Craft your 2022-23 Celtics Roster – (20-Man Off-Season)

[hugepatsfan]

Guys we're not getting Gobert or Mitchell lmfao... It's possible we use the TPE to get enough salary here that we can match on someone like that. But putting together the actual assets to make a team give a player like that to us is a whole different story.

You're probably looking at a good, not great player someone just wants salary relief of, like JRich last year for example. Then you trade that player with a pick attached for someone like Derrick White. Or add multiple picks and maybe get someone a little better. Think like Jerami Grant or John Collins.

If Brown+ could be turned into Gobert and Anunoby, I'd have to at least think about it. Depends on Rob's health really, because if he can't play solid minutes going forward they are going to have a huge hole in the front court.

Yeah, if we move Brown then lots of possibilities open but that's not really the context of what people are saying.

[BK_2020]

Guys we're not getting Gobert or Mitchell lmfao... It's possible we use the TPE to get enough salary here that we can match on someone like that. But putting together the actual assets to make a team give a player like that to us is a whole different story.

You're probably looking at a good, not great player someone just wants salary relief of, like JRich last year for example. Then you trade that player with a pick attached for someone like Derrick White. Or add multiple picks and maybe get someone a little better. Think like Jerami Grant or John Collins.

If Brown+ could be turned into Gobert and Anunoby, I'd have to at least think about it. Depends on Rob's health really, because if he can't play solid minutes going forward they are going to have a huge hole in the front court.

Anunoby's health has been pretty spotty as well.

[Larry_Russell]

If Ayton is available any interest ?

Would happily send out Rob for Ayton. Seems like that would be something Suns are interested in. Get a young productive starting center and then we could add in another piece (Grant or Pritch) and a pick.

I am kind of torn on that deal.

With perfect health, Timelord is superior defensively
With perfect health, Ayton is superior offensively.

Ayton has superior health.



I mean, I would not hate the deal at all and it is certainly intriguing, but potentially dangerous

[CelticFaninLBC]

Ayton will cost Rob Williams, Derrick White, and possibly picks, and is very likely to hard cap Boston, unless Stevens can dump Theis.

Ayton is better than Rob, but the Celtics will have very little depth, and the lack of current depth may cost them this series against GSW.

[Larry_Russell]

Wouldnt this work?

Trade for Duncan Robinson into TPE (16.9 million) (2 picks from Miami to save them salary)
30 days later

Robinson, Theis, Nesmith, multiple draft picks (miami and Boston) to Utah

Gobert to Toronto

Siakam to Boston

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/??
Siakam/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

[CelticFaninLBC]

Wouldnt this work?

Trade for Duncan Robinson into TPE (16.9 million) (2 picks from Miami to save them salary)
30 days later

Robinson, Theis, Nesmith, multiple draft picks (miami and Boston) to Utah

Gobert to Toronto

Siakam to Boston

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/??
Siakam/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Unless it favors himself, Danny Ainge will never agree to a lopsided trade. Robinson, Theis and Nesmith is hot garbage.

[Edug27]

Watching these playoffs and after Game 2 tonight and regardless of who wins the Championship
Does anyone think the Team needs a Veteran point guard to distribute and spell MSmart ?

No.
I think that we are Fine, with the 3 PG's that we have -- Smart - White - Pritchard.

Though, it is possible to obtain another ballhandler (4th), for that Break-Glass contingency.
Maybe a Backup Wing, that can handle the ball. Or, a 2-Way Contract PG.

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

[Larry_Russell]

Watching these playoffs and after Game 2 tonight and regardless of who wins the Championship
Does anyone think the Team needs a Veteran point guard to distribute and spell MSmart ?

No.
I think that we are Fine, with the 3 PG's that we have -- Smart - White - Pritchard.

Though, it is possible to obtain another ballhandler (4th), for that Break-Glass contingency.
Maybe a Backup Wing, that can handle the ball. Or, a 2-Way Contract PG.

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

IMO Horford is the backup Center. Limit his minutes, let him lead the second unit so to speak and this way we can maybe keep him past this contract.

