Welcome to Boston, Baylor Scheierman!

[phincsfan]

I rewatched the Jays/Vols sweet 16 game to see how the dirty blonde battle went between Rico and Knecht. Rico's a big kid and he played the whole game in the face of Knecht. He shadowed him the whole game and did a very good job. He's a player that the NBA spacing game is perfect for.
The big C gave Pritchard the opportunity to play practically every game with heavy minutes. He leapfrogged Nesmith because he had a clue. Rico has a clue and his game can translate to the NBA game.

[playa-hater]

I see no issues playing both Hauser and Scheierman at the same time. Even for the long term. Assuming Scheierman can beat out Walsh, Springer and X for minutes. You have the basic 8 man rotation of:

Jrue, White, Pritchard
JT, JB, Hauser
Horford, KP

Then X, Springer, Walsh, Scheierman fight it out for the 9th & 10th spot minutes in the regular season. With KP out, Queta or Kornet or X get the main non-Horford minutes - but not full KP replacement minutes. You'd only go single big for the most part - maybe X with Al some. That frees up more time for those guys to fight over. And, you probably go 10 deep while KP is out.

One of those guys will emerge and you have a really solid 9-man with KP back:

Jrue, White, Pritchard
JT, JB, Hauser, <Battle Royale Winner>
Horford, KP

If Scheierman is the guy who emerges, that lineup still works great.

If things go great and two emerge, Pritchard is the next one they have to surpass. You just need to have at least one of Jrue, White, JT out there for ball handling. Or point JB if you like.

Hauser would be next to beat out. So, you'd have to really have 2-3 of X, Baylor, Springer or Walsh surpass Pritchard, then him in order to have any kind of issue. And it would be a good issue to have. And that's assuming Al and KP are around and playing. With less time from them, there's even more time before Hauser gets ousted.

Not only do I think Hauser and Baylor can play together but think they would excel better than any other Bench Combo. The shooting and hopeful some nice play-making from Baylor make that a ridiculously hard lineup to defend. Add PP and the Lanes will be wider than most freeways.


** on the Furphy to Scheierman debate, it is pretty clear Stevens didn't consider drafting him since he didn't work him out. Wondering if it was because he was expected to be gone much earlier. Whatever I am very pumped about the 2024 "Chris Mullin" we got.

[Fencer reregistered]

People are over analyzing this pick way too much in here

Baylor is a baller, and provides wing size while being a deadly accurate 3pnt shooter. Every team wants and needs those types of players. You can never have too many of them.

I think we all can agree we won't have the $$ to bring Hauser back after this run, so having another wing that can step in and contribute will be huge. Injuries also happen, and will our guys playing in the olympics, I expect us to rest the team a little more than usual this next year. They've played a lot of basketball.

We talk alot about older prospects vs young, and one thing a lot of people overlook is the years you have them under contract for cheap. A prospect, you might get 1 good year, and then have to guess what they will do in their prime and pay them off of that. For these guys that are older you are essentially getting their entire early prime, and paying them off of how they are contributing right now. Much better value especially if the upperclassman works out.

I think the Big East was a solid conference this year, and going through his game log and tape we can see what type of player he will be against NBA defenses.

18-9-5 against ORG in the tourney, bad shooting, but hit his 3's
18-8-6 against Nova
26-16-4 against MARQ
12-7-6 blowout win against UConn
20-6-9 against ALB

The dude played well in all of their high end games, and effected the game in other aspects. I like that he played well against teams that are well coached, and against teams with legit size. The assists are the thing that stands out the most when looking at his boxscore. 9 games of 6+ assists on the year is no joke, and shows the difference between him and other shooters. He's a smart offensive player that plays within the flow of the game, which is exactly what this team needs. 11 games with 4+ 3's made too.

If he can learn to play defense like Hauser, or just within the team, I think this kid can be a let guy to crack the rotation, and be in the 8 man.

And we'll have him signed for pennies through the entirety of his prime, which is are window to compete. That is awesome.

