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Re: Fire Brad Stevens. 

Post#221 » by JediMasterRevan » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:16 am

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playa-hater wrote:Since I see a conversation about Nesmith in this thread and comments along the lines of "he's not ready" "missed summer camp" no preseason etc,, I get all of that. And I get that I may be near the top Nesmith supporter of playing time here.

With that said, NOT once did I say he was ready or even close to ready. But in a longer more detailed response I did a month or 2 ago, I made the point about getting someone ready and using Jay Wright's philosophy of going through the growing pains process to "get the player ready faster"

Looking back now, no matter what you think of Nesmith's game/potential, there was no reason, NONE, that so many "bad"/no future players like C Edwards, T Waters, J Green, J Teague should have played over Nesmith. As I stated many times, playing players with NOT much positive production and more importantly, NO FUTURE with us was a waste.

If I wasn't so focused on our current playoff run, I would get into why Nesmith should have been given many of Semi's minutes as well.

*If you ever in your life played some serious level of BB, you would know that more playing time = more comfortable + more comfortable = better results. It really is that simple.


Here's what I don't get with this. Nesmith, as a really raw rookie has played more minutes than Javonte and more than Carsen and Tremont combined. Considering some of this minutes they probably were on the floor together in garbage time, especially in Tremont's case, the disparity is even higher. Javonte actually could play some man defense and Nesmith still saw more time than him overall. Teague was a whole different animal, he was brought in as a veteran pg and played his most minutes while Kemba was out, there was no way Nesmith was getting his minutes as he couldn't fill that role and with no Kemba the back court was kind of thin. So Brad played this raw kid more than any of the guys you mentioned when we were short handed other than Teague who was (at least was supposed to be and was starting to finally fit in before being traded) filling a role that Nesmith really couldn't so where is the problem?

I'll agree that if this season wasn't about winning he should get more minutes but that was never the case, even when we were looking bad getting better was always the focus for this team regardless of some fans weird tanking fetishes.



This season has never been about winning. There is zero xhance in a championship. I hope im wrong but lets be real. I never had them past second round, still dont.

Having tremont, edwards, semi, gran, green, semi, teague, pritchard, nesmith are not championship level players.

So then you have to look at who can become key parts to a championship team and get them the run to improve fast. Guys that were getting burn will never be those championship level pieces.

We are not winning it all, so why not get guys like nesmith run like what playa hater posted.

If i was to grade potential, nesmith is maybe a b.
Semi, javonte, edwards are f.yet alot of minutes have been wasted on those 3 and continue to be in semis case.

**** hate grant to, but thats on danny.
Just wamt some long players on the team and jot undersized players
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Post#222 » by robdog_5 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:52 am

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playa-hater wrote:Since I see a conversation about Nesmith in this thread and comments along the lines of "he's not ready" "missed summer camp" no preseason etc,, I get all of that. And I get that I may be near the top Nesmith supporter of playing time here.

With that said, NOT once did I say he was ready or even close to ready. But in a longer more detailed response I did a month or 2 ago, I made the point about getting someone ready and using Jay Wright's philosophy of going through the growing pains process to "get the player ready faster"

Looking back now, no matter what you think of Nesmith's game/potential, there was no reason, NONE, that so many "bad"/no future players like C Edwards, T Waters, J Green, J Teague should have played over Nesmith. As I stated many times, playing players with NOT much positive production and more importantly, NO FUTURE with us was a waste.

If I wasn't so focused on our current playoff run, I would get into why Nesmith should have been given many of Semi's minutes as well.

*If you ever in your life played some serious level of BB, you would know that more playing time = more comfortable + more comfortable = better results. It really is that simple.


