Jayson Tatum Thread – (All-NBA Team, 2024)

[keevsnick1]

Tatum averaged 3 ppg on 24% shooting in the 4th quarter for this series, which I think backs up the point that he was simply running out of gas. Well that and the fact he was front rimming every jumper.

I think getting another 3+D wing with a little scoring punch would be nice, just to save Tatum some minutes in the regular season. That and get him more rets days (not having the Olympics will help).

[TommyPointGawd]

It was tough to watch last night, but I think this will help him in the future. Failure is the greatest teacher or pain lol. He had a historic playoff run and its insane that trolls come out the moment he comes up short. I'm all for criticism but some of y'all are just emotional. This place is going to be trash for the next couple weeks. At least he has a highly paid PR team on this board to defend him.

[stepbackj34]

Again the point that went over your head is that Tatum at 24 is first team all nba....something pierce never was and unequivocally the best player on a finals team- again something pierce never was.

You are making this a knock on pierce because you likely still have his poster up in your room - when it’s more about how advanced Tatum is already at such an early age. Pierce is an all time great Celtic and a killer. Super clutch.

But Tatum is well ahead of him already and by the time he’s 30, 31,32, the age pierce was when he finally went on deep deep extended runs consistently this won’t even be a debate.

Tatum has to be better. Has to be. But he’s already ahead of the curve. Pierce was also questioned about his maturity leadership etc before kg and that’s exactly what I’m trying to remind people of.

Again, trash posting. The 22 Celtics “core”, or starting 5 were stacked whether you like it or not.

Smart-DOPY/All defensive 1st team
Brown- all star- top 5 SG- averaged 24/6/3 on 48/38 the last two seasons.
Hortford- Multi time all star vet big man, former all defensive team & all nba player
Williams- All defensive 2nd team-nearly averaged a double with 2 blocks per game

This is clearly better than any supporting cast Pierce had prior to the big 3 era.

2002-2007 Celtics opening day starting line-ups
Antoine Walker
Eric Williams
Kenny Anderson
Tony Battie

Walker
Eric Williams
Tony Delk
Tony Battie

Mike James
Vin Baker
Kendrick Brown
Mark Blount

Gary Payton
Ricky Davis
Mari Blount
Raef Lafrentz

Delonte West
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
Raef Lafrentz

Telfair
Delonte West
Schzbiak
Kendrick Perkins

Forget Tatum, what player is carrying any of these roster to the finals in place of Pierce? Jordan? Kobe? Lebron?

Try being “unequivocally” the best player on a team full of D-League level players and see how deep you go in the playoffs.

And enough with this first team nonsense. Tatum would never make 1st team in the 00s or 10s. Or do you believe he would make 1st team over PRIME Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Bron & KD?

You completely just don’t understand the point....another poster brought up Tatum in relation to other all nba level Celtics. Clearly he’s not bird. So the next logical wing is Pierce. brought up all of pierces criticism’s pre title as a comparison for those saying Tatum can’t be the guy or can’t get it done- it’s actually a compliment to Pierce while also reminding everyone how great Tatum has been so young.

It’s clear you are just a Pierce homer, which I get as I was and am too but I can also realize how good Tatum is. Pierce was never ever unquestionably the best player on a finals team. That’s just facts. He also was never first team all nba. Again facts. He only made second team once. That said he’s an all time great legend who I’m glad I got to see play at his peak and all time great celtic. Top 50 ever. Go see the rarified air Tatum is in already compared to other legends.

This team isn’t stacked at all.....lol. U wanna say it’s better than any roster pre big 3 Pierce had? Ok...it still doesn’t change the fact again that Pierce was never ever ever unquestioned the best player on a finals team. This team is home for a month already if Middleton is healthy.

It’s a really good team. Real good starting 5. Not stacked at allllllllllllllllllllll. They went 8 deep in the finals and the bench suckeddddd. A major reason they are in the finals is because of Tatum’s performance in previous series. Now Tatum has to be much much better on the biggest stages like the finals- and would I love him having some of pierces swag and balls? Sure. but just because you love Pierce doesn’t mean you are correct.

Team is a good team. Ain’t stacked. And again post all the rosters you want.....Pierce never was the best player without a doubt on those finals teams.

You completely avoided the questions i asked. Again, garbage posting. You are entitled to your opinions though.

