Trade Thread 2021-22: To Trade Or Trade Not

[playa-hater]

Ignoring Simmons as an option for the Celtics, feels like we jumped the gun a bit with the Kemba deal.

Think Simmons has to be traded now with the way he was thrown under the bus by Embiid and Doc. That will inevitably shake some other things loose in terms of other trade opportunities by virtue of causing other big pieces to move around. In particular it'll change the PG landscape for a number of teams.

Maybe Horford ends up still being the best option to get off of Kemba, but I can't help but think we'd have been better off waiting to see what happened in the rest of the playoffs before settling.

If the Celtics waited then someone else would have traded for Horford and the Celtics would have been stuck with Kemba.

Good move to act quickly and rid the team of Kemba before the options dried up in my opinion

Also we improved on a glaring weakness on our roster. We are small on every position last year, now we got bigger.

AMEN!

[Triple7]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2093615

Look at what their fans are hoping for with Kuz. He's just trade filler to them, doesn't have value himself as it's really bottomed out.

Come on. You think they are serious? Lol. Kuzma ain’t a filler. He is the main piece of any trade scenarios for them. Try asking them if they would accept a Kuzma for TT and Parker, i’m 100% certain they would laugh at that proposal. They are desperate, but not that desperate. He is their 3rd best player literally. Even Lebron says so. Why would they trade that to end of bench player in parker, and a 3rd string center in TT?

I don't know if you keep missing it, but I've said multiple times that the C's would have to kick in additional value (not a first round pick, but 2nds or something of that ilk).

Also, yeah I think they're moderately serious. He had a truly awful playoffs, hasn't stepped up and is now becoming much much more expensive.

You're just missing all the nuance as well. No one is saying Kuzma/TT swap is their first choice, just that it could be an option if things break a certain way, aka Harrell opts out and they're in need of a C. LeBron has a history of bringing back old teammates and Kuzma is on the outs there with his trade value at it's lowest. They could strike out with their preferred options since they don't have a ton of value to add to Kuz and might just settle for a cheaper piece that fills a need (TT).

Nah! They could easily land a better offer if they put it out there. TT and Parker has zero value right now. They could easily do a Kuzma plus filler for Ben simmons, amd use a 3rd team who wants Ben, but definitely not with us. Most especially not for TT and Parker.

[JediMasterRevan]

Come on. You think they are serious? Lol. Kuzma ain’t a filler. He is the main piece of any trade scenarios for them. Try asking them if they would accept a Kuzma for TT and Parker, i’m 100% certain they would laugh at that proposal. They are desperate, but not that desperate. He is their 3rd best player literally. Even Lebron says so. Why would they trade that to end of bench player in parker, and a 3rd string center in TT?

I don't know if you keep missing it, but I've said multiple times that the C's would have to kick in additional value (not a first round pick, but 2nds or something of that ilk).

Also, yeah I think they're moderately serious. He had a truly awful playoffs, hasn't stepped up and is now becoming much much more expensive.

You're just missing all the nuance as well. No one is saying Kuzma/TT swap is their first choice, just that it could be an option if things break a certain way, aka Harrell opts out and they're in need of a C. LeBron has a history of bringing back old teammates and Kuzma is on the outs there with his trade value at it's lowest. They could strike out with their preferred options since they don't have a ton of value to add to Kuz and might just settle for a cheaper piece that fills a need (TT).

Nah! They could easily land a better offer if they put it out there. TT and Parker has zero value right now. They could easily do a Kuzma plus filler for Ben simmons, amd use a 3rd team who wants Ben, but definitely not with us. Most especially not for TT and Parker.

Kuzma plus "filler" is not worth Simmons, Jesus man.
Simmons value is terrible right now but still.

[Triple7]

I don't know if you keep missing it, but I've said multiple times that the C's would have to kick in additional value (not a first round pick, but 2nds or something of that ilk).

Also, yeah I think they're moderately serious. He had a truly awful playoffs, hasn't stepped up and is now becoming much much more expensive.

