The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[truth18]

You may be way too young to recall, but Bird beat better teams. Steph beat an injured Cleveland team, and then choked when LeBron had everyone last year. Bird beat Magic, Kareem, Dr. J etc..

You may be too old to recall that people for the past several years here scoffed at the idea Lebron could be better than Bird, let alone win rings. Now, after last year, Lebron shut alot of people up. It's not ridiculous to think that he's better.

Things change.

That thread was absurd, lol.

Not as bad as the Klay/Bradley one though (and I love Avery).

[165bows]

If only our super good player was better than all of the other super good players.

[tbceltics34]

I may get blasted for this but to bring up Jimmy Butler, I wouldn't even trade just the 2017 Brooklyn pick for him. I would much rather take the chance on a young stud like Fultz, Taytum or Ball. With Butler's injury history, that is something we would have to worry about as well. Plus, he may block minutes for the rising Smart with how his play has been on the rise.

I think if we make any trade at all, unless its for Paul George, it needs to strictly be for a big man. I am over the Butler rumors and don't want him on this team. We clearly would have to give up more than the Brooklyn 17 pick but with how this team is playing and the chemistry they have, I don't think you jeopardize that for a player that may be good but I don't think is a top 15 player in the league.

[ryaningf]

Wait. Orlando wants Smart? What about Payton?

I'd target Aaron Gordon is this scenario. He's been injured and miscast so far in his career but he's a Draymond type top 10 guy in a couple years if he gets in the right system and stays healthy.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Gordon. Smart is great at defense, and his offense has improved a good bit this year. The only thing Gordon is great at is dunking. So hard pass on this for me.

Marcus is a Celtic and has had a great month, but getting a younger, more athletic player who guards 5 spots, fills a need and rebalances the roster is a pretty good deal.

Before Ibaka was traded, Gordon had been playing out of position at SF on a bad team with a poor offensive system so I guess it's easy to forget what he can do.

[CelticFaninLBC]

You may be way too young to recall, but Bird beat better teams. Steph beat an injured Cleveland team, and then choked when LeBron had everyone last year. Bird beat Magic, Kareem, Dr. J etc..

You may be too old to recall that people for the past several years here scoffed at the idea Lebron could be better than Bird, let alone win rings. Now, after last year, Lebron shut alot of people up. It's not ridiculous to think that he's better.

Things change.

Steph's no LeBron.

[OFWGKTA]

I'd target Aaron Gordon is this scenario. He's been injured and miscast so far in his career but he's a Draymond type top 10 guy in a couple years if he gets in the right system and stays healthy.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Gordon. Smart is great at defense, and his offense has improved a good bit this year. The only thing Gordon is great at is dunking. So hard pass on this for me.

Marcus is a Celtic and has had a great month, but getting a younger, more athletic player who guards 5 spots, fills a need and rebalances the roster is a pretty good deal.

Before Ibaka was traded, Gordon had been playing out of position at SF on a bad team with a poor offensive system so I guess it's easy to forget what he can do.

Fills a need, but not at the cost of Smart. I'd say that before this past month, and season even.

[NotALongIslandr]

Ty Son Chand Ler (clap clap clapclapclap)...

[Smog]

I'd target Aaron Gordon is this scenario. He's been injured and miscast so far in his career but he's a Draymond type top 10 guy in a couple years if he gets in the right system and stays healthy.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Gordon. Smart is great at defense, and his offense has improved a good bit this year. The only thing Gordon is great at is dunking. So hard pass on this for me.

Marcus is a Celtic and has had a great month, but getting a younger, more athletic player who guards 5 spots, fills a need and rebalances the roster is a pretty good deal.

Before Ibaka was traded, Gordon had been playing out of position at SF on a bad team with a poor offensive system so I guess it's easy to forget what he can do.