Here's what I don't get with this. Nesmith, as a really raw rookie has played more minutes than Javonte and more than Carsen and Tremont combined. Considering some of this minutes they probably were on the floor together in garbage time, especially in Tremont's case, the disparity is even higher. Javonte actually could play some man defense and Nesmith still saw more time than him overall. Teague was a whole different animal, he was brought in as a veteran pg and played his most minutes while Kemba was out, there was no way Nesmith was getting his minutes as he couldn't fill that role and with no Kemba the back court was kind of thin. So Brad played this raw kid more than any of the guys you mentioned when we were short handed other than Teague who was (at least was supposed to be and was starting to finally fit in before being traded) filling a role that Nesmith really couldn't so where is the problem?

I'll agree that if this season wasn't about winning he should get more minutes but that was never the case, even when we were looking bad getting better was always the focus for this team regardless of some fans weird tanking fetishes.



This season has never been about winning. There is zero xhance in a championship. I hope im wrong but lets be real. I never had them past second round, still dont.

Having tremont, edwards, semi, gran, green, semi, teague, pritchard, nesmith are not championship level players.

So then you have to look at who can become key parts to a championship team and get them the run to improve fast. Guys that were getting burn will never be those championship level pieces.

We are not winning it all, so why not get guys like nesmith run like what playa hater posted.

If i was to grade potential, nesmith is maybe a b.
Semi, javonte, edwards are f.yet alot of minutes have been wasted on those 3 and continue to be in semis case.

**** hate grant to, but thats on danny.
Just wamt some long players on the team and jot undersized players


It's nice to say on a message board but your not telling your team and coach who've been to the ECF 3 of last 4 years your not good enough play young guys more. Just not happening. This isn't OKC
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Re: Fire Brad Stevens. 

Post#223 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:54 am

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This season has never been about winning. There is zero xhance in a championship. I hope im wrong but lets be real. I never had them past second round, still dont.


This season was always about winning! The team made it to 3 of the last 4 conference finals, they aren't doubling down on player development for some fringe lottery rookie because the odds aren't favoring them going into the playoffs, you still get to the playoffs and try your hardest and hope some things break your way. If you don't you build on the experience and next year you run it back. The only way you stop that is if there is no path forward to improvement but the C's are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the NBA, have all their own 1st round picks , and have 2 all stars who haven't hit their primes yet who both already have a ton of playoff experience, and are in the enviable position of maybe competing for a title in the next few seasons with a largely home drafted team rather than all this mercenary super team ****. How **** sweet would that be?

This season was never about winning, lol. I'm **** out.
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Re: Fire Brad Stevens. 

Post#224 » by JediMasterRevan » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:38 am

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JediMasterRevan wrote:
This season has never been about winning. There is zero xhance in a championship. I hope im wrong but lets be real. I never had them past second round, still dont.


This season was always about winning! The team made it to 3 of the last 4 conference finals, they aren't doubling down on player development for some fringe lottery rookie because the odds aren't favoring them going into the playoffs, you still get to the playoffs and try your hardest and hope some things break your way. If you don't you build on the experience and next year you run it back. The only way you stop that is if there is no path forward to improvement but the C's are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the NBA, have all their own 1st round picks , and have 2 all stars who haven't hit their primes yet who both already have a ton of playoff experience, and are in the enviable position of maybe competing for a title in the next few seasons with a largely home drafted team rather than all this mercenary super team ****. How **** sweet would that be?

This season was never about winning, lol. I'm **** out.



Well obviously. I didnt think I needed to break it down that far.

This team was never going to win a title, season has never been about winning a title.

Making playoffs, 2nd round threat, maybe have the stars aline and win 2 rounds. But this has never been close to a chapionship level squad from day 1.

So if you are not winning a championship you need to be building towards winning one. And player development is indeed a key part of that. As is asset retention and asset acquirement.

Until getting fournier(which is possible he is gone at end of year) the only assets acquired were pritchard, nesmith, thonpson amd teague.

That is not champonship level asset acquiring.
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Re: Fire Brad Stevens. 

Post#225 » by cloverleaf » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:28 pm

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JediMasterRevan wrote:
This season has never been about winning. There is zero xhance in a championship. I hope im wrong but lets be real. I never had them past second round, still dont.