[MagicBagley18]

Again, trash posting. The 22 Celtics “core”, or starting 5 were stacked whether you like it or not.

Smart-DOPY/All defensive 1st team
Brown- all star- top 5 SG- averaged 24/6/3 on 48/38 the last two seasons.
Hortford- Multi time all star vet big man, former all defensive team & all nba player
Williams- All defensive 2nd team-nearly averaged a double with 2 blocks per game

This is clearly better than any supporting cast Pierce had prior to the big 3 era.

2002-2007 Celtics opening day starting line-ups
Antoine Walker
Eric Williams
Kenny Anderson
Tony Battie

Walker
Eric Williams
Tony Delk
Tony Battie

Mike James
Vin Baker
Kendrick Brown
Mark Blount

Gary Payton
Ricky Davis
Mari Blount
Raef Lafrentz

Delonte West
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
Raef Lafrentz

Telfair
Delonte West
Schzbiak
Kendrick Perkins

Forget Tatum, what player is carrying any of these roster to the finals in place of Pierce? Jordan? Kobe? Lebron?

Try being “unequivocally” the best player on a team full of D-League level players and see how deep you go in the playoffs.

And enough with this first team nonsense. Tatum would never make 1st team in the 00s or 10s. Or do you believe he would make 1st team over PRIME Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Bron & KD?

You completely just don’t understand the point....another poster brought up Tatum in relation to other all nba level Celtics. Clearly he’s not bird. So the next logical wing is Pierce. brought up all of pierces criticism’s pre title as a comparison for those saying Tatum can’t be the guy or can’t get it done- it’s actually a compliment to Pierce while also reminding everyone how great Tatum has been so young.

It’s clear you are just a Pierce homer, which I get as I was and am too but I can also realize how good Tatum is. Pierce was never ever unquestionably the best player on a finals team. That’s just facts. He also was never first team all nba. Again facts. He only made second team once. That said he’s an all time great legend who I’m glad I got to see play at his peak and all time great celtic. Top 50 ever. Go see the rarified air Tatum is in already compared to other legends.

This team isn’t stacked at all.....lol. U wanna say it’s better than any roster pre big 3 Pierce had? Ok...it still doesn’t change the fact again that Pierce was never ever ever unquestioned the best player on a finals team. This team is home for a month already if Middleton is healthy.

It’s a really good team. Real good starting 5. Not stacked at allllllllllllllllllllll. They went 8 deep in the finals and the bench suckeddddd. A major reason they are in the finals is because of Tatum’s performance in previous series. Now Tatum has to be much much better on the biggest stages like the finals- and would I love him having some of pierces swag and balls? Sure. but just because you love Pierce doesn’t mean you are correct.

Team is a good team. Ain’t stacked. And again post all the rosters you want.....Pierce never was the best player without a doubt on those finals teams.

You completely avoided the questions i asked. Again, garbage posting. You are entitled to your opinions though.

I don’t need to he just made 1st team all nba over Kevin Durant lebron James and others. Go back to sleeping in your Paul Pierce undies and kick rocks. Your question also completely disregards the fact that when Pierce DID have a championship team he wasn’t the best player hands down.....lol.

Tatum with this “stacked” roster (by your own definition) is.

[stepbackj34]

You completely just don’t understand the point....another poster brought up Tatum in relation to other all nba level Celtics. Clearly he’s not bird. So the next logical wing is Pierce. brought up all of pierces criticism’s pre title as a comparison for those saying Tatum can’t be the guy or can’t get it done- it’s actually a compliment to Pierce while also reminding everyone how great Tatum has been so young.

It’s clear you are just a Pierce homer, which I get as I was and am too but I can also realize how good Tatum is. Pierce was never ever unquestionably the best player on a finals team. That’s just facts. He also was never first team all nba. Again facts. He only made second team once. That said he’s an all time great legend who I’m glad I got to see play at his peak and all time great celtic. Top 50 ever. Go see the rarified air Tatum is in already compared to other legends.

This team isn’t stacked at all.....lol. U wanna say it’s better than any roster pre big 3 Pierce had? Ok...it still doesn’t change the fact again that Pierce was never ever ever unquestioned the best player on a finals team. This team is home for a month already if Middleton is healthy.

