Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[ddb]

Hate to say it, but if this was a true crisis, we wouldn’t have wide open borders and be shipping untested/unvaccinated people all over the country. Period.
Follow the money. Follow the inconsistencies. Follow the “rules for thee, but not for me”. Follow the contradictions.
Covid is real. I’m not denying that. But the vaccine push has been very clear from the very beginning. The techniques to bribes to mandates to whatever comes next is bizarre.
Look at what’s working in India right now. What are they all taking?
Anyway, I could go on and on and on.

Enjoy the weekend everyone. Celtics basketball is right around the corner.

[SuperDeluxe]

I wanted to know if the person died OF Covid or WITH Covid.

No, you were trolling. You know very well that the person died OF covid, otherwise I wouldn't even have brought it up.

So here's a short list of your record, in chronological order:
- You've tried to pass, for years, as a basketball insider. I don't remember a single bit of your insider's information that proved to be true. You just throw **** at the wall and hope that some will stick. Nothing ever sticks. The most recent inside news you "broke" (Beal's imminent trade request, a couple of months ago) still hasn't happened.
- You've made multiple anti-Semitic posts.
- You've trolled this thread with misinformation, ignorance, selfishness and a complete lack of empathy, including asking for the thread to be locked because it's divisive. (The only divisive factor is people who don't respect others. And please stop with the idiotic "Ex started it" -- you set the forest on fire, now deal with the firemen's expletives. Plus, it's ironic that you're crying about name-calling, as you've been warned for name-calling multiple times in the past.)

You're still ignoring the question that FarFromBoston reminded you of above. This says it all about your intentions here. All in all, it looks like you're an attention whore, and an ignorant, anti-Semitic troll.

[Bad-Thoma]

Enjoy the weekend everyone.

[coach mang]

gentlemens please... we are all one kkeltic nation under kalife... on that we can all agree. lest we let our tru enemies round th'association see us squabble in such public fashion

shall we instead follow the example set forth by the great dr satoshi omura?

let us begin the era of unity and healing right here right now

when we are guided by love we can never lose




kkeltic pride shall neva die
just multipry

[Bad-Thoma]

I wanted to know if the person died OF Covid or WITH Covid.

No, you were trolling. You know very well that the person died OF covid, otherwise I wouldn't even have brought it up.

So here's a short list of your record, in chronological order:
- You've tried to pass, for years, as a basketball insider. I don't remember a single bit of your insider's information that proved to be true. You just throw **** at the wall and hope that some will stick. Nothing ever sticks. The most recent inside news you "broke" (Beal's imminent trade request, a couple of months ago) still hasn't happened.
- You've made multiple anti-Semitic posts.
- You've trolled this thread with misinformation, ignorance, selfishness and a complete lack of empathy, including asking for the thread to be locked because it's divisive. (The only divisive factor is people who don't respect others. And please stop with the idiotic "Ex started it" -- you set the forest on fire, now deal with the firemen's expletives. Plus, it's ironic that you're crying about name-calling, as you've been warned for name-calling multiple times in the past.)

You're still ignoring the question that FarFromBoston reminded you of above. This says it all about your intentions here. All in all, it looks like you're an attention whore, and an ignorant, anti-Semitic troll.

I love the disingenuous, ignorant question followed by the "I just wanted to know" innocence act. It fits his general tactic of asking stupid questions and then when people answer them mostly just ignoring it and moving the goal post to something new while never offering jack **** in the way of substance in his arguments. But hey, now we're all "attacking him" so he can play the victim card and tell us to have a nice weekend. He's just smart enough to be an effective troll but not smart enough to realize he's an effective troll.

[Parliament10]

:nod:

They died of Covid? Or with Covid?

ddb, you're going overboard.
Calm it down, please.

~ Parl

The Vaccine supremacist are coming at me hard.

Insulting other posters concerning Family Deaths, related to COVID.
That's not enough for you?

