Trade Ideas Thread

[hugepatsfan]

Posted this in the main forum. Deal would need to be expanded with CHI sending Satoransky to a 3rd team but this is the part that affects us:

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward (opt in)
BOS gets: F Thaddeus Young, C Wendell Carter Jr., C Cristiano Felicio (waived and stretched).

Hayward's option is for $34.2M. Young makes about $13.5M, $5.5M for WCJ an then Felicio's dead cap hit would be about $2.5M if we stretched him. That's a combined $21.5M. So we lower our '20-21 cap sheet by about $12.7M.

Young isn't anything special, but he's a quality player as a stretch 4. He can shoot the ball a bit and he defends well. Not a playmaker like Hayward but can keep the ball moving.

WCJ is a young center that's been at 10.8 points/8.2 rebounds for his career (11.3/9.4 last year). Drew comparisons to Horford coming out. Hasn't found his shot yet but he can defend and pass to go along with the rebounds.

Felicio is dead weight, hence us waiving him.

This would set us up with a rotation of:

Kemba
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Langford
Young / G. Williams
Theis / WCJ / Kanter / R. Williams

Obviously we are heavy at the center position. So Kanter's $5M expiring salary would be moved for a comparable player at another spot. Find someone who wants to swap a guard for a big at a nuetral salary amount.

Makes us a worse team. I get it. But it gets us below the luxury tax, replaces Hayward with a quality NBA player in Young (albeit a big downgrade), and adds a quality young center in WCJ who fits the scheme well IMO. Accomplishes some things for us. If ownership won't sign off on paying to keep Hayward long term seems like this would be doing well to make the most of it.

[bucknersrevenge]

If we have to move him I say why not to Indy with maybe Rob Williams for Turner, Dougie McBuckets, and TJ McConnell. McConnell gets waived. Doug's contract is up after next season. Meanwhile, we replace Hayward with a rim protector appropriately price who spaces and a bench shooter.

[hugepatsfan]

If we have to move him I say why not to Indy with maybe Rob Williams for Turner, Dougie McBuckets, and TJ McConnell. McConnell gets waived. Doug's contract is up after next season. Meanwhile, we replace Hayward with a rim protector appropriately price who spaces and a bench shooter.

Turner is a DPOY type defender who can guard 4s and 5s. Sabonis is a defensive turnstyle who can't guard either. Sabonis is crucial for them IMO. He spreads the floor so he can play with Sabonis on offense and then on defense he's an elite player at either front court spot which lets them hide Sabonis on whatever is the easier matchup. It's a crucial part of how they hide him on that end. I just don't think they can afford to give up Turner's defense for Hayward.

I do think the Hayward to IND this is legit and could happen. If they lose Oladipo next offseaon to New York or Miami they'd be able to open up cap space to sign Hayward as a replacement.

The only scenario where I see Turner for Hayward as realistic is this.

1) Hayward opts out and re-signs with us on the type of multi-year deal I've suggested
2) Oladipo plays out next year in IND and then walks

Then, a year from now in the '21 offseason, I could see it. IND would need offensive shot creation at that point and maybe they view that as a bigger need than Turner's defense. So at that point the deal might make sense for them. But I don't see it now.

[captain green]

I like some of these Orlando trade ideas so I'll elaborate on a deal with them and then a deal with spurs. Hayward, poirer, langford, Edwards our 17 and 26 for Fournier, fultz, amino, and mo.
Just a different spin on the Orlando deals. It works in trade checker.

The same output Hayward, langford, poirer, Edwards 17, 26, 30 for Aldridge, gay, metu, and San Antonio's 1st round pick and a future 1st 21. We let go gay after he expires. Sign Aldridge to a decent deal the real prize is the picks.

[Parliament10]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

[captain green]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

I'd do that instantly.

[Floody100]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

I’d love Turner here but I’d like to see how Rob goes in the playoffs before we ever thought of going that trade.

[Darthlukey]

Posted this in the main forum. Deal would need to be expanded with CHI sending Satoransky to a 3rd team but this is the part that affects us:

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward (opt in)
BOS gets: F Thaddeus Young, C Wendell Carter Jr., C Cristiano Felicio (waived and stretched).