He reminds me a lot of Herro (Best Case) and Marco Beleneli (Middle case). We'll see if he can develop those passing and rebounding skills at the next level, or if he just becomes a specialist.

No, we can't all agree on that.

[shi-woo]

People are over analyzing this pick way too much in here

Baylor is a baller, and provides wing size while being a deadly accurate 3pnt shooter. Every team wants and needs those types of players. You can never have too many of them.

I think we all can agree we won't have the $$ to bring Hauser back after this run, so having another wing that can step in and contribute will be huge. Injuries also happen, and will our guys playing in the olympics, I expect us to rest the team a little more than usual this next year. They've played a lot of basketball.

We talk alot about older prospects vs young, and one thing a lot of people overlook is the years you have them under contract for cheap. A prospect, you might get 1 good year, and then have to guess what they will do in their prime and pay them off of that. For these guys that are older you are essentially getting their entire early prime, and paying them off of how they are contributing right now. Much better value especially if the upperclassman works out.

I think the Big East was a solid conference this year, and going through his game log and tape we can see what type of player he will be against NBA defenses.

18-9-5 against ORG in the tourney, bad shooting, but hit his 3's
18-8-6 against Nova
26-16-4 against MARQ
12-7-6 blowout win against UConn
20-6-9 against ALB

The dude played well in all of their high end games, and effected the game in other aspects. I like that he played well against teams that are well coached, and against teams with legit size. The assists are the thing that stands out the most when looking at his boxscore. 9 games of 6+ assists on the year is no joke, and shows the difference between him and other shooters. He's a smart offensive player that plays within the flow of the game, which is exactly what this team needs. 11 games with 4+ 3's made too.

If he can learn to play defense like Hauser, or just within the team, I think this kid can be a let guy to crack the rotation, and be in the 8 man.

And we'll have him signed for pennies through the entirety of his prime, which is are window to compete. That is awesome.

He reminds me a lot of Herro (Best Case) and Marco Beleneli (Middle case). We'll see if he can develop those passing and rebounding skills at the next level, or if he just becomes a specialist.

No, we can't all agree on that.

What do you think his contract will look like? Because it's going to be significantly higher than Pritchards or Robs was, and I don't see us keeping him on at $15+ mil per. He's one of the best 3pnt shooters in the game, has size, and showed he could play defense at the highest level when it matters Hauser is going to get paid to be a starter for some team next year.

[cloverleaf]

Begarin was like 5 yrs younger than Hauser - they were in the same draft class..who turned out better? Madar and Pritchard, same draft class - Madar was 3 yrs young..who turned out better?

D-white was 23 when he was drafted. He was 30th pick. That same draft class, Frank Ntkilina was the 8th pick and was 19 yrs old..who turned out better?

At 21, Begarin and Davison are still two years younger than Scheierman or Watson and five years younger than Hauser. Walsh, four and seven years, respectively. Hauser was a 2-way guy just two years ago, though obviously he's a hit now, and I think the others still have a chance to make it.

Of course, the older guys have a shorter road and can show you more surely who they're going to be. But I think the biggest variable with such prospects is how smart and driven they are. Belichick prioritized players for whom football was "important". A guy like PP wouldn't be in the league without massive drive and commitment.

Still, the draft is halfway a crap shoot--and you'll find plenty of busts and successes, both young and old.

[24istheLAW]

I think another fair comp here is Kevin Huerter. Both have some guard skills at that 6’6-6’7 height and can do some work off the dribble with their jumper. Closest game I can think of for best case scenario impact wise.

I worry a little bit about Shei’s shot at the NBA level. He very much has an average release point and shoots more of a set shot. Summer league will be an interesting indicator if he can start to get that off consistently against NBA length.

Great post. This is the real question here, not the navelgazing about "defense". Can he actually shoot the lights out in the NBA, given his shooting form? Hauser has a lightning release from a high release point. Scheierman doesn't appear to get the ball out that quickly or from that high. Perhaps the lefty aspect helps in the regular season. But how he fares against NBA length is the million dollar question. If he passes that test, he'll be in the rotation sooner or later.

