The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[FlatearthZorro]

Where's our free agency thread, I can't find it, I was wondering how much Boban would cost us? And how old is he?


EDIT: Ok, he's 28, 3 year deal on the cheap wouldn't be bad, he's still cheaper than Amir, probably and we could bring in Zizic.

He just signed a 3 year deal on the cheap with Detroit, 3/21 I believe. Are you the Pistons GM? lol

I don't understand at all, why the Pistons need him, van Gundy impressed me at first, but now, they don't have all that much cap left and he's signed average or below average players, with a few exceptions... Just really weird.

[165bows]

Not gonna lie, I kind of like the idea of one year of Tyreke Evans if they can get him cheap on the trade market. He'd slide right in as an expiring contract ET replacement.

IT/AB/Evans/Crowder/Horford as starters
Rozier/Smart/Brown/Amir/KO as the bench.

The kids all slot in to give guys plenty of rest, as I think the team was too banged up last year. Crowder, AB and Olynyk all were out or ineffective in the playoffs, nobody is winning series with 2 of the top 3 guys out and a top bench piece missing.

[Disinformation]

Not gonna lie, I kind of like the idea of one year of Tyreke Evans if they can get him cheap on the trade market. He'd slide right in as an expiring contract ET replacement.

IT/AB/Evans/Crowder/Horford as starters
Rozier/Smart/Brown/Amir/KO as the bench.

The kids all slot in to give guys plenty of rest, as I think the team was too banged up last year. Crowder, AB and Olynyk all were out or ineffective in the playoffs, nobody is winning series with 2 of the top 3 guys out and a top bench piece missing.

That's not a bad idea at all. They have very similar skill sets as wings whose best skill is actually initiating the offense.

[Celts17Pride]

Don't think the deadline for Amir and JJ is until midnight tonight. Something to keep an eye on.

[chrisab123]

Get cousins or Westbrook. Cousins with the right coaching would be amazing. Amir JJ and yes I would trade the BRK 17 pick along with other small parts.

A lineup of
Cousins
Horford
Crowder
Bradley
IT/Smart

Would be very interesting in competition with Cleveland and GS.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[djFan71]

Not gonna lie, I kind of like the idea of one year of Tyreke Evans if they can get him cheap on the trade market. He'd slide right in as an expiring contract ET replacement.

IT/AB/Evans/Crowder/Horford as starters
Rozier/Smart/Brown/Amir/KO as the bench.

The kids all slot in to give guys plenty of rest, as I think the team was too banged up last year. Crowder, AB and Olynyk all were out or ineffective in the playoffs, nobody is winning series with 2 of the top 3 guys out and a top bench piece missing.

That's not a bad idea at all. They have very similar skill sets as wings whose best skill is actually initiating the offense.

Personally, I don't think Tyreke moves the needle enough to warrant taking time from Brown/Rozier/Smart development. If we're going to upgrade, let's upgrade and get someone at/near all-star caliber. If we're going to stay flexible and save space for next summer, let's develop our young assets while doing so.

[165bows]

I think Chicago makes sense for a deal that Ainge mentioned (i.e., shooter or possibly big man).

They've only got two big men under contract beyond this year, in Lopez and Portis. They are also thin at PG with only Rondo and Grant. So they match up well with Boston for a smaller deal, since now their depth is at the 2/3, with Wade, Butler, Snell, Valentine, and McDermott all needing time at one of those two spots. Snell is probably the odd man out but possibly even Dougie, he seems pretty redundant with Valentine who they sound like they like a lot.

I could see Snell or McDermott being the shooter they are talking about.

[Disinformation]

Not gonna lie, I kind of like the idea of one year of Tyreke Evans if they can get him cheap on the trade market. He'd slide right in as an expiring contract ET replacement.

IT/AB/Evans/Crowder/Horford as starters
Rozier/Smart/Brown/Amir/KO as the bench.

The kids all slot in to give guys plenty of rest, as I think the team was too banged up last year. Crowder, AB and Olynyk all were out or ineffective in the playoffs, nobody is winning series with 2 of the top 3 guys out and a top bench piece missing.

That's not a bad idea at all. They have very similar skill sets as wings whose best skill is actually initiating the offense.

Personally, I don't think Tyreke moves the needle enough to warrant taking time from Brown/Rozier/Smart development. If we're going to upgrade, let's upgrade and get someone at/near all-star caliber. If we're going to stay flexible and save space for next summer, let's develop our young assets while doing so.

Development of the young guys is important. But you've got to balance that with winning, too, so that you are attractive to free agents next year.

[ParticleMan]

I think playing Rozier/Brown/Smart will win us more games than Tyreke Evans. Dude is a negative on court.

[jmr07019]

IT, Crowder, KO, Brooklyn 18 for Blake Griffin.

IT replaces Crawford and is a long term CP3 replacement. Crowder is a big upgrade at the 3 and gives them some defense. Kelly can eat some minutes at the 4 and DeAndre covers his weaknesses pretty well.

Doesn't improve our team that much this year but puts in really nice position to pair up Griffin and Westbrook next summer. In order to do that we need to clear some salary and this trade does that. We keep all our high upside young guys and the Brooklyn 17.

Westbrook, Bradley, Brown, Griffin, Horford with a bench of Chef Rozier, Smart, the euros, Brooklyn 17 and ring chasers.

[Green89]

I could see Snell or McDermott being the shooter they are talking about.

With their new starting lineup consisting of guys who don't shoot the 3 ball, I doubt the Bulls are giving up anyone off their bench that can put the ball in the basket from deep.

[Slartibartfast]

I think Chicago makes sense for a deal that Ainge mentioned (i.e., shooter or possibly big man).