It’s a really good team. Real good starting 5. Not stacked at allllllllllllllllllllll. They went 8 deep in the finals and the bench suckeddddd. A major reason they are in the finals is because of Tatum’s performance in previous series. Now Tatum has to be much much better on the biggest stages like the finals- and would I love him having some of pierces swag and balls? Sure. but just because you love Pierce doesn’t mean you are correct.

Team is a good team. Ain’t stacked. And again post all the rosters you want.....Pierce never was the best player without a doubt on those finals teams.

You completely avoided the questions i asked. Again, garbage posting. You are entitled to your opinions though.

I don’t need to he just made 1st team all nba over Kevin Durant lebron James and others. Go back to sleeping in your Paul Pierce undies and kick rocks. Your question also completely disregards the fact that when Pierce DID have a championship team he wasn’t the best player hands down.....lol.

Tatum with this “stacked” roster (by your own definition) is.

Yes Tatum had tough competition for 1st team this season. Year 18/age 37 Lebron who played 56 games. Year 15/age 33 KD who played 55 games. Klaw who played 0 games this season. AD who played 40 games. And of course Ginnias who received every possible 1st team vote.

VS PRIME
00s
Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, T-Mac, Lebron, Carmelo
10s
Bron Ginnias Melo KD Klaw AD

Tatum would never make 1st team in the 00s or 10s

But you knew that. You’re a great poster, they should make you mod.

[MagicBagley18]

You completely avoided the questions i asked. Again, garbage posting. You are entitled to your opinions though.

I don’t need to he just made 1st team all nba over Kevin Durant lebron James and others. Go back to sleeping in your Paul Pierce undies and kick rocks. Your question also completely disregards the fact that when Pierce DID have a championship team he wasn’t the best player hands down.....lol.

Tatum with this “stacked” roster (by your own definition) is.

Yes Tatum had tough competition for 1st team this season. Year 18/age 37 Lebron who played 56 games. Year 15/age 33 KD who played 55 games. Klaw who played 0 games this season. AD who played 40 games. And of course Ginnias who received every possible 1st team vote.

VS PRIME
00s
Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, T-Mac, Lebron, Carmelo
10s
Bron Ginnias Melo KD Klaw AD

Tatum would never make 1st team in the 00s or 10s

But you knew that. You’re a great poster, they should make you mod.

I guess I’m old enough to remember when Tatum out played a healthy KD in a playoff series about 2 months ago...I guess we also forget that Tatum played about as close to giannis as one can in the second round while almost matching him game 6 to keep the season alive.

again when Pierce had a championship team he still WAS NOT the teams best player undisputed hands down. Cry about it, diminish eras or do whatever mental gymnastics you need to do but it doesn’t change that fact. You bringing up players that are clearly better than Pierce doesn’t help him in this argument it just validates that maybe you overrate him.

you bringing up the **** rosters he played with before kg- means nothing when we know that when he got a championship team around him he still was not clearly the best player on a finals teams and that has zero to do with all nba. Go in your room take off the truth headband, take off the “I called game” undies and wash your face.

[BK_2020]

Let's bring up some Paul Pierce gems now that he's been brought up as this warrior who refused to let his team lose. In the 2010 finals, Pierce had games where he scored 10 on 2-11 shooting, 13 on 6-14, 15 on 5-15. The Celtics were up 3-2 but lost the final 2 games in no small part because Pierce came up small.
In 2008, Pierce scored 17 on 4-13 shooting in game 7. Luckily KG and Ray Allen played out of their minds and blew out the Lakers.
In 2009, Pierce scored 16 on 4-13 shooting in game 7 against Orlando.

[zoyathedestroya]

Mentioned it months ago, best way to defend Tatum/Cs offense is to NOT double/blitz/trap JT up top or beyond the arc. He's gotten really good at giving up the ball early so our ball movement from the 4-on-3 advantage gets going. Smart defenses like MIA and GSW will just put their best wing defender on him. They try to fight against the switch. If JT gets the switch he wants, just wait for him to get in the paint, crowd him there, and clog passing angles. Time off the clock with the ball going out instead of deeper into the paint or force TO/heavily contested shot. Cs never really found a consistent counter to this type of defense against the Dubs.

Dunno if it's possible but adding Dame/Steph range and a deadly midrange pullup (ala KD/DDR) could be good counters as a scoring threat.