Smart-for-Gordon would have been a tough call before, but if Smart's offense is really coming around, I don't see any way you can trade him now. Especially given the structure of the team, which is going to need an ace backcourt defender for as long as IT is in uniform.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I'd target Aaron Gordon is this scenario. He's been injured and miscast so far in his career but he's a Draymond type top 10 guy in a couple years if he gets in the right system and stays healthy.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Gordon. Smart is great at defense, and his offense has improved a good bit this year. The only thing Gordon is great at is dunking. So hard pass on this for me.

Marcus is a Celtic and has had a great month, but getting a younger, more athletic player who guards 5 spots, fills a need and rebalances the roster is a pretty good deal.

Before Ibaka was traded, Gordon had been playing out of position at SF on a bad team with a poor offensive system so I guess it's easy to forget what he can do.

Forgetting what? What can he do? What has he done? What does he hang his hat on? He's a great athlete who thus far is not great at basketball. Marcus is a proven great defender and a great intangibles/toughness guy. He just impacts the game way more than Gordon ever has.

[rmal8852]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

Getting Melo gives us a better shot at winning now and still allows us to win later, cashing in the Brooklyn picks for ourselves.

FA this year is a huge crapshoot. Unless we get a sign that Hayward is coming.....

Melo and O'Quinn for Rozier/KO/Amir/Zeller and whatever non-BK picks it takes.

The Zen guy saves face by getting two young rotation players and a bunch of picks.

Melo/Horford/IT will give us 3-4 years of contention now and a bridge to the future.

Brown/Smart/Brooklyn'17/Brooklyn'18 will be our core for the future.

If Ainge plays his cards right and with some luck (ALWAYS needed), we could be more than relevant for 10 years or more.

Of the three teams that Melo has approved, we are the only one with the assets Zen wants: young players and a bunch of non-BK picks

[Parliament10]

How hard would it be to get Bogut?

Amir and a Non-Brooklyn. Maybe add a Non-Core player.

[Parliament10]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

Getting Melo gives us a better shot at winning now and still allows us to win later, cashing in the Brooklyn picks for ourselves.

FA this year is a huge crapshoot. Unless we get a sign that Hayward is coming.....

Melo and O'Quinn for Rozier/KO/Amir/Zeller and whatever non-BK picks it takes.

The Zen guy saves face by getting two young rotation players and a bunch of picks.

Melo/Horford/IT will give us 3-4 years of contention now and a bridge to the future.

Brown/Smart/Brooklyn'17/Brooklyn'18 will be our core for the future.

If Ainge plays his cards right and with some luck (ALWAYS needed), we could be more than relevant for 10 years or more.

Of the three teams that Melo has approved, we are the only one with the assets Zen wants: young players and a bunch of non-BK picks

Why would we want to do the Knicks a favor?

We definitely don't need Melo, and the 2 extra years left on his Contract.
O'Quinn? He's worth a risk, as a Rotation Player. But, he has 2 years past this season, too.

Rozier & Olynyk, are Fringe-Core players for us. If we're gonna give them up, it's gotta be worth it.

[NotALongIslandr]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

Getting Melo gives us a better shot at winning now and still allows us to win later, cashing in the Brooklyn picks for ourselves.

FA this year is a huge crapshoot. Unless we get a sign that Hayward is coming.....

Melo and O'Quinn for Rozier/KO/Amir/Zeller and whatever non-BK picks it takes.

The Zen guy saves face by getting two young rotation players and a bunch of picks.

Melo/Horford/IT will give us 3-4 years of contention now and a bridge to the future.

Brown/Smart/Brooklyn'17/Brooklyn'18 will be our core for the future.

If Ainge plays his cards right and with some luck (ALWAYS needed), we could be more than relevant for 10 years or more.

Of the three teams that Melo has approved, we are the only one with the assets Zen wants: young players and a bunch of non-BK picks

Why not throw in the rights to Yabu if Phil is taking lego pieces for Melo? If he's really willing to give Melo away w/o getting Smart, Brown, any other youth with real potential (aside from Rozier and Young... maybe) or Bkn picks back, sure, why not. But I really doubt that's the case.