[Riverwalk2021]

I like what I’ve seen particularly his passing and rebounding.

[ThePigeon]

I think another fair comp here is Kevin Huerter. Both have some guard skills at that 6’6-6’7 height and can do some work off the dribble with their jumper. Closest game I can think of for best case scenario impact wise.

I worry a little bit about Shei’s shot at the NBA level. He very much has an average release point and shoots more of a set shot. Summer league will be an interesting indicator if he can start to get that off consistently against NBA length.

Great post. This is the real question here, not the navelgazing about "defense". Can he actually shoot the lights out in the NBA, given his shooting form? Hauser has a lightning release from a high release point. Scheierman doesn't appear to get the ball out that quickly or from that high. Perhaps the lefty aspect helps in the regular season. But how he fares against NBA length is the million dollar question. If he passes that test, he'll be in the rotation sooner or later.

Playing with JT, JB, White, Jrue, Al will get him a lot of uncontested 3s
He just need to make most of them
He is not the player to take the contested 3 on this team. For this purpose we have JT, JB and White

[Fencer reregistered]

People are over analyzing this pick way too much in here

Baylor is a baller, and provides wing size while being a deadly accurate 3pnt shooter. Every team wants and needs those types of players. You can never have too many of them.

I think we all can agree we won't have the $$ to bring Hauser back after this run, so having another wing that can step in and contribute will be huge. Injuries also happen, and will our guys playing in the olympics, I expect us to rest the team a little more than usual this next year. They've played a lot of basketball.

We talk alot about older prospects vs young, and one thing a lot of people overlook is the years you have them under contract for cheap. A prospect, you might get 1 good year, and then have to guess what they will do in their prime and pay them off of that. For these guys that are older you are essentially getting their entire early prime, and paying them off of how they are contributing right now. Much better value especially if the upperclassman works out.

I think the Big East was a solid conference this year, and going through his game log and tape we can see what type of player he will be against NBA defenses.

18-9-5 against ORG in the tourney, bad shooting, but hit his 3's
18-8-6 against Nova
26-16-4 against MARQ
12-7-6 blowout win against UConn
20-6-9 against ALB

The dude played well in all of their high end games, and effected the game in other aspects. I like that he played well against teams that are well coached, and against teams with legit size. The assists are the thing that stands out the most when looking at his boxscore. 9 games of 6+ assists on the year is no joke, and shows the difference between him and other shooters. He's a smart offensive player that plays within the flow of the game, which is exactly what this team needs. 11 games with 4+ 3's made too.

If he can learn to play defense like Hauser, or just within the team, I think this kid can be a let guy to crack the rotation, and be in the 8 man.

And we'll have him signed for pennies through the entirety of his prime, which is are window to compete. That is awesome.

He reminds me a lot of Herro (Best Case) and Marco Beleneli (Middle case). We'll see if he can develop those passing and rebounding skills at the next level, or if he just becomes a specialist.

No, we can't all agree on that.

What do you think his contract will look like? Because it's going to be significantly higher than Pritchards or Robs was, and I don't see us keeping him on at $15+ mil per. He's one of the best 3pnt shooters in the game, has size, and showed he could play defense at the highest level when it matters Hauser is going to get paid to be a starter for some team next year.

Same range you're suggesting, and I think he signs the extension this offseason.

Perhaps late in the offseason.

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[Curmudgeon]

The question is if he can stay in front of anyone on defense. If not, he ought to find himself a cheap apartment in Portland, ME, to save on the gas.

[brackdan70]

The question is if he can stay in front of anyone on defense. If not, he ought to find himself a cheap apartment in Portland, ME, to save on the gas.

Screw that he makes 2.5 million next year. Buy a coastal estate.

[Curmudgeon]

The question is if he can stay in front of anyone on defense. If not, he ought to find himself a cheap apartment in Portland, ME, to save on the gas.

