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ConstableGeneva wrote:Mo Bamba reclamation project. Close with Tatum and has that Drew Hanlen connection. There's reporting that Magic don't plan on keeping him.
djFan71 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Mo Bamba reclamation project. Close with Tatum and has that Drew Hanlen connection. There's reporting that Magic don't plan on keeping him.
I saw that too, but RFA makes it tough. Don't wanna hard cap ourselves for him in an S&T.
sam_I_am wrote:djFan71 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Mo Bamba reclamation project. Close with Tatum and has that Drew Hanlen connection. There's reporting that Magic don't plan on keeping him.
I saw that too, but RFA makes it tough. Don't wanna hard cap ourselves for him in an S&T.
I think he is exactly the kind of signing we need. Al, Theis, Grant and RW have the position locked down but if we can add a developmental big with major upside it could pay dividends down the road. Maybe he costs too much or maybe there is a better prospect out there but I like his size and length and ability to provide a little of what RW brings.
Very good chance Orlando relinquishes his rights. By doing so they can free up 28 million in cap space.
AgentGreen wrote:Horford trade was a homerun. No way Ainge would've done that, he would've waited for the next big player(i.e. Beal) and probably delayed the oppertunity for another good playoff run for this core.
Brad has brought some new fresh air to this organisation as a GM. His strategy for not holding on to draftpicks is so unorthodox compared to the Ainge era. I like how he thinks about trading picks for a player who has already proven to be a contributor in this league, which your potential draftpick wont guarantee, i.e. Yabusele, Langford and Nesmith still needs to prove. Plus he understands that we don't want to waste more time to develop more players, but that it is time to go for it with this core.
hugepatsfan wrote:I just hope Brad operates with a sense of urgency this offseason. Window to win is now. If we fall short this year, all the more reason to go all out. If we win, balls to the wall for back to back. I don't want to hear about how we have any long future with Tatum and Brown yadda yadda yadda. No guarantee they stay healthy and happy to play with each other. They could leave even if we win 3 titles in a row. Whatever financial limits ownership allows you to go to, maximize the talent you can acquire under it.
hugepatsfan wrote:I just hope Brad operates with a sense of urgency this offseason. Window to win is now. If we fall short this year, all the more reason to go all out. If we win, balls to the wall for back to back. I don't want to hear about how we have any long future with Tatum and Brown yadda yadda yadda. No guarantee they stay healthy and happy to play with each other. They could leave even if we win 3 titles in a row. Whatever financial limits ownership allows you to go to, maximize the talent you can acquire under it.
themoneyteam2 wrote:Getting rid of Nesmith and trying to trick a team that he still has value is a good first step this offseason
CelticFaninLBC wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:I just hope Brad operates with a sense of urgency this offseason. Window to win is now. If we fall short this year, all the more reason to go all out. If we win, balls to the wall for back to back. I don't want to hear about how we have any long future with Tatum and Brown yadda yadda yadda. No guarantee they stay healthy and happy to play with each other. They could leave even if we win 3 titles in a row. Whatever financial limits ownership allows you to go to, maximize the talent you can acquire under it.
Hopefully, ownership is finally willing to go into the luxury tax. If yes, can see Steven moving the $17m TPE, the 2023 & 2025 FRP's and potentially PP and/or Nesmith for Horford's future replacement, and then using the the $6.3m taxpayer MLE on a veteran bench player looking for a ring.
Will be very surprised if any of the top 7 (Tatum, Brown, Smart, Rob, Horford, Grant and White) are moved.
hugepatsfan wrote:I still like Kevin Huerter a LOT for this team with that TPE. That's a guy who can bring strong shooting and some ball handling off the bench. He'll be a guy teams hunt on defense like they do Pritchard, but at 6'7" he can contest better. Whenever Tatum goes to the bench and we play Jaylen at the 3, I always feel like we're playing fire because not sure the combo of Smart/White gives us enough secondary scoring or floor spacing. When you put Pritchard in there it helps, but leaves you vulnerable on defense and he's still pretty limited overall on offense. I look at it as there are 48 minutes each at PG/SG/SF. So 144 minutes total. In a playoff rotation, you can allocate those minutes as:
Tatum - 36
Brown - 36
Smart - 32
White - 20
Huerter - 20
CelticFaninLBC wrote:If Ayton becomes available, should Stevens try dealing for him?
This article mentions thr idea of Rob Williams, Derrick White and Nesmith for Ayton.
hugepatsfan wrote:Yeah the TPE can't be "moved" or combined. It just allows us to take back a player making $17M without worrying about outgoing salary. Taking back that much salary sets up for an EXTREMELY expensive tax bill next year if Horford is back. But the longer term payroll can accommodate a player in that range with a reasonable luxury tax number if we add a player in that range on a multi year deal. Because of the rising salary cap/tax line and Horford's deal expiring we have good flexibility moving forward. You can allocate Horford's current salary slot into a multi year contract acquired through the TPE and Grant's extension. if Horford is worth hanging onto a few more years and needs more than the minimum, then you probably gotta dump Theis for a vet min big. Which honestly... whatever. Not the end of the world. If Horford himself is coming back for more than the minimum than obviously he's at a level where you feel good about Horford/Grant/Rob being the bulk of your playoff big rotation.