Hayward's option is for $34.2M. Young makes about $13.5M, $5.5M for WCJ an then Felicio's dead cap hit would be about $2.5M if we stretched him. That's a combined $21.5M. So we lower our '20-21 cap sheet by about $12.7M.

Young isn't anything special, but he's a quality player as a stretch 4. He can shoot the ball a bit and he defends well. Not a playmaker like Hayward but can keep the ball moving.

WCJ is a young center that's been at 10.8 points/8.2 rebounds for his career (11.3/9.4 last year). Drew comparisons to Horford coming out. Hasn't found his shot yet but he can defend and pass to go along with the rebounds.

Felicio is dead weight, hence us waiving him.

This would set us up with a rotation of:

Kemba
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Langford
Young / G. Williams
Theis / WCJ / Kanter / R. Williams

Obviously we are heavy at the center position. So Kanter's $5M expiring salary would be moved for a comparable player at another spot. Find someone who wants to swap a guard for a big at a nuetral salary amount.

Makes us a worse team. I get it. But it gets us below the luxury tax, replaces Hayward with a quality NBA player in Young (albeit a big downgrade), and adds a quality young center in WCJ who fits the scheme well IMO. Accomplishes some things for us. If ownership won't sign off on paying to keep Hayward long term seems like this would be doing well to make the most of it.

Boston wins that trade, 10 times out of 10. WCJ is a stud and I suspect it would take something significant to pry WCJ away from the Bulls

[Darthlukey]

I like some of these Orlando trade ideas so I'll elaborate on a deal with them and then a deal with spurs. Hayward, poirer, langford, Edwards our 17 and 26 for Fournier, fultz, amino, and mo.
Just a different spin on the Orlando deals. It works in trade checker.

The same output Hayward, langford, poirer, Edwards 17, 26, 30 for Aldridge, gay, metu, and San Antonio's 1st round pick and a future 1st 21. We let go gay after he expires. Sign Aldridge to a decent deal the real prize is the picks.

Why do you do the Orlando deal? Aside from some upside in Mo, I dont see the appeal at all?

[Darthlukey]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

I would just about lose it (with joy) if that deal happened, but cant see the Pacers agreeing to it

[hugepatsfan]

I've posted lots of Hayward trade ideas but someone had a post in the trades/transactions forum where I responded by summarizing where I thought a Hayward trade makes sense. Figured I'd post here too:

The only reason for Boston to move Hayward would be to save money. With him at his current rate we'll be at the tax in '20-21 and then if we re-sign him next year we'll be tax in '21-22 and '22-23, so repeater rates that last year. If ownership won't sign off on that Ainge can go one of three ways.

1) Offer Hayward a deal that overpays him enough overall that it's worth opting out for but lowers his salary enough in '20-21 that Boston can still get under the tax. Example: A 3 year, $87.5M deal adds 2 years and $53.3M to his current deal but would lower his salary from $34.2M to $27M. Would Hayward want to lock in future money like that now? Back in 2010 the Celtics did this concept with Pierce for tax reasons. Hayward's deal might be too big to do this with though since it's so much money to opt out of.

2) He can just let Hayward play out the year and then walk. Boston can reset the tax next year. They project to have about $20M to spend under the tax if they let Hayward go, subject to be lowered by any lingering COVID impact. That's enough to re-sign Theis if they want and then go for a full MLE player. The downside here is that you'll still be somewhat limited with trades since you won't be able to take back too much salary even if the opportunity presents itself.

3) He can bite the bullet and trade him in a cost cutting move now. That rips the bandaid off so you don't have to worry later. If you re-set it this year, you can still get back a quality player for him even if it's a downgrade. And then you won't have to worry about the repeater tax since even if over in '21-22 and '22-23 you'll have Kemba's deal expire before you go over a third time and have to pay repeater rates. You take the short term hit now so you have all the flexibility you want later.

[captain green]

I like some of these Orlando trade ideas so I'll elaborate on a deal with them and then a deal with spurs. Hayward, poirer, langford, Edwards our 17 and 26 for Fournier, fultz, amino, and mo.
Just a different spin on the Orlando deals. It works in trade checker.

The same output Hayward, langford, poirer, Edwards 17, 26, 30 for Aldridge, gay, metu, and San Antonio's 1st round pick and a future 1st 21. We let go gay after he expires. Sign Aldridge to a decent deal the real prize is the picks.