This season was always about winning! The team made it to 3 of the last 4 conference finals, they aren't doubling down on player development for some fringe lottery rookie because the odds aren't favoring them going into the playoffs, you still get to the playoffs and try your hardest and hope some things break your way. If you don't you build on the experience and next year you run it back. The only way you stop that is if there is no path forward to improvement but the C's are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the NBA, have all their own 1st round picks , and have 2 all stars who haven't hit their primes yet who both already have a ton of playoff experience, and are in the enviable position of maybe competing for a title in the next few seasons with a largely home drafted team rather than all this mercenary super team ****. How **** sweet would that be?

This season was never about winning, lol. I'm **** out.



Well obviously. I didnt think I needed to break it down that far.

This team was never going to win a title, season has never been about winning a title.

Making playoffs, 2nd round threat, maybe have the stars aline and win 2 rounds. But this has never been close to a chapionship level squad from day 1.

So if you are not winning a championship you need to be building towards winning one. And player development is indeed a key part of that. As is asset retention and asset acquirement.

Until getting fournier(which is possible he is gone at end of year) the only assets acquired were pritchard, nesmith, thonpson amd teague.

That is not champonship level asset acquiring.


They were obviously working on asset retention in Hayward up until just before the rushed season started. But you need vets around developing kids and Danny did at least manage to upgrade his surrounding vets at the deadline--while opening up more room for player development.

Danny obviously isn't perfect, but executives are paid to make decisions with partial information and the realistic expectation is that not every such decision will work out.
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Post#226 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:13 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:Well obviously. I didnt think I needed to break it down that far.


Well, it's the internet. You type something like "This season was never about winning" in the context of the back and forth we were having and it's going to be taken as it is written. There are no other cues besides text and context and I don't think you meant to put it in a green font.
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Post#227 » by Ernest » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:08 pm

You guys still want to fire him?
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Post#228 » by BK_2020 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:26 pm

Why are you not reviving my Fire Evan Turner thread?
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Post#229 » by Ernest » Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:43 pm

It's so quiet around here? Where are all the foul weather fans when we are winning?
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Post#230 » by Bad-Thoma » Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:50 pm

Ernest wrote:It's so quiet around here? Where are all the foul weather fans when we are winning?


Ernest, let it die man. Let it die.
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Post#231 » by Ernest » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:07 pm

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Ernest wrote:It's so quiet around here? Where are all the foul weather fans when we are winning?


Ernest, let it die man. Let it die.


Why? Everyone was free to post here when we were only winning half the games. I'm kind of interested if anyone will come back and have a change of heart.

I'm sure they will just lock it at some point because it masks our forum look pretty stupid to be on such a roll and have one of the top posts being about firing the coach. But it's not like I went a dug up all the fire everyone threads from last year or trhe year before. This was still on the main page. People wanted to fire him a week ago.
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Post#232 » by jmr07019 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:20 pm

I never wanted to fire him but the man is far from perfect:

- playing Theis and Thompson over Time Lord
- playing Teague over Pritchard
- his use of the challenge generally sucks. It was nice that he won one last night. Brad admitted in post game that his record with challenges sucks
- his use of the TO to stop a run from the other team leaves a lot to be desired. I wish a reporter would ask him a question on this
- The use of the double big line ups this year

Despite all that it comes down to this. Is there a better alternative available? The answer is no. Further Brad is the type of guy who is going to analyze his own performance and work to get better over the years.
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Post#233 » by jfs1000d » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:41 pm

Amazing what happens when you have a roster that is’t always Playing.


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Post#234 » by jfs1000d » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:42 pm

jmr07019 wrote:I never wanted to fire him but the man is far from perfect:

- playing Theis and Thompson over Time Lord
- playing Teague over Pritchard
- his use of the challenge generally sucks. It was nice that he won one last night. Brad admitted in post game that his record with challenges sucks
- his use of the TO to stop a run from the other team leaves a lot to be desired. I wish a reporter would ask him a question on this
- The use of the double big line ups this year

Despite all that it comes down to this. Is there a better alternative available? The answer is no. Further Brad is the type of guy who is going to analyze his own performance and work to get better over the years.

