Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[laploutocratie]

Prince would be an obvious buyout candidate to me. Don't see how we could salvage anything a la Humphries in a S&T and that single slot of expiring for $6-8m is already covered with Thornton. I also just wouldn't have the heart to do something like that to Brad at this point.

I like their rookie, Jordan Adams, but that feels steep for what is most likely an expiring. They do need to go all in as this may be their last hurrah with Gasol and ZBo. Adams was drafted 5 slots after Young. Their first round pick this year being out of their hands, but likely to go to them(15-30 protection) leaves me murky on what they can do.

That pick they owed the Cavs (now Denver) has protections on it until 2019. It will most likely be a 2016 pick... but they can't trade any more first round picks (except for 2020) until that is settled. So... basically, they will be offering Prince and a couple late 2nds. Which is lame. Not sure how this would work. Maybe they could send Kosta to a 3rd team for a 1st? I'd like Kosta for ourselves, but he is an expiring. We can just sign him this summer if we want him.

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

Yuck, yuck, and yuck. That's not worth trading him for.

[GreenMachine]

Just not interested in another pick, got to give me a player.


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But why? You don't like James Young? Wouldn't you rather Danny have a chance to draft another Young rather then take Jordan Adams just because we already have a lot of picks?

Also - we have too many people in our rotation. The idea is to thin it out, not add more to it.

[GreenMachine]

Prince would be an obvious buyout candidate to me. Don't see how we could salvage anything a la Humphries in a S&T and that single slot of expiring for $6-8m is already covered with Thornton. I also just wouldn't have the heart to do something like that to Brad at this point.

I like their rookie, Jordan Adams, but that feels steep for what is most likely an expiring. They do need to go all in as this may be their last hurrah with Gasol and ZBo. Adams was drafted 5 slots after Young. Their first round pick this year being out of their hands, but likely to go to them(15-30 protection) leaves me murky on what they can do.

That pick they owed the Cavs (now Denver) has protections on it until 2019. It will most likely be a 2016 pick... but they can't trade any more first round picks (except for 2020) until that is settled. So... basically, they will be offering Prince and a couple late 2nds. Which is lame. Not sure how this would work. Maybe they could send Kosta to a 3rd team for a 1st? I'd like Kosta for ourselves, but he is an expiring. We can just sign him this summer if we want him.

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

Yuck, yuck, and yuck. That's not worth trading him for.

Well Kosta 'should' be able to get a 1st from someone... so Prince (expiring) and a 1st. That's pretty much the best you could hope for for Green, no? The going rate has been a 1st for a while now... or at least that's what's in the rumor mill...

[Captain_Caveman]

Prince would be an obvious buyout candidate to me. Don't see how we could salvage anything a la Humphries in a S&T and that single slot of expiring for $6-8m is already covered with Thornton. I also just wouldn't have the heart to do something like that to Brad at this point.

I like their rookie, Jordan Adams, but that feels steep for what is most likely an expiring. They do need to go all in as this may be their last hurrah with Gasol and ZBo. Adams was drafted 5 slots after Young. Their first round pick this year being out of their hands, but likely to go to them(15-30 protection) leaves me murky on what they can do.

That pick they owed the Cavs (now Denver) has protections on it until 2019. It will most likely be a 2016 pick... but they can't trade any more first round picks (except for 2020) until that is settled. So... basically, they will be offering Prince and a couple late 2nds. Which is lame. Not sure how this would work. Maybe they could send Kosta to a 3rd team for a 1st? I'd like Kosta for ourselves, but he is an expiring. We can just sign him this summer if we want him.

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

They can trade a 1st that is *likely* to be a 2018, just needs language to say that "to be conveyed two years after" Denver gets their pick.

So basically, Prince and either Adams or a likely 2018 1st. I think Memphis does either of these knowing that (a) they have a real shot to win it all this year, and (b) they need to demonstrate to Gasol that they are trying to ahead of his unrestricted free agency. Only question to me is whether or not they can get Deng with that instead.

Koufos makes no sense at all. Will be unrestricted. Not an asset.

[Banks2Pierce]

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

Or 4. 2020 top 3 protected pick could be fun.

Koufos is pretty average, but I don't think they could afford to move him. Leuer is not enough depth for bigs.