[CelticsPride18]

Mentioned it months ago, best way to defend Tatum/Cs offense is to NOT double/blitz/trap JT up top or beyond the arc. He's gotten really good at giving up the ball early so our ball movement from the 4-on-3 advantage gets going. Smart defenses like MIA and GSW will just put their best wing defender on him. They try to fight against the switch. If JT gets the switch he wants, just wait for him to get in the paint, crowd him there, and clog passing angles. Time off the clock with the ball going out instead of deeper into the paint or force TO/heavily contested shot. Cs never really found a consistent counter to this type of defense against the Dubs.

Dunno if it's possible but adding Dame/Steph range and a deadly midrange pullup (ala KD/DDR) could be good counters as a scoring threat.

This is a series he should have spammed the sidestep 3’s. That was the only weapon that was working for him. He could easily shoot over everybody.

[BK_2020]

Mentioned it months ago, best way to defend Tatum/Cs offense is to NOT double/blitz/trap JT up top or beyond the arc. He's gotten really good at giving up the ball early so our ball movement from the 4-on-3 advantage gets going. Smart defenses like MIA and GSW will just put their best wing defender on him. They try to fight against the switch. If JT gets the switch he wants, just wait for him to get in the paint, crowd him there, and clog passing angles. Time off the clock with the ball going out instead of deeper into the paint or force TO/heavily contested shot. Cs never really found a consistent counter to this type of defense against the Dubs.

Dunno if it's possible but adding Dame/Steph range and a deadly midrange pullup (ala KD/DDR) could be good counters as a scoring threat.

This is a series he should have spammed the sidestep 3’s. That was the only weapon that was working for him. He could easily shoot over everybody.

He did tie for 10th all time in threes made in a finals series. Above him are multiple Curry and Klay seasons, one Ray Allen and one Danny Green.

[stepbackj34]

Let's bring up some Paul Pierce gems now that he's been brought up as his warrior who refused to let his team lose. In the 2010 finals, Pierce had games where he scored 10 on 2-11 shooting, 13 on 6-14, 15 on 5-15. The Celtics were up 3-2 but lost the final 2 games in no small part because Pierce came up small.
In 2008, Pierce scored 17 on 4-13 shooting in game 7. Luckily KG and Ray Allen played out of their minds and blew out the Lakers.
In 2009, Pierce scored 16 on 4-13 shooting in game 7 against Orlando.

Why are you still here? KG hasnt played for the Celtics in nearly 10 years… but i’ll humor you.

08-Pierce was finals mvp, unanimously. Unanimously. I dont know what point you are trying to make? He didnt knock down shots in a blowout? If I remember correctly he had 17/10. That game did lower his FG% for the series but he was still voted fmvp unanimously. Deal with it.

In 09 the magic doubled Pierce most of the series. That loss is on Doc for not making adjustments. The Magic werent able to double Pierce next year so like he usually did playing the Magic, he torched them all series.

2010 nobody was great. Again thats on Doc. 3-2 lead, you gotta have the guys ready to play game 6. But while you are at it pull up KGs & Ray numbers during that 2010 finals as well.

[BK_2020]

Let's bring up some Paul Pierce gems now that he's been brought up as his warrior who refused to let his team lose. In the 2010 finals, Pierce had games where he scored 10 on 2-11 shooting, 13 on 6-14, 15 on 5-15. The Celtics were up 3-2 but lost the final 2 games in no small part because Pierce came up small.
In 2008, Pierce scored 17 on 4-13 shooting in game 7. Luckily KG and Ray Allen played out of their minds and blew out the Lakers.
In 2009, Pierce scored 16 on 4-13 shooting in game 7 against Orlando.

Why are you still here? KG hasnt played for the Celtics in nearly 10 years… but i’ll humor you.

08-Pierce was finals mvp, unanimously. Unanimously. I dont know what point you are trying to make? He didnt knock down shots in a blowout? If I remember correctly he had 17/10. That game did lower his FG% for the series but he was still voted fmvp unanimously. Deal with it.

In 09 the magic doubled Pierce most of the series. That loss is on Doc for not making adjustments. The Magic werent able to double Pierce next year so like he usually did playing the Magic, he torched them all series.

2010 nobody was great. Again thats on Doc. 3-2 lead, you gotta have the guys ready to play game 6. But while you are at it pull up KGs & Ray numbers during that 2010 finals as well.