You're just missing all the nuance as well. No one is saying Kuzma/TT swap is their first choice, just that it could be an option if things break a certain way, aka Harrell opts out and they're in need of a C. LeBron has a history of bringing back old teammates and Kuzma is on the outs there with his trade value at it's lowest. They could strike out with their preferred options since they don't have a ton of value to add to Kuz and might just settle for a cheaper piece that fills a need (TT).

Nah! They could easily land a better offer if they put it out there. TT and Parker has zero value right now. They could easily do a Kuzma plus filler for Ben simmons, amd use a 3rd team who wants Ben, but definitely not with us. Most especially not for TT and Parker.

Kuzma plus "filler" is not worth Simmons, Jesus man.
Simmons value is terrible right now but still.

But TT plus Parker is???

[BK_2020]

Smart + Carsen + TT + Grant Williams + 2 future picks for Simmons.

[Triple7]

Ibwoupd be more than ok woth simmons amd all his flaws.

I believe 2 things

1) value is 100% gone. In the dumps.
2) a trade wouldost likely smarten him up

Therefore i think

Thompson amd parker to lakers
Kuzma and a signed and traded fournier to philly
Simmons to boston

Simmons
Smart/nesmith
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Would follow with looking for a straight shooter to start for smart, moving marcus to bench forming a bemch core of pritchard/smart/nesmith/grantw/center

You just said Parker and TT to the lakers
Kuzma plus fournier to philly. Lol

[JediMasterRevan]

Nah! They could easily land a better offer if they put it out there. TT and Parker has zero value right now. They could easily do a Kuzma plus filler for Ben simmons, amd use a 3rd team who wants Ben, but definitely not with us. Most especially not for TT and Parker.

Kuzma plus "filler" is not worth Simmons, Jesus man.
Simmons value is terrible right now but still.

But TT plus Parker is???

YEs,

Assuming HArrell opts out and Davis continues to insist on NOT PLAYING CENTER

Lakers can get a cost controlled for only 1 season center who knows how to fit and win championships with lebron. Lakers can find any point guard that can defend and hit some shots off the free agency pile.

PArker they can keep as a scoring backup pf/c or just cut him as he in non guaranteed.

Then they add a 2nd or 2 down the road.

This is a financial deal that also fills a need. I think it is pretty darn close.

[Triple7]

Kuzma plus "filler" is not worth Simmons, Jesus man.
Simmons value is terrible right now but still.

But TT plus Parker is???

YEs,

Assuming HArrell opts out and Davis continues to insist on NOT PLAYING CENTER

Lakers can get a cost controlled for only 1 season center who knows how to fit and win championships with lebron. Lakers can find any point guard that can defend and hit some shots off the free agency pile.

PArker they can keep as a scoring backup pf/c or just cut him as he in non guaranteed.

Then they add a 2nd or 2 down the road.

This is a financial deal that also fills a need. I think it is pretty darn close.

Ok this has to stop. If you value TT and Parker more than Kuzma, then let’s just agree to disagree then.

[snowman]

IMO, TT and Parker plus a pick will not get you Kuzma, and I don't know if I would want him anyway. I really like Parker going forward, and I think with a full training camp, he may yet turn out as a good bench PF.
I also don't want Simmons on the Celts, so there;s that. It's crazy to think a guy only hitting 33 % of his free throws and can't / won't shoot 3's is going to get paid 40 mill in the last year of a 4 year contract. I don't care how good of defense he plays. Guys, Smart shoots a MUCH better % at the line, and from 3, and is usually as good a defensive player than Simmons, and the Celtics would be stupid to take on that contract. I actually feel sorry for Simmons, but not for the Sixers. LOL

If the Lakers want Simmons for Kuzma and a boatload of picks, let them have him.

[ILC]

1. Remainder of the Hayward TPE plus 2023 1st to CLE for Larry Nance Jr. + a separate trade of Langford for a minimum salary of theirs, then Grant and Carsen to CLE or 3rd team to get more space under the tax.