[GreenMachine]

Prince would be an obvious buyout candidate to me. Don't see how we could salvage anything a la Humphries in a S&T and that single slot of expiring for $6-8m is already covered with Thornton. I also just wouldn't have the heart to do something like that to Brad at this point.

I like their rookie, Jordan Adams, but that feels steep for what is most likely an expiring. They do need to go all in as this may be their last hurrah with Gasol and ZBo. Adams was drafted 5 slots after Young. Their first round pick this year being out of their hands, but likely to go to them(15-30 protection) leaves me murky on what they can do.

That pick they owed the Cavs (now Denver) has protections on it until 2019. It will most likely be a 2016 pick... but they can't trade any more first round picks (except for 2020) until that is settled. So... basically, they will be offering Prince and a couple late 2nds. Which is lame. Not sure how this would work. Maybe they could send Kosta to a 3rd team for a 1st? I'd like Kosta for ourselves, but he is an expiring. We can just sign him this summer if we want him.

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

They can trade a 1st that is *likely* to be a 2018, just needs language to say that "to be conveyed two years after" Denver gets their pick.

So basically, Prince and either Adams or a likely 2018 1st. I think Memphis does either of these knowing that (a) they have a real shot to win it all this year, and (b) they need to demonstrate to Gasol that they are trying to ahead of his unrestricted free agency. Only question to me is whether or not they can get Deng with that instead.

Koufos makes no sense at all. Will be unrestricted. Not an asset.

Do you know that as a fact or are you speculating? I don't mean to question your knowledge... just wondering...

[DarkAzcura]

Koufos makes no sense at all. Will be unrestricted. Not an asset.

I just want to see a real center dammit (no offense to Zeller). Offensive basketball be damned, I want to see a Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Wright, real defensive center (KK) lineup for some minutes a game for some fun defense.

[bbd24]

Just not interested in another pick, got to give me a player.


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But why? You don't like James Young? Wouldn't you rather Danny have a chance to draft another Young rather then take Jordan Adams just because we already have a lot of picks?

Also - we have too many people in our rotation. The idea is to thin it out, not add more to it.

I'd take any pick for a player whose opting out in 4 months. Take the pick and sign him back if you like him & want to pay him.

[Captain_Caveman]

That pick they owed the Cavs (now Denver) has protections on it until 2019. It will most likely be a 2016 pick... but they can't trade any more first round picks (except for 2020) until that is settled. So... basically, they will be offering Prince and a couple late 2nds. Which is lame. Not sure how this would work. Maybe they could send Kosta to a 3rd team for a 1st? I'd like Kosta for ourselves, but he is an expiring. We can just sign him this summer if we want him.

So basically... if we want to deal Green to the Griz, our return would be 1. some 2nds 2. Jordan Adams or 3. Kosta (or whatever they can get for him from a 3rd team)

They can trade a 1st that is *likely* to be a 2018, just needs language to say that "to be conveyed two years after" Denver gets their pick.

So basically, Prince and either Adams or a likely 2018 1st. I think Memphis does either of these knowing that (a) they have a real shot to win it all this year, and (b) they need to demonstrate to Gasol that they are trying to ahead of his unrestricted free agency. Only question to me is whether or not they can get Deng with that instead.

Koufos makes no sense at all. Will be unrestricted. Not an asset.

Do you know that as a fact or are you speculating? I don't mean to question your knowledge... just wondering...

There are several precedents for that. None this year, but this link shows that language for the Dario Saric pick in the last draft (line 12)

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/ba ... s/2014.htm

[Andrew McCeltic]

They can't create a hole at the backup 5 to plug their hole at the 3.. They might be willing to swap Koufos for Wright, and/or involve a third team.. Also, if Denver were willing, Memphis could renegotiate the protection on their pick to give it up this year, then trade their 2017 first. Or they could deal Jordan Adams for a player or pick and send that to Boston..

But Memphis isn't the best suitor for Green- other teams can trump their offer easily..

This is actually a good year to be pawning off veterans- there are a good 8+ teams with a shot at the finals...

[FlatearthZorro]

If I'm Danny, if they don't want to give us their pick next year or this year, I wont trade Green to MEM. No need, he'll be a free agent in the summer anyways, they can get him then, this is not freaking charity.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Green gets traded for Prince alone, it means we want cap room and are worried he WON'T opt out.