They've only got two big men under contract beyond this year, in Lopez and Portis. They are also thin at PG with only Rondo and Grant. So they match up well with Boston for a smaller deal, since now their depth is at the 2/3, with Wade, Butler, Snell, Valentine, and McDermott all needing time at one of those two spots. Snell is probably the odd man out but possibly even Dougie, he seems pretty redundant with Valentine who they sound like they like a lot.

I could see Snell or McDermott being the shooter they are talking about.

I've heard Hoiberg is big on Dougie, so I don't think there's much chance of getting him for a song, much as I'd like to. Post ASB he was putting up 17 per 36 on .59TS%. Almost as bad as BK Bogie on D right now, but he's got lighter feet and a more reliable stroke.

Snell is to Chicago fans what James Young is to us - a punchline. We could probably get him for a future 2nd. But does he even crack our rotation?

[Crossy2008]

This is my quick cap breakdown so far. Leaving Zeller and Sully out, and adding Brown and Zizic, while not adding Jackson, Bentil, or Yabusele.

Horford, Al $26,540,100.00
Amir Johnson $12,000,000.00
Avery Bradley $8,269,663.00
Thomas, Isaiah $6,587,132.00
Crowder, Jae $6,286,408.00
Jonas Jerebko $5,000,000.00
Brown, Jaylen $3,952,500.00
Smart, Marcus $3,578,880.00
Olynyk, Kelly $3,094,013.00
Rozier, Terry $1,906,440.00
James Young $1,825,200.00
Mickey, Jordan $1,223,653.00
Hunter, R.J. $1,200,240.00
Žižić, Ante $1,151,900.00

Total $82,616,129.00

This leaves us with a little over 11 mil to spend or absorb in a trade, plus you would have to add any outgoing salaries to that 11 mil, and maybe deduct any of the rookies I left out.

[djFan71]

That's not a bad idea at all. They have very similar skill sets as wings whose best skill is actually initiating the offense.

Personally, I don't think Tyreke moves the needle enough to warrant taking time from Brown/Rozier/Smart development. If we're going to upgrade, let's upgrade and get someone at/near all-star caliber. If we're going to stay flexible and save space for next summer, let's develop our young assets while doing so.

Development of the young guys is important. But you've got to balance that with winning, too, so that you are attractive to free agents next year.

The roster as is will win enough, I don't think we need to chase 1 year ET backfill replacement. And, history shows we won't achieve a balance - if we have a vet ahead of Brown/Rozier/Smart, Brad will play the vet. It's not like I'm saying we gotta make room for RJ or Young playing time, I'm talking about playing our 2 top 10 draft picks and our other promising sophomore. I'm all for a consolidation trade to get a guy we think will be a part of the future, but Tyreke to me isn't that. And he isn't significant enough of an upgrade to be worth the minutes he'd take from the 3 young guys. In fact, I probably lean this way:

I think playing Rozier/Brown/Smart will win us more games than Tyreke Evans.

[165bows]

I think Chicago makes sense for a deal that Ainge mentioned (i.e., shooter or possibly big man).

They've only got two big men under contract beyond this year, in Lopez and Portis. They are also thin at PG with only Rondo and Grant. So they match up well with Boston for a smaller deal, since now their depth is at the 2/3, with Wade, Butler, Snell, Valentine, and McDermott all needing time at one of those two spots. Snell is probably the odd man out but possibly even Dougie, he seems pretty redundant with Valentine who they sound like they like a lot.

I could see Snell or McDermott being the shooter they are talking about.

I've heard Hoiberg is big on Dougie, so I don't think there's much chance of getting him for a song, much as I'd like to. Post ASB he was putting up 17 per 36 on .59TS%. Almost as bad as BK Bogie on D right now, but he's got lighter feet and a more reliable stroke.


Snell is to Chicago fans what James Young is to us - a punchline. We could probably get him for a future 2nd. But does he even crack our rotation?

Heard same on Dougie, he just seems a weird fit with Valentine. I guess it works to just stagger the two bench guys and starters because each pair has similar shooting/defense issues.

Snell is a shot in the dark but for some reason they've been much better with him on the floor than off, and Chicago's best players (Butler and Pau) had their best lineup pairing with him on the floor. He is a cheap expiring, can shoot from deep a little bit, and seems versatile between 2s and 3s. If they've given up on Young a straight swap of Young and Snell could make a lot of sense but admittedly that's sort of a gamble based mainly on his stats and Chicago's roster and cap situation.

[Crossy2008]

I know we have been over this on multiple occasions, but if we could trade Jerebko/Young/TPE for Monroe I would do it. There is zero possibility that he picks up his option after the season, and he offers the team more versatility to their style of play.

Not really seeing a whole lot of better options out there. I am a little nervous that he would not fit in, and not so sure what to think about his addition to Mil and their decline last season. But, then I remember that Jason Kidd is the coach of Mil and I think that is probably the biggest problem with their team.

[Banks2Pierce]

Snell is a shot in the dark but for some reason they've been much better with him on the floor than off

Snell is a mystery box. Some metrics hate him and some love him. He's 85th out of 656 in multiyear RAPM, which is boxscore agnostic. Wouldn't mind kicking the tires there at all.

[sportscrazy]

Would Boston give up more for Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor?

What is the best offer Ainge would make for the one he wants more?

[Diamondman07]

Would Boston give up more for Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor?

What is the best offer Ainge would make for the one he wants more?

More for Okafer, main reason is after 2016-17 season Noel's price tag will sky rocket, so the cheaper contract is more favorable.

From pure player perspective these 2 are apples and oranges. One has bad D but better on offense and the 2nd is good D not as good offense. I'd put "player" value as a wash, though several will give edge to the offense.

As for trade pieces.. Smart and BKN 2018 pick?