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/XXX
XXX/GWill
Timelord/Horford

IMO, the above is what we have and the glaring needs are backup big wing who can create and score and shoot. A straight up bucket getter (should be easy to fill, probably with MLE honestly, as we are a finals team)

Hard part is that starting PF (Tatum can fill that role so it could be a starting SG or SF, or PF)

[CelticFaninLBC]

Watching these playoffs and after Game 2 tonight and regardless of who wins the Championship
Does anyone think the Team needs a Veteran point guard to distribute and spell MSmart ?

No.
I think that we are Fine, with the 3 PG's that we have -- Smart - White - Pritchard.

Though, it is possible to obtain another ballhandler (4th), for that Break-Glass contingency.
Maybe a Backup Wing, that can handle the ball. Or, a 2-Way Contract PG.

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

Agree. Biggest need is a backup wing who can score. Norman Powell would have been ideal, but ownership's top priority was avoiding the luxury tax this year, so the Normal Powell ship has sailed.

Harrison Barnes seems like the most plausible wing/scorer who Steven can acquire with the current assets.

[hugepatsfan]

I like the idea of using a TPE in a 3-way scenario. I'll use the Clippers for example...

LAC gives: Norm Powell, Brandon Boston Jr.
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

Why? Get a starting PG which they need more on their roster.

IND gives: Malcolm Brogdon
IND gets: Brandon Boston Jr., 2023 top 4 protected BOS 1st

Why? Move a player who doesn't fit next to Haliburton for a prospect and a pick. The pick and extra cap space being preferable to the long term money on Powell since they're kind of rebuilding.

BOS gives: 2023 top 4 protected 1st
BOS gets: Norm Powell (into TPE)

Why? Use TPE for a perfect fit to round out your playoff rotation. Horford's age and Rob's health are concerns, but your on paper playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rob starting with White, Grant and Powell off the bench is about as good as you could draw up.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I like the idea of using a TPE in a 3-way scenario. I'll use the Clippers for example...

LAC gives: Norm Powell, Brandon Boston Jr.
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

Why? Get a starting PG which they need more on their roster.

IND gives: Malcolm Brogdon
IND gets: Brandon Boston Jr., 2023 top 4 protected BOS 1st

Why? Move a player who doesn't fit next to Haliburton for a prospect and a pick. The pick and extra cap space being preferable to the long term money on Powell since they're kind of rebuilding.

BOS gives: 2023 top 4 protected 1st
BOS gets: Norm Powell (into TPE)

Why? Use TPE for a perfect fit to round out your playoff rotation. Horford's age and Rob's health are concerns, but your on paper playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rob starting with White, Grant and Powell off the bench is about as good as you could draw up.

Can't see them trading Powell.

Can see Marcus Morris, Terrance Mann, Boston Jr., and a 2027 pick swap.

[Parliament10]

No.
I think that we are Fine, with the 3 PG's that we have -- Smart - White - Pritchard.

Though, it is possible to obtain another ballhandler (4th), for that Break-Glass contingency.
Maybe a Backup Wing, that can handle the ball. Or, a 2-Way Contract PG.

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

IMO Horford is the backup Center. Limit his minutes, let him lead the second unit so to speak and this way we can maybe keep him past this contract.

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/XXX
XXX/GWill
Timelord/Horford

IMO, the above is what we have and the glaring needs are backup big wing who can create and score and shoot. A straight up bucket getter (should be easy to fill, probably with MLE honestly, as we are a finals team)

Hard part is that starting PF (Tatum can fill that role so it could be a starting SG or SF, or PF)

No.
I think that we are Fine, with the 3 PG's that we have -- Smart - White - Pritchard.

Though, it is possible to obtain another ballhandler (4th), for that Break-Glass contingency.
Maybe a Backup Wing, that can handle the ball. Or, a 2-Way Contract PG.

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

Agree. Biggest need is a backup wing who can score. Norman Powell would have been ideal, but ownership's top priority was avoiding the luxury tax this year, so the Normal Powell ship has sailed.

Harrison Barnes seems like the most plausible wing/scorer who Steven can acquire with the current assets.

Hey Y'all, Agree on most of the needs. But, I feel that we are better off acquiring from the Draft.
The Draft has worked for us every year, since back to Marcus Smart.

Smart - Brown - Tatum
Are a flexible trio in the Starting Lineup. We're big in those positions. And all three can move over one spot.
Horford as well. Though I Agree, that he will be better suited running the 2nd Unit, as he ages.

I like the idea of running it back with our Top 10. Nesmith to me, is the weakest link in that Core.
Hauser seems like someone to keep, and maybe Stauskas as well.

As far as Bigman/Replacement for Horford. Not sure how we do that.
But, we do need someone, or someones, to groom.

Rotation, To Open 2022-23:
Starters: Smart - - - Brown - Tatum - Horford - R. Williams
Rotation: Pritchard - White - Nesmith - Grant - Theis

Reserves: Thomas - Stauskas - Hauser - Fitts - Kornet
Two-Ways: Rookie - - - - - - Ryan?

[Larry_Russell]

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

IMO Horford is the backup Center. Limit his minutes, let him lead the second unit so to speak and this way we can maybe keep him past this contract.

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/XXX
XXX/GWill
Timelord/Horford

IMO, the above is what we have and the glaring needs are backup big wing who can create and score and shoot. A straight up bucket getter (should be easy to fill, probably with MLE honestly, as we are a finals team)

Hard part is that starting PF (Tatum can fill that role so it could be a starting SG or SF, or PF)

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

Agree. Biggest need is a backup wing who can score. Norman Powell would have been ideal, but ownership's top priority was avoiding the luxury tax this year, so the Normal Powell ship has sailed.

Harrison Barnes seems like the most plausible wing/scorer who Steven can acquire with the current assets.

Hey Y'all, Agree on most of the needs. But, I feel that we are better off acquiring from the Draft.
The Draft has worked for us every year, since back to Marcus Smart.

Smart - Brown - Tatum
Are a flexible trio in the Starting Lineup. We're big in those positions. And all three can move over one spot.
Horford as well. Though I Agree, that he will be better suited running the 2nd Unit, as he ages.

I like the idea of running it back with our Top 10. Nesmith to me, is the weakest link in that Core.
Hauser seems like someone to keep, and maybe Stauskas as well.

As far as Bigman/Replacement for Horford. Not sure how we do that.
But, we do need someone, or someones, to groom.

Rotation, To Open 2022-23:
Starters: Smart - - - Brown - Tatum - Horford - R. Williams
Rotation: Pritchard - White - Nesmith - Grant - Theis

Reserves: Thomas - Stauskas - Hauser - Fitts - Kornet
Two-Ways: Rookie - - - - - - Ryan?

Hey, I LOVE the draft as much as the next guy, but we got no picks. And if we did its a LATE pick, not a top one.

unless we can somehow nab a pick from someone by using our TPE....

#4 available but I cannot see getting that withough trtading Timelord.
Indianas pick maybe for salary space?
Charlotte has 13 and 15...maybe one of theirs?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

IMO Horford is the backup Center. Limit his minutes, let him lead the second unit so to speak and this way we can maybe keep him past this contract.

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/White
Tatum/XXX
XXX/GWill
Timelord/Horford

IMO, the above is what we have and the glaring needs are backup big wing who can create and score and shoot. A straight up bucket getter (should be easy to fill, probably with MLE honestly, as we are a finals team)

Hard part is that starting PF (Tatum can fill that role so it could be a starting SG or SF, or PF)

Agree. I think the biggest needs would be a backup wing, who can create their own shot. Not just a 3&D player... Though he'll need to do both as well.

Then also another backup big man, to replace Theis. Someone who can also step in when Rob is out.

Then at some point Brad needs to start planning to find the next Horford. Someone who fits that exact mold, just younger.

Agree. Biggest need is a backup wing who can score. Norman