Screw that he makes 2.5 million next year. Buy a coastal estate.

subtract Federal taxes, state taxes, agents' fees....
Taylor Swift can afford a coastal estate, but he can't.

[brackdan70]

The question is if he can stay in front of anyone on defense. If not, he ought to find himself a cheap apartment in Portland, ME, to save on the gas.

Screw that he makes 2.5 million next year. Buy a coastal estate.

I mean he can’t pay cash, but can finance one no?

[BK_2020]

https://maine.craigslist.org/apa/d/south-freeport-2nd-floor-studio/7762498347.html

I had to get on Craigslist to find the only apartment in Portland Scheierman will be able to afford. If he finds a roommate--maybe Anton Watson--and splits the rent.

[sam_I_am]

Can anybody explain why so many think it shocking that Knecht fell to 17 but okay with Scheierman at 30? I get why Knecht went first but I don’t see why one is a lottery level pick and the other not so much. Knecht has an an impressive vertical leap but Baylor has a longer track record of excellence and was decent defender/rebounder at college level. They are both older and similar prospects yet people are shocked Knecht didn’t go in top 10. Is this just the Laker media spin? What am I missing?

[cloverleaf]

https://maine.craigslist.org/apa/d/south-freeport-2nd-floor-studio/7762498347.html

I had to get on Craigslist to find the only apartment in Portland Scheierman will be able to afford. If he finds a roommate--maybe Anton Watson--and splits the rent.

Watson might have a financial struggle, but not Scheierman!

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Can anybody explain why so many think it shocking that Knecht fell to 17 but okay with Scheierman at 30? I get why Knecht went first but I don’t see why one is a lottery level pick and the other not so much. Knecht has an an impressive vertical leap but Baylor has a longer track record of excellence and was decent defender/rebounder at college level. They are both older and similar prospects yet people are shocked Knecht didn’t go in top 10. Is this just the Laker media spin? What am I missing?

It's an interesting question. The two graded fairly similarly at the combine with Knecht looking a bit more explosive as an athlete.
PLAYER Baylor Scheierman / Dalton Knecht
POS SF / SF
Hand length (inches) 9.25 / 8.5
Hand width (inches) 9.75 / 9.5
Height (without shoes) 6' 6.25'' / 6' 5.25''
Standing reach 8' 6.50'' / 8' 7.50''
Weight (lbs) 201.6 / 212.2
Wingspan 6' 8.25'' / 6' 9.00''
Spot up College Corner Left 88.00% / 84.00%
Off Dribble College Break Left 80.00% / 66.70%
On The Move College 40.00% / 72.00%
Lane Agility Time (seconds) 10.89 / 10.56
Shuttle Run  (seconds) 2.94 / 2.79
Three Quarter Sprint  (seconds) 3.09 / 3.07
Standing Vertical Leap  (inches) 27.5 / 31
Max Vertical Leap  (inches) 32 / 39

In terms of on court production, Knecht took better care of the ball (10.6 TOV% over his college career vs 15.3 for Scheierman) and was a much higher usage player (27.5 USG% vs 22.2). Scheierman was a vastly superior playmaker (20.0 AST% vs 10.9) and rebounder (14.3 REB% vs 10.0) and a more efficient scorer (60.1 TS% vs 57.9).

Dalton Knecht has shot well on big volume from three his entire collegiate career so I'm not sure the shot should be a big question mark but he has also been consistently at 77% from the line and there aren't a ton of good NBA shooters that shoot that low on free throws (Scheierman was 82% over his college year and topped out at 87.6% the last season).

Scheierman played 5 years in college and Knecht only three so it's easily to think Baylor is much closer to his ceiling but there is only like 8 months between them so I'm not sure there is such an enormous gap. I think Knecht has more upside as a scorer but Scheierman is probably better suited to play as a connector which is going to be their role in the NBA anyway (at least initially). I don't see a huge gap in terms of prospect.

[Curmudgeon]

That 7" vertical leap advantage is significant.

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Belo would’ve made that.