2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[playa-hater]

2 day draft is so dumb. Nobody will tune Thursday afternoon to watch round 2

I will be out But checking my Phone.. does that count?

[djFan71]

2 day draft is so dumb. Nobody will tune Thursday afternoon to watch round 2

I will be out But checking my Phone.. do that count?

Assuming you haven't thrown it against the wall and broken it after Brad trades 30 for 42 and a 2029 2nd from Charlotte.

[brackdan70]

2 day draft is so dumb. Nobody will tune Thursday afternoon to watch round 2

I will be out But checking my Phone.. do that count?

I’ll watch until 54.

[redslastlaugh]

Sam Vecenie of the Atletic, full two round mock draft cross posted to NY Times website and available to read for free (for me anyway, I’m not a subscriber to NYT or the athletic)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5581150/2024/06/25/nba-mock-draft-2024-hawks-pick/

[keevsnick1]

First round picks get stashed all the time.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's happened since like 2016..

Also, just because the highest drafted player last year to get a 2-way contract was 41st pick, doesn't mean you can't draft someone at like 38 or 35 and give them a 2-way.

I could be wrong, but any 2nd round pick can get a 2-way but 1st rounders all get a guaranteed contract (unless they're stashed).

And it's not like there is any significant difference between picking a guy at 40 or 41 anyways.

IMO, most years the entire 20-50 range is pretty fluid, with not a ton of separation between those players..

Every draft has guys in the lottery who are busts (Langford, Papagiannis, Johnny Davis, etc.), every draft has guys in the late 1st round who are busts (Poku, Tre Mann, Kai Jones, Patrick Baldwin Jr, Udoka Azuibuke, Usman Garuba, etc.) and others in the late 1st round who hit (Derrick White, Bane, Jimmy Butler, Jaden Mcdaniels).

Every draft has guys in the early 2nd round who hit (Andrew Nembhard, Hartenstein, Daniel Gafford< Nix Claxton) and others in the early 2nd round who miss (Joe Wieskamp, Carsen Edwards, Jared Butler, Bruno Fernando, Isiah Todd, KZ Okpala)..each draft has mid 2nd round guys who hit (Jokic, GG Jackson, Vince Williams, Dillon Brooks, Deanthony Melton) and others that miss (Madar, Begarin, Ryan Rollins, Greg Brown, Sharife Cooper).

Every draft has guys in the late 2nd round who hit (Paul Reed, Ginobili, Monte Morris) and late 2nd round guys who miss (JD Davison, Tyrese Martin).

There's lots of UDFA hits (Strus, Hauser, Duncan Robinson, Austin Reaves, TJ McConnell, Caleb Martin, Fred VanVleet, Naz Reid, etc.) but there's even more misses (Vincent Valderio-Bodon, Gabe Brown, Jules Bernard, Justin Champagnie, Donovan Williams, Trevion Williams, Taylor Funk, etc.)

There's hits and misses all over the draft. The key is to scout well and develop players well. Of course, the later in the draft, the lower the odds are of the pick "hitting". Sure, you have higher odds of drafting a good player at 32 rather than 42 (or at 30, rather than 36) but it generally it seems like having a pick a few spots higher (that late in the draft) doesn't make *that* much of a difference in terms of talent for it to be worth the cost of drafting that much higher (especially for contending teams) which is why teams (especially contenders) often look to trade back, acquiring additional assets/picks along the way, which can be used as trade bait later down the line.

And again, most drafts the 20-50 range, there isn't a whole lot of separation between those players anyways.

All of this stuff makes covering/discussing the draft a lot of fun

This is true, but there's a difference between between what you are allowed to do and what you can actually do. Guys drafted in the 30's just don't typically take two ways becasue those are worse for the player, when you draft at guy at 35 its sort of understood that he's getting a guaranteed deal.

Also although there isn't a ton of difference between the value of say 25 to 35, or 30 to 30, or 30 to 40, there is some. Its just not worth saving a tiny amount of money to move back 5-10 spots if that's your only reason.