Why do you do the Orlando deal? Aside from some upside in Mo, I dont see the appeal at all?

To me getting fultz and MO is huge but I also like amino's defense and Fournier is absolutely great scorer plus imo it makes the roster better or rather more even.

[hugepatsfan]

I like some of these Orlando trade ideas so I'll elaborate on a deal with them and then a deal with spurs. Hayward, poirer, langford, Edwards our 17 and 26 for Fournier, fultz, amino, and mo.
Just a different spin on the Orlando deals. It works in trade checker.

The same output Hayward, langford, poirer, Edwards 17, 26, 30 for Aldridge, gay, metu, and San Antonio's 1st round pick and a future 1st 21. We let go gay after he expires. Sign Aldridge to a decent deal the real prize is the picks.

Why do you do the Orlando deal? Aside from some upside in Mo, I dont see the appeal at all?

To me getting fultz and MO is huge but I also like amino's defense and Fournier is absolutely great scorer plus imo it makes the roster better or rather more even.

Magic right now seem to be "stuck on the treadmill" of being an 8 seed. Reading up on them and talking to fans, it seems the team is banking on Fultz, Isaac, Bamba as the players with upside still to tap into and hopefully raise that ceiling. Hayward would help Orlando for sure, be he doesn't really raise their ceiling. So I can't see them giving up one, much less two, of their "untapped upside" players for him on a 1 year deal.

If we're dealing with Orlando I think Gordon, Vucevic, Fournier, Aminu, Ross, Birch are the guys in play. All useful and would help our rotation, but nothing special.

[Parliament10]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

I would just about lose it (with joy) if that deal happened, but cant see the Pacers agreeing to it

Can we just do Hayward for Turner, straight up, and take a Big TPE?

[Darthlukey]

What about?

Turner & Lamb = Hayward

Pacers aren't doing well with Turner & Sabonis.

I would just about lose it (with joy) if that deal happened, but cant see the Pacers agreeing to it

Can we just do Hayward for Turner, straight up, and take a Big TPE?

That would be great too, depends if Pacers want to unload Lamb or not I suppose

[Parliament10]

I would just about lose it (with joy) if that deal happened, but cant see the Pacers agreeing to it

Can we just do Hayward for Turner, straight up, and take a Big TPE?

That would be great too, depends if Pacers want to unload Lamb or not I suppose

Yeah. I'm starting to like this idea. We just take back a big TPE, and hang onto it for a year, or use it as needed.
Add some Future Picks, and we'll be golden.

Hayward = Turner + TPE.

[Darthlukey]

Can we just do Hayward for Turner, straight up, and take a Big TPE?

That would be great too, depends if Pacers want to unload Lamb or not I suppose

Yeah. I'm starting to like this idea. We just take back a big TPE, and hang onto it for a year, or use it as needed.
Add some Future Picks, and we'll be golden.

Hayward = Turner + TPE.

Can the pacers take back the salary? I have no idea what their cap position is like

[SMTBSI]

That would be great too, depends if Pacers want to unload Lamb or not I suppose

Yeah. I'm starting to like this idea. We just take back a big TPE, and hang onto it for a year, or use it as needed.
Add some Future Picks, and we'll be golden.

Hayward = Turner + TPE.

Can the pacers take back the salary? I have no idea what their cap position is like

Based on Smitty's sheets, they're over the cap next year even declining all options and holds. [1]

So, they can't do Hayward for Turner straight up. Have to match salaries.

[ddb]

That would be great too, depends if Pacers want to unload Lamb or not I suppose

Yeah. I'm starting to like this idea. We just take back a big TPE, and hang onto it for a year, or use it as needed.
Add some Future Picks, and we'll be golden.

Hayward = Turner + TPE.

Can the pacers take back the salary? I have no idea what their cap position is like

would have to be more then just Turner. Also, let's leave poor Gordon alone. He's been really good this season and I feel strongly that his best is yet to come. To me, Hayward is the ultimate complimentary star that this team needs. He does everything well but doesn't need to be "the guy". Yes, it stinks that he's paid so much, but for now it isn't an issue. Won't be an issue next season either. Beyond that let's see what he does and if he's in the plans.

[Captain_Caveman]

For my money, the truth if it is that we are as good we are are going to get without an MVP-caliber player on the roster.