Now you want to jump on the Mods too, for admonishing you?
You need a Vacation from this Board.

~ Parl

[Parliament10]

We don't have to be friends. But, let's at least be Friendly.
It goes without saying for most of us. But, let me say it anyway, for the ones in the balcony.

Back-end snide comments about relatives, or close friends COVID Deaths; is an Obvious NO-NO.

~ Parl

[Tatumfor2]

So many of these posts say what I want to say for me, so thank you for that! I'm especially appreciative of the info you share Ex. Some people mentioned common decency and that's what has always gotten to me when it comes to "anti" this or that when it comes to Coviid. I'll ask that contingent this and hope they respond:

Would you wear a mask if you knew with 100% certainty not wearing one would kill people? Presuming the answer is yes, then why wouldn't you wear one when there's any other percentage of chance it would save someone? Because it's uncomfortable? Against your rights? It's a hoax? This all leaves you so far from "decent" you might as well answer no to the initial question.

[Curmudgeon]

On a slightly different tack, can anyone explain what the FDA and the CDC are doing? Why are they so resistant to booster shots for everyone? There's plenty of vaccine: thousands of doses are being discarded unused, and the data uniformly shows that the vaccine works and the boosters work. Why so resistant to vaccinating all ages? And why has the approval process for vaccines been so slow, especially by the FDA? I sense that there is a political agenda at work, or maybe an inherent dislike of big pharma.

[Bad-Thoma]

On a slightly different tack, can anyone explain what the FDA and the CDC are doing? Why are they so resistant to booster shots for everyone? There's plenty of vaccine: thousands of doses are being discarded unused, and the data uniformly shows that the vaccine works and the boosters work. Why so resistant to vaccinating all ages? And why has the approval process for vaccines been so slow, especially by the FDA? I sense that there is a political agenda at work, or maybe an inherent dislike of big pharma.

I'm guessing it's a cost/benefit decision. If the booster isn't making a statistically significant difference to people under 65 being hospitalized or worse (i.e. the original shot pair is working good enough) then there is no need to deal with the logistics and costs of distributing it even if it's as simple as using the same vax that's already manufactured and purchased(?). If for people older (or compromised) than 65 the benefit is larger then it's worth the cost. For me it's more evidence that the original vaccine pairs are doing their job.

[Curmudgeon]

What logistics and costs? Anyone with insurance (or cash or a credit card) can walk into CVS and get a shot. There's plenty of vaccine to go around and the private sector can handle the logistics just fine. There are very few problems that a little capitalism can't solve.

Why can't the FDA just say that, while the numbers are inconclusive so far, anyone who wants a booster should feel free to get one? Why do you have to be 65? And why are we throwing away doses when they could be going into people's arms?

The reality is that most folks are going to need an annual booster, just like your flu shot. Why is this such a difficult concept?

And if the U.S. government really cared about the rest of the world, it should find a way to suspend patent protection of the vaccines until the pandemic is over. There are dozens of countries with the capability of manufacturing the vaccines if they had the formula and were legally free to do so.

[jordb2k7]

I wanted to know if the person died OF Covid or WITH Covid.

No, you were trolling. You know very well that the person died OF covid, otherwise I wouldn't even have brought it up.

So here's a short list of your record, in chronological order:
- You've tried to pass, for years, as a basketball insider. I don't remember a single bit of your insider's information that proved to be true. You just throw **** at the wall and hope that some will stick. Nothing ever sticks. The most recent inside news you "broke" (Beal's imminent trade request, a couple of months ago) still hasn't happened.
- You've made multiple anti-Semitic posts.
- You've trolled this thread with misinformation, ignorance, selfishness and a complete lack of empathy, including asking for the thread to be locked because it's divisive. (The only divisive factor is people who don't respect others. And please stop with the idiotic "Ex started it" -- you set the forest on fire, now deal with the firemen's expletives. Plus, it's ironic that you're crying about name-calling, as you've been warned for name-calling multiple times in the past.)