Simply put, trade back if you get good value. Move up if you get great value. Stay at 30 if you don't. The contracts of those picks should be only a very minor consideration, not a driving force behind a trade.

[keevsnick1]

Sam Vecenie of the Atletic, full two round mock draft cross posted to NY Times website and available to read for free (for me anyway, I’m not a subscriber to NYT or the athletic)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5581150/2024/06/25/nba-mock-draft-2024-hawks-pick/

I'd by happy with Tyler Smith, feel like that's a good upside swing.

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Who might we draft at 30?

Maybe this guy.

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[Dogen]

First round picks get stashed all the time.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's happened since like 2016..

Ya, it doesn't happen often. But to be honest the C's should not be draft and stashing someone this year anyway regardless of draft position. Draft and stashes are usually highly speculative flyer type guys, Celtics should be aiming higher than that in this draft.

The C's have enough room on their roster for another young developmental guy to join Walsh and Springer.

Out of the two picks, one stash would be OK, but I agree that sometimes you just gotta draft a player and add him to the roster. The Celtics have been drafting and stashing the past few years and the developmental pipeline is pretty robust already.

Also, I think some of these stashes go "stale" after a few years. Like Yam Madar. I don't expect he will ever play for the Celtics at this point. Maybe, but there's already new kids on the block.

So basically, if Brad trades back into second round, I wouldn't mind 2 more high potential guys that can come in as 2-Way players to fill those roles, but if there is a guy there at 30 that the team really likes, it's perfectly OK to just sign him and put him on the roster and say "we want this guy on our roster now, we think he will be able to contribute".

I understand there are a lot of implications when you already are over the cap, but not every rookie deal has to be a penny pincher for the team. Those guys signing extensions (Tatum, White) should be open to making team friendly contracts for an organization that helped them get a ring -- so the team can pay a little extra for role players -- amounting to a pittance for the big stars.

[Dogen]

Sam Vecenie of the Atletic, full two round mock draft cross posted to NY Times website and available to read for free (for me anyway, I’m not a subscriber to NYT or the athletic)

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5581150/2024/06/25/nba-mock-draft-2024-hawks-pick/

I'd by happy with Tyler Smith, feel like that's a good upside swing.

Smith seems like one of those guys that the Celtics will pass on ... and I'll be biting my nails when he goes off against our bench.

[phincsfan]

CBS sports has Ware falling to day 2. That would be a nice surprise at 30 if he was there.

[Dogen]

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Who might we draft at 30?

Maybe this guy.

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Baylor Scheierman would be perfectly legit pick. Not the greatest upside perhaps, but he seems like a guy that could fit right in, and be Hauser insurance. Maybe better than Hauser in a year or so.

[Dogen]

CBS sports has Ware falling to day 2. That would be a nice surprise at 30 if he was there.

Wow, but that would mean he doesn't fall to day two if he's there at 30. Would Celtics let him slip past? He'd be a nice stretch 5 to bring along.

Maybe they pick at 30 for someone else and pick him up in early second?

[phincsfan]

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Who might we draft at 30?

Maybe this guy.

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Baylor Scheierman would be perfectly legit pick. Not the greatest upside perhaps, but he seems like a guy that could fit right in, and be Hauser insurance. Maybe better than Hauser in a year or so.

He has Knicks written all over him IMO. I'd be happy if he was there at 30 though.

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Gary Washburn's tweet is a little unclear.

At 3:30ish in the press conference- What Brad Stevens said was that if the right person is there at 30, they'll take him. But if there's more than one right guy at 30 they'll see what their options (for trading down) are and what flexibility they have.
In other words, if they can get the same value in the early second round they'd look into doing that.

He did say he anticipated picking a couple of picks, but didn't say they'd be numbers 30 and 54.


On another topic, as far as the young end of benchers- They're developing them, not letting them go.
At 17:30ish in the press conference- Brad said, "We've got a lot of guys who didn't play much. How do we ramp them up for the long haul?" Then he specifically mentions Springer, Walsh, and "Neemy." "They haven't really been through the demands of a season when they did play."
So he wants these guys to be ready for the rigors of a bigger role if it's appropriate.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

May have been posted in the thread but Bill Simmons say, I think he was half joking, Boston should draft Bronny James and hold him hostage on the Celtics bench lol.