2. Trade TT for Rondo. Lowers salary for us, playmaking and vet leadership, helps Clips FC since Zubac was unplayable in and Ibaka is hurt. TT-Lue connection there too

3. Re-sign Fournier to 3/35 deal with a TO

4. Throw the full TPMLE at Batum, although that is likely too low for him, but if he wants to play on a good team could be enough Idk. If not then maybe Snell and Torrey Craig combined for the MLE OR see if you can get a good wing + a vet PG for Smart. Does Danny Green get more than TPMLE? Probably...

Smart, Rondo, Pritchard
Brown, Fournier
Tatum, Nesmith
Larry Nance, Batum
Horford, RWIII, Brown

I love that team. Combination of defense, shooting and versatility is fantastic. And you only get slightly over the tax by spending the MLE. Otherwise it is a non-tax paying roster.

[Celts17Pride]

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Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

[hugepatsfan]

Read on Twitter

Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

Tatum operates best as a point forward so far in his career and Brown's big leaps have come with more on ball responsibility. I don't think you want a playmaking point guard around them. You want a floor spacer and guys who can make secondary passes. A playmaking PG would take the ball out of Tatum's and Brown's hand for the primary play execution and that doesn't seem to be what makes them effective.

[Celts17Pride]

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Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

Tatum operates best as a point forward so far in his career and Brown's big leaps have come with more on ball responsibility. I don't think you want a playmaking point guard around them. You want a floor spacer and guys who can make secondary passes. A playmaking PG would take the ball out of Tatum's and Brown's hand for the primary play execution and that doesn't seem to be what makes them effective.

Completely disagree.

Tatum with the ball in his hands was out of necessity. A playmaking point guard would make the Celtics a whole lot better and get Tatum and Brown easier shots. Tatum and Brown take a ton of tough shots.

[Fierce1]

Looks like Brad is not the "I like our guys" kind of guy.

[Fierce1]

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Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

Agree.

Looks like Smart is not going to be the starting PG next season.

[hugepatsfan]

Read on Twitter

Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

Tatum operates best as a point forward so far in his career and Brown's big leaps have come with more on ball responsibility. I don't think you want a playmaking point guard around them. You want a floor spacer and guys who can make secondary passes. A playmaking PG would take the ball out of Tatum's and Brown's hand for the primary play execution and that doesn't seem to be what makes them effective.

Completely disagree.

Tatum with the ball in his hands was out of necessity. A playmaking point guard would make the Celtics a whole lot better and get Tatum and Brown easier shots. Tatum and Brown take a ton of tough shots.

Tatum has never displayed any sort of feel for moving off the ball. Even when he gets hit on a kickout with an open shot he holds the ball and does a rhythm dribble before the shot half the time. A playmaking PG model would be asking Tatum to basically trash his entire offensive game and start over. He's more comfortable dribbling into his shot.

[moonie_mcgee]

Simmons away from Embiid with a roster better suited to take advantage of his skillset is still a really, really good basketball player.

I would have no problem with the Celtics seeing what a core of Tatum, Brown and Simmons could do. Don't know if the salaries would be able to work as Simmons makes a lot.

Me neitdoesn't. I would too and I'd put Simmons at the 4 and let him refocus on what works and what doesnt.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Read on Twitter

Brad Stevens looking for a playmaking point guard is how I read this tweet

Agree.

Looks like Smart is not going to be the starting PG next season.

Smart probably gets dealt.

[Fierce1]

I don't think it's a good idea to trade for Ben Simmons.

Simmons is too expensive.

[Shak_Celts]

Simmons makes around 36 per, they have to find teams who can match and give something of value, that's not many teams. Then you have to think of who can put him in a situation to succeed otherwise that team is wasting money and assets. 36m!! Yikes.


The guy is really good, but really flawed mentally and the mental is most of what makes you great! Regular season where most good teams are good, but biding time til the playoffs is easy, you can look great, but when everyone steps up intensity in the playoffs you can't wilt!