You're still ignoring the question that FarFromBoston reminded you of above. This says it all about your intentions here. All in all, it looks like you're an attention whore, and an ignorant, anti-Semitic troll.

I love the disingenuous, ignorant question followed by the "I just wanted to know" innocence act. It fits his general tactic of asking stupid questions and then when people answer them mostly just ignoring it and moving the goal post to something new while never offering jack **** in the way of substance in his arguments. But hey, now we're all "attacking him" so he can play the victim card and tell us to have a nice weekend. He's just smart enough to be an effective troll but not smart enough to realize he's an effective troll.

Two parts here to unpack first off the “just asking questions” deal is straight out of Tucker Carlsons playbook. He doesn’t answer the responses. Several of his posts are disingenuous and often he’s not making the point he thinks he’s making. It’s amazing how these guys are going full circle we are back to scaring everyone with illegal immigrants again. You know who scares me a lot more than immigrants? Anti vaccine conservatives and the trumpers that marched on our capitol.

Second I think he tries to take credit for breaking the KG trade when it was Celtic Thug. There’s no need to waste time with him

[Andrew McCeltic]

What logistics and costs? Anyone with insurance (or cash or a credit card) can walk into CVS and get a shot. There's plenty of vaccine to go around and the private sector can handle the logistics just fine. There are very few problems that a little capitalism can't solve.

Why can't the FDA just say that, while the numbers are inconclusive so far, anyone who wants a booster should feel free to get one? Why do you have to be 65? And why are we throwing away doses when they could be going into people's arms?

The reality is that most folks are going to need an annual booster, just like your flu shot. Why is this such a difficult concept?

And if the U.S. government really cared about the rest of the world, it should find a way to suspend patent protection of the vaccines until the pandemic is over. There are dozens of countries with the capability of manufacturing the vaccines if they had the formula and were legally free to do so.

Reasonable questions. The initial vax rollout started with elderly people and moved down, it's possible that'll be the same strategy with boosters..

Biggest risk of an escape variant is global, doesn't matter if we inoculate 100 percent here. Delta didn't start in the U.S.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Y’all are paranoid. Go live a normal life and stop the nonsense.
#followthemoney

I don't want to start sh*t up, I missed some drama here. But, very gently, very, just the tip of disagreement: "follow the money" can be a. little paranoid. too. It's hard. for all of us to have faith in institutions, social systems, politics we don't have direct access to.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I. actually published in that, proud moment

[Andrew McCeltic]

The second question depends on what you mean by "natural immunity." If it means reinfection of those who have already had covid (and thus are presumed to have some immunity to further infection) that's probably doable if someone is collecting good data on reinfections. If you mean answering the question, why some people just haven't gotten covid, that's impossible. Too many variables and potential intervening causes.

I answered the second question a few posts again.

“Debate Is Over: COVID Vax Doubled Protection for the Previously Infected” | MedPage Today

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93940

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/956194

Ok doc, one question:

I have zero vax. fears personally, I got two jabs. But I try to. empathize with people who. are nervous, especially about mRNA. Like, the. history of vaccines is pretty good, side effects show up quick and bad batches get caught quickly. There was just one. in Japan where. there. were (harmless) stainless steel fragments, I think, in the mix. Excep* I do remember like, thalidomide - the wonder drug becomes the dangerous one.

It seems like, as much as we understand the enormous systemic complexity of the human body at the genetic and cellular and proteomic level at all, we have some grasp of how mRNA works, the concept of an mRNA vax was theorized and experimented with for years, there were trials I assume in mice etc. And "the vax changes your DNA" is nonsense like the micro-chip stuff. BUT: is there *any* chance that. providing alien instructions by mRNA to manufacture spike proteins could disrupt biological processes in some unexpected, unpredicted way that could manifest long-term? Like, rates of lung cancer .2 percent higher in people who. got the Pfizer over three decades?