I still like Kevin Huerter a LOT for this team with that TPE. That's a guy who can bring strong shooting and some ball handling off the bench. He'll be a guy teams hunt on defense like they do Pritchard, but at 6'7" he can contest better. Whenever Tatum goes to the bench and we play Jaylen at the 3, I always feel like we're playing fire because not sure the combo of Smart/White gives us enough secondary scoring or floor spacing. When you put Pritchard in there it helps, but leaves you vulnerable on defense and he's still pretty limited overall on offense. I look at it as there are 48 minutes each at PG/SG/SF. So 144 minutes total. In a playoff rotation, you can allocate those minutes as:
Tatum - 36
Brown - 36
Smart - 32
White - 20
Huerter - 20
Any minutes you want to play small with Tatum at the 4 you can add some minutes to the other guys, But Huerter fits beautifully there to me. Can be hidden within the defensive scheme and hold his own but brings big time shooting and secondary playmaking. Could be a great complimentary piece. I don't think ATL would look to move him directly, but I think you could get him in a multi team scenario...
ATL gives: Huerter, maybe some assets
ATL gets: player they like better than Huerter
BOS gives: 2023 pick
BOS gets: Huerter (into TPE)
Team X gives: player ATL likes better than Huerter
Team X gets: 2023 BOS pick, maybe some assets from ATL
Idea here is that 'Team X' prefers salary relief and a BOS pick to Huerter. The caliber of player determines whether ATL sends an asset with Huerter or not. For instance I could see ATL sending Huerter and #16 to DET for Jerami Grant but the Pistons preferring another pick to Huerter since they're rebuilding and want to use cap space on maybe guys like Mitch Robinson or Collin Sexton. Just throwing out an example.
If you want to go with a more limited player, someone like Alec Burks makes a lot of sense. His salary is only $10M and he's got a 2nd year team option. So more favorable than Huerter's 4 year deal, but a more limited player and a guy in his 30s. Still, he's a good 3 point shooter on high volume (40% on 5 attempts/game the last 3 years, no full season lower than 39%). NYK actually played him at PG some so you get a little playmaking versatility there as well. Solid enough defender and good size at 6'6" too. Likely looking at salary relief and 2nd rounder(s) so should be inexpensive to acquire.
165bows wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Yeah the TPE can't be "moved" or combined. It just allows us to take back a player making $17M without worrying about outgoing salary. Taking back that much salary sets up for an EXTREMELY expensive tax bill next year if Horford is back. But the longer term payroll can accommodate a player in that range with a reasonable luxury tax number if we add a player in that range on a multi year deal. Because of the rising salary cap/tax line and Horford's deal expiring we have good flexibility moving forward. You can allocate Horford's current salary slot into a multi year contract acquired through the TPE and Grant's extension. if Horford is worth hanging onto a few more years and needs more than the minimum, then you probably gotta dump Theis for a vet min big. Which honestly... whatever. Not the end of the world. If Horford himself is coming back for more than the minimum than obviously he's at a level where you feel good about Horford/Grant/Rob being the bulk of your playoff big rotation.
I still like Kevin Huerter a LOT for this team with that TPE. That's a guy who can bring strong shooting and some ball handling off the bench. He'll be a guy teams hunt on defense like they do Pritchard, but at 6'7" he can contest better. Whenever Tatum goes to the bench and we play Jaylen at the 3, I always feel like we're playing fire because not sure the combo of Smart/White gives us enough secondary scoring or floor spacing. When you put Pritchard in there it helps, but leaves you vulnerable on defense and he's still pretty limited overall on offense. I look at it as there are 48 minutes each at PG/SG/SF. So 144 minutes total. In a playoff rotation, you can allocate those minutes as:
Tatum - 36
Brown - 36
Smart - 32
White - 20
Huerter - 20
Any minutes you want to play small with Tatum at the 4 you can add some minutes to the other guys, But Huerter fits beautifully there to me. Can be hidden within the defensive scheme and hold his own but brings big time shooting and secondary playmaking. Could be a great complimentary piece. I don't think ATL would look to move him directly, but I think you could get him in a multi team scenario...
ATL gives: Huerter, maybe some assets
ATL gets: player they like better than Huerter
BOS gives: 2023 pick
BOS gets: Huerter (into TPE)
Team X gives: player ATL likes better than Huerter
Team X gets: 2023 BOS pick, maybe some assets from ATL
Idea here is that 'Team X' prefers salary relief and a BOS pick to Huerter. The caliber of player determines whether ATL sends an asset with Huerter or not. For instance I could see ATL sending Huerter and #16 to DET for Jerami Grant but the Pistons preferring another pick to Huerter since they're rebuilding and want to use cap space on maybe guys like Mitch Robinson or Collin Sexton. Just throwing out an example.
If you want to go with a more limited player, someone like Alec Burks makes a lot of sense. His salary is only $10M and he's got a 2nd year team option. So more favorable than Huerter's 4 year deal, but a more limited player and a guy in his 30s. Still, he's a good 3 point shooter on high volume (40% on 5 attempts/game the last 3 years, no full season lower than 39%). NYK actually played him at PG some so you get a little playmaking versatility there as well. Solid enough defender and good size at 6'6" too. Likely looking at salary relief and 2nd rounder(s) so should be inexpensive to acquire.
If NY starts dumping salary I’d take a flier on Obi Toppin.