I think you can get Adams, or possibly find a third team willing to give up a pick or prospect for him. Beyond that, MEM actually has a ton of depth at the 2, it's just not good depth- Quincy Poindexter and an old Vince Carter. I think they'd be crazy to deal Koufos, but maybe they think Leuer can back up the 5 spot..

Best case, for me, is that we find a better deal somewhere else for Green, but MEM is so desperate for production at the 3, they offer Tayshaun for Gerald Wallace..

[chrisab123]

Checked to see that this tweet was still up... and it is

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/145647722475692032[/tweet]

Is Hollinger still active with the Griz? I had thought his influence was drastically curtailed during the coup last May by controlling owner robert pera, who rehabilitated old friend Chris Wallace of all people

http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/chris ... ger-140729

there was some doubt as to whether Hollinger was going to stay on, he did so and kept his title but i would have to think his views may not have the sway they had under the prior regime under Jason Levien and Stu Lash, with whom Hollinger was closely aligned

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2068 ... fter-clash

which is a long way of saying that Hollinger may be on an island in Memphis in much the same was Wallace was after Hollinger was brought in back in 2012

If Hollinger is still with the Grizz there is no way a deal goes down. He has hated Jeff Green since he was drafted. He thinks Green at best is a bottom of the rotation player.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hollinger's not the GM.. And Memphis could use a good backup small forward right now, because Prince isn't even that.

I have a hard time seeing Koufos get dealt- Memphis will have literally no backup center. But stranger things have happened..

As I said in the other thread, trade Jeff Green somewhere else like Phoenix, then send Wallace to Memphis..

[klemen4]

Stein: Grizzlies eye Deng or Green
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12135 ... jeff-green

Looks like the best we can get is 2019 first rounder, because MEM protected pick CLE just traded to DEN will be converted in 2017 when it is only 1-7 protected.

We can do better than this imo...let the bidding begin.

[aim2please]

I think Deng is the guy Memphis wants. Our only hope for trading Green is an old school type GM who trusts his eye-test and sees a versatile athletic wing who can play 3 or 4, and not an inefficient scorer who can't really defend that well (advanced stats be damned) and is an average 3 point shooter.

I am not hating on Green, he seems like a really nice guy, but we shouldn't be the team giving him 40-48M for 4 years. Crowder does 85% of what Green does and he will get 4-5M next summer.

Prince (bought out) + Adams or future 1st. No brainer

[165bows]

Stein: Grizzlies eye Deng or Green
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12135 ... jeff-green

Looks like the best we can get is 2019 first rounder, because MEM protected pick CLE just traded to DEN will be converted in 2017 when it is only 1-7 protected.

We can do better than this imo...let the bidding begin.

Agree, 2019 is the most likely landing spot for a future pick from Memphis. The pick they currently owe Denver is 'reverse' lotto protected this year and next, so probably gets conveyed in 2017 (unless Memphis misses the playoffs this year or next). Any future traded pick then becomes eligible to be moved in 2019, minus whatever protections it has.

Honestly though that is probably the best time to get the most value out of a pick from them as Randolph/Allen will be legit old at that point and Gasol won't be young by any means. I assume they'd top ten or lotto protect the pick for several years and then it would just expire.

[165bows]

Still referencing that old Hollinger tweet is pretty useless IMO.

That means we are assuming several unlikely things: he still has much pull in the organization after restructuring last off-season, he actually uses PER to evaluate real NBA players (if you wanted to land a future GM job, would you actually be on here spilling the beans on your super-secret competitive advantage?), and that they like Tayshaun Prince's PER of 10 at 7.7M more than whatever Green can do at 9M.

PER structurally rewards inefficient volume scoring at about anything over 40% FG%. If they actually liked that kind of production wouldn't they have just kept Rudy Gay?

[klemen4]

Actually we do not needs pick in 2015(2 first rounders) and 2016(4 first rounders). So actually 2019 would be good, even if protection allows us to get it even later I would be good with it.

But we should wait to get more, if they are desperate they may give us Adams plus pick. Ok we do not need Adams, but could be another trade chip.

[Ben-N1ce]

Weird stat of the day..but not so surprising. Buh Bye..

Here's our favorite stat on Crowder for the night: According to the league's player tracking data, Crowder averaged a speed of 4.49 miles per hour during his time on the court. That's an insane number when you consider that starting swingman Jeff Green moved at a team-low 3.88 miles per hour and the league average appears to be closer to 4.2 miles per hour. Crowder goes full tilt when he's on the floor.