[hugepatsfan]

If the team really plans on extenting all of Tatum/White/Hauser, then the obvious long term need here is for big men to eventually replace Horford whenever he retires and maybe even Porzingis because he'll be a 30 year old free agent with long injury history in 2 years.

As it relates to big man prospects... I don't think this team is really set up to benefit from rim runner types. I know everyone loved playing Rob and he produced some highlight reel dunks, but I just don't feel running the P&R with a big man rolling to the rim is Tatum or Brown's game and they're going to be our top guys for the foreseeable future. Rim running bigs usually INVITE congested areas for your ball handler and that's something both of those guys struggle with. It's kind of a bad skill set match.

Offensively, I don't think I really want a center to do more than Horford did during this playoff run. Just sit out at the 3 point line and space the floor. I wouldn't really try for one of those super freak athlete types like Lively or whatever. I'd look for someone who can function well on defense (whether that's drop coverage like we do with Porzingis or switching like we do with Horford) and then see if there's potential to develop as a shooter.

Any other offensive skill is a nice boost, though the post up threat of Porzingis would be nice to replicate long-term. Getting a big who can shoot and be a post up threat is tough though. The dynamic Porzingis brings to our offense with that combo isn't something I'd count on being able to replace post-Porzingis. Treasure it while we have it and hope he stays healthy. For longer term replacements, I'd focus on trying to find defensive ability and spot up shooting.

[Celts17Pride]

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Gary Washburn's tweet is a little unclear.

At 3:30ish in the press conference- What Brad Stevens said was that if the right person is there at 30, they'll take him. But if there's more than one right guy at 30 they'll see what their options (for trading down) are and what flexibility they have.
In other words, if they can get the same value in the early second round they'd look into doing that.

He did say he anticipated picking a couple of picks, but didn't say they'd be numbers 30 and 54.


On another topic, as far as the young end of benchers- They're developing them, not letting them go.
At 17:30ish in the press conference- Brad said, "We've got a lot of guys who didn't play much. How do we ramp them up for the long haul?" Then he specifically mentions Springer, Walsh, and "Neemy." "They haven't really been through the demands of a season when they did play."
So he wants these guys to be ready for the rigors of a bigger role if it's appropriate.

Yeah, I listened to the interview. Sounds like the Celtics have several players they are interested in picking and if they all are still there at 30 they will look to trade down and pick them later.

[165bows]

What time is the 30th pick? Can’t wait to stay up late to see who they pick, then later find out they traded that guy and are making their picks on day two.

[Dogen]

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Gary Washburn's tweet is a little unclear.

At 3:30ish in the press conference- What Brad Stevens said was that if the right person is there at 30, they'll take him. But if there's more than one right guy at 30 they'll see what their options (for trading down) are and what flexibility they have.
In other words, if they can get the same value in the early second round they'd look into doing that.

He did say he anticipated picking a couple of picks, but didn't say they'd be numbers 30 and 54.


On another topic, as far as the young end of benchers- They're developing them, not letting them go.
At 17:30ish in the press conference- Brad said, "We've got a lot of guys who didn't play much. How do we ramp them up for the long haul?" Then he specifically mentions Springer, Walsh, and "Neemy." "They haven't really been through the demands of a season when they did play."
So he wants these guys to be ready for the rigors of a bigger role if it's appropriate.

Yeah, I listened to the interview. Sounds like the Celtics have several players they are interested in picking and if they all are still there at 30 they will look to trade down and pick them later.

Yes, it sounds like they may make the picks, but Brad even more concerned about bringing last year's crop further along. It's one thing to draft new talent, but getting guys on board with team expectations and focused on the trials and tribulations of being ready at all times for another championship run is even more paramount. I'm glad to hear Brad mention Walsh, Springer and Queta specifically. The team will benefit from one more player in the draft to bring along with those guys, not to replace them.

[Celts17Pride]

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