[canman1971]

Hundreds of thousands of people are dying. I still don’t understand why this is even a debate.

[Green89]

What logistics and costs? Anyone with insurance (or cash or a credit card) can walk into CVS and get a shot. There's plenty of vaccine to go around and the private sector can handle the logistics just fine. There are very few problems that a little capitalism can't solve.

Why can't the FDA just say that, while the numbers are inconclusive so far, anyone who wants a booster should feel free to get one? Why do you have to be 65? And why are we throwing away doses when they could be going into people's arms?

The reality is that most folks are going to need an annual booster, just like your flu shot. Why is this such a difficult concept?

And if the U.S. government really cared about the rest of the world, it should find a way to suspend patent protection of the vaccines until the pandemic is over. There are dozens of countries with the capability of manufacturing the vaccines if they had the formula and were legally free to do so.

Maybe they want them to focus on a new vaccine, tweaked for variants, rather than redistribute the same one again?

[exculpatory]

The second question depends on what you mean by "natural immunity." If it means reinfection of those who have already had covid (and thus are presumed to have some immunity to further infection) that's probably doable if someone is collecting good data on reinfections. If you mean answering the question, why some people just haven't gotten covid, that's impossible. Too many variables and potential intervening causes.

I answered the second question a few posts again.

“Debate Is Over: COVID Vax Doubled Protection for the Previously Infected” | MedPage Today

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93940

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/956194

Ok doc, one question:

I have zero vax. fears personally, I got two jabs. But I try to. empathize with people who. are nervous, especially about mRNA. Like, the. history of vaccines is pretty good, side effects show up quick and bad batches get caught quickly. There was just one. in Japan where. there. were (harmless) stainless steel fragments, I think, in the mix. Excep* I do remember like, thalidomide - the wonder drug becomes the dangerous one.

It seems like, as much as we understand the enormous systemic complexity of the human body at the genetic and cellular and proteomic level at all, we have some grasp of how mRNA works, the concept of an mRNA vax was theorized and experimented with for years, there were trials I assume in mice etc. And "the vax changes your DNA" is nonsense like the micro-chip stuff. BUT: is there *any* chance that. providing alien instructions by mRNA to manufacture spike proteins could disrupt biological processes in some unexpected, unpredicted way that could manifest long-term? Like, rates of lung cancer .2 percent higher in people who. got the Pfizer over three decades?

I highly highly highly highly doubt it - bur WTF knows in 3 decades.

[exculpatory]

What logistics and costs? Anyone with insurance (or cash or a credit card) can walk into CVS and get a shot. There's plenty of vaccine to go around and the private sector can handle the logistics just fine. There are very few problems that a little capitalism can't solve.

Why can't the FDA just say that, while the numbers are inconclusive so far, anyone who wants a booster should feel free to get one? Why do you have to be 65? And why are we throwing away doses when they could be going into people's arms?

The reality is that most folks are going to need an annual booster, just like your flu shot. Why is this such a difficult concept?

And if the U.S. government really cared about the rest of the world, it should find a way to suspend patent protection of the vaccines until the pandemic is over. There are dozens of countries with the capability of manufacturing the vaccines if they had the formula and were legally free to do so.

1. The initial vax rollout started with elderly people and moved down, it's possible that'll be the same strategy with boosters..

2. Biggest risk of an escape variant is global, doesn't matter if we inoculate 100 percent here. Delta didn't start in the U.S.

1. True. And, at this moment in time, the data best support efficacy & safety of the booster in people >60-65, & the immunocompromised/people in high risk groups of any age. The rest probably will follow down the road a bit. See the links from the latest NEJM I posted above.

2. True. Global vax is very insufficient. This must change.

3. There WILL be a tweaked mRNA vaccine in several months.

4. I have run out of empathy for the willfully ignorant and/or dumb as a **** tree stump unvaccinated.
And so have an enormous number of docs.

'Empathy Fatigue' in Clinicians Rises With Latest COVID-19 Surge

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958890