All of this is t terrible strategy by bad. Double big lineup was our 5 best players. Timelord? He got better.


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Post#235 » by Ernest » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:53 pm

jmr07019 wrote:I never wanted to fire him but the man is far from perfect:

- playing Theis and Thompson over Time Lord
- playing Teague over Pritchard
- his use of the challenge generally sucks. It was nice that he won one last night. Brad admitted in post game that his record with challenges sucks
- his use of the TO to stop a run from the other team leaves a lot to be desired. I wish a reporter would ask him a question on this
- The use of the double big line ups this year

Despite all that it comes down to this. Is there a better alternative available? The answer is no. Further Brad is the type of guy who is going to analyze his own performance and work to get better over the years.


Yeah, but this isn't a "Brad is perfect" thread. Litterally no one has ever said he is perfect. But it feels you are really grasping at staws. When did he play Teague over PP? A few games really early on? What? You might as well add:

-Don't like his hair cut
-He can't dance
-Too thin

To your list of Brad problems because they would be about equally meaningful.
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Post#236 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:46 pm

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Post#237 » by ThirtyFour » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:51 pm

Ernest wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:I never wanted to fire him but the man is far from perfect:

- playing Theis and Thompson over Time Lord
- playing Teague over Pritchard
- his use of the challenge generally sucks. It was nice that he won one last night. Brad admitted in post game that his record with challenges sucks
- his use of the TO to stop a run from the other team leaves a lot to be desired. I wish a reporter would ask him a question on this
- The use of the double big line ups this year

Despite all that it comes down to this. Is there a better alternative available? The answer is no. Further Brad is the type of guy who is going to analyze his own performance and work to get better over the years.


Yeah, but this isn't a "Brad is perfect" thread. Litterally no one has ever said he is perfect. But it feels you are really grasping at staws. When did he play Teague over PP? A few games really early on? What? You might as well add:

-Don't like his hair cut
-He can't dance
-Too thin

To your list of Brad problems because they would be about equally meaningful.


Any *good* coach would concentrate on winning big in the 4th quarter so that Gino can do the dancing. FFS leave it to a professional Brad!! Also, if he really was going to dunkin' on the reg he'd probably weigh more. Also the haircut is very midwestern, just saying.
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Post#238 » by jirrit » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:30 pm

Ernest wrote:It's so quiet around here? Where are all the foul weather fans when we are winning?


lol you were crying about the negativity yet you ask for it?

anyway, I've still had enough of Brad, still pretty much tired of him but that's just in my nature I guess. I don't like the 'perfect' guys rarely showing emotions. I had the feeling he couldnt put enough fire in the team and I still have that feeling. I do think you need to change leaders every now and then, and I don't think Brad's the perfect leader for a title contender. He's perfect for the overachiever but we're not that team anymore.

The fact we can't have that opinion because it doesn't match your 'optimism' card says a lot btw, since I'm mostly pretty optimistic about things Celtics related.
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Post#240 » by Ernest » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:26 pm

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Ernest wrote:It's so quiet around here? Where are all the foul weather fans when we are winning?


lol you were crying about the negativity yet you ask for it?

anyway, I've still had enough of Brad, still pretty much tired of him but that's just in my nature I guess. I don't like the 'perfect' guys rarely showing emotions. I had the feeling he couldnt put enough fire in the team and I still have that feeling. I do think you need to change leaders every now and then, and I don't think Brad's the perfect leader for a title contender. He's perfect for the overachiever but we're not that team anymore.

The fact we can't have that opinion because it doesn't match your 'optimism' card says a lot btw, since I'm mostly pretty optimistic about things Celtics related.


You can have any opinion you want buddy. My guess was that few would come out and stand by their fire Brad bumper stickers amid a 6 game win streak. But as soon as we lose I'm a cry baby band you are not allowed to have opinions? Okie Dokey.

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