In 2011 elimination game against Miami, Pierce shot 7-18 for 19. His TS% was a putrid .490. The series before that, in elimination game 7 against Philly, Pierce was 6-14 for 15 points. .490 TS% again.
I don't know what you were watching but the Pierce I watched was not some ultimate leader who stepped up in big games.

[zoyathedestroya]

Mentioned it months ago, best way to defend Tatum/Cs offense is to NOT double/blitz/trap JT up top or beyond the arc. He's gotten really good at giving up the ball early so our ball movement from the 4-on-3 advantage gets going. Smart defenses like MIA and GSW will just put their best wing defender on him. They try to fight against the switch. If JT gets the switch he wants, just wait for him to get in the paint, crowd him there, and clog passing angles. Time off the clock with the ball going out instead of deeper into the paint or force TO/heavily contested shot. Cs never really found a consistent counter to this type of defense against the Dubs.

Dunno if it's possible but adding Dame/Steph range and a deadly midrange pullup (ala KD/DDR) could be good counters as a scoring threat.

This is a series he should have spammed the sidestep 3’s. That was the only weapon that was working for him. He could easily shoot over everybody.

...esp when Rob was in for offensive boards. He makes a few of those threes in a row and Dubs are forced to send double teams. Get that ball moving again instead of playing in mud and trying to force it inside.

[Feed Your Head]

My biggest frustration with Tatum this series was his reluctance to pull up from three. All series he tried to make the “right play”, but the warriors were playing for him to drive, and they did an excellent job clogging the passing lanes and also recovering back out to the shooters. Sometimes the right play is taking the first good look available, sometimes it’s forcing shots. We saw KD/Kyrie do it, we saw Giannis do it, we saw Steph and Klay do it.

He had a legitimately crap series, and while I think the shoulder/fatigue played a part, Tatum also made it harder on himself. But this is the kind of crap that keeps teams led by 23/24 year olds from making deep runs. He failed in the finals, and hopefully it drives him to reach even another level, which I’d expect it to.

Hopefully he takes a month to just chill and decompress, he’s played the most basketball of any nba player the last two years, and by A LOT.

[CelticsPride18]

My biggest frustration with Tatum this series was his reluctance to pull up from three. All series he tried to make the “right play”, but the warriors were playing for him to drive, and they did an excellent job clogging the passing lanes and also recovering back out to the shooters. Sometimes the right play is taking the first good look available, sometimes it’s forcing shots. We saw KD/Kyrie do it, we saw Giannis do it, we saw Steph and Klay do it.

He had a legitimately crap series, and while I think the shoulder/fatigue played a part, Tatum also made it harder on himself. But this is the kind of crap that keeps teams led by 23/24 year olds from making deep runs. He failed in the finals, and hopefully it drives him to reach even another level, which I’d expect it to.

Hopefully he takes a month to just chill and decompress, he’s played the most basketball of any nba player the last two years, and by A LOT.

He shot 45% from 3 on 7 attempts per game. Should have shot at least 10 per game.

[BostonCouchGM]

if he in fact had a shoulder injury like surmised and he not only played through it but didn't use it as an excuse, you must give him some props/respect. And him hurting his shoulder 4-6 weeks ago then exacerbating it in the MIA series and again in this series lines up with his shooting struggles. He was already slumping with his shot (I believe it was due to putting on muscle in the offseason) so that couldn't have helped. He's just 24 y/o though he's seasoned enough so this shouldn't be used as an excuse and hopefully this becomes motivation for him to tighten up the handle and work on finishing to complete his development. He'll need it because teams going forward will attack him like the Warriors did

[zoyathedestroya]

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[poopship]

The obsession with how injuries are presented is nuts. People, fans and media, are saying a players injury does not matter and shouldn't be used as an excuse if he is on the floor. Is impairment of limb function like a shoulder or ankle not expected to affect how you perform in basketball? There is no real reason to make these mental gymnastics! You're having a macho or whatever other toxic cultural lens on sports and it's impairing your logical thinking.

[poopship]

I thought he made some improvements moving off the ball. Namely in relocating to a good spot to get the ball back or just create space with his gravity. I'm guessing there is no tracking of this?

[BK_2020]

I thought he made some improvements moving off the ball. Namely in relocating to a good spot to get the ball back or just create space with his gravity. I'm guessing there is no tracking of this?

There's probably a way to measure it (just have a video person go through every offensive possession) but there's none available to the public. I suppose on/off metrics broadly measures off-ball gravity.