Handlers: IT / Smart / AB / Jackson
Wings: AB / Smart / Brown / Green
Swings: Melo / Crowder / Jerebko
Bigs: Horford / KOQ / Zizic in '17-18

[Skybox]

Rumor has it Drummond is available. Surely it will cost an arm and a leg...but you guys have many arms and legs. DeAndre Jordan East?

That's a dude whose physicality could not be ignored by any team, including CLE

[BleedGreen1989]

Rumor has it Drummond is available. Surely it will cost an arm and a leg...but you guys have many arms and legs. DeAndre Jordan East?

That's a dude whose physicality could not be ignored by any team, including CLE

If we want to talk non-Brooklyn picks...

Which probably doesn't go far but I'm not a big "Drummond guy".

[bs_and_cs]

Thinking about it a bit more, I would love to somehow convince Minnesota to trade Gorgui Dieng.

[BigTrade92]

Ty Son Chand Ler (clap clap clapclapclap)...

Definitely would fill a need, but have you looked at his contract?

It's an albatross. Would hinder any free agent moves we could make in the offseason.

Pass.

[NotALongIslandr]

Ty Son Chand Ler (clap clap clapclapclap)...

Definitely would fill a need, but have you looked at his contract?

It's an albatross. Would hinder any free agent moves we could make in the offseason.

Pass.

I dunno. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I think you put Chandler on this team w/o giving up core assets and this squad gives CLE a run for their money in the ECF this year and then DA pulls a rabbit out of his hat and either deals him at the draft or in a S&T. People talking about Okafor are nuts and Colangelo isn't dealing Noel. Cousins is a pipe dream. Vucevic isn't as good a fit as TC and his contract isn't much better. When you say "Pass" I'm assuming that makes you a stand pat guy for this year's playoff run. And we already know how that story ends.

[BigTrade92]

Ty Son Chand Ler (clap clap clapclapclap)...

Definitely would fill a need, but have you looked at his contract?

It's an albatross. Would hinder any free agent moves we could make in the offseason.

Pass.

I dunno. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I think you put Chandler on this team w/o giving up core assets and this squad gives CLE a run for their money in the ECF this year and then DA pulls a rabbit out of his hat and either deals him at the draft or in a S&T. People talking about Okafor are nuts and Colangelo isn't dealing Noel. Cousins is a pipe dream. Vucevic isn't as good a fit as TC and his contract isn't much better. When you say "Pass" I'm assuming that makes you a stand pat guy for this year's playoff run. And we already know how that story ends.

I say pass being I'm no fan of paying Tyson Chandler 13 mill per for the next two years.

That's absolute stupidity and something a stupid team like Phoenix does.

Zero chance Ainge is trading for that contract and eliminating any shot he has at signing a big name free agent in the next two off seasons.

[NotALongIslandr]

Definitely would fill a need, but have you looked at his contract?

It's an albatross. Would hinder any free agent moves we could make in the offseason.

Pass.

I dunno. Call me a cockeyed optimist but I think you put Chandler on this team w/o giving up core assets and this squad gives CLE a run for their money in the ECF this year and then DA pulls a rabbit out of his hat and either deals him at the draft or in a S&T. People talking about Okafor are nuts and Colangelo isn't dealing Noel. Cousins is a pipe dream. Vucevic isn't as good a fit as TC and his contract isn't much better. When you say "Pass" I'm assuming that makes you a stand pat guy for this year's playoff run. And we already know how that story ends.

I say pass being I'm no fan of paying Tyson Chandler 13 mill per for the next two years.

That's absolute stupidity and something a stupid team like Phoenix does.

Zero chance Ainge is trading for that contract and eliminating any shot he has at signing a big name free agent in the next two off seasons.

Absolute stupidity? Nice.

I see you ducked out of answering the question of whether you want to stand pat or offer a different big man as an alternative. Normally I'd call that a p**** move after having implied your interlocutor's absolute stupidity. But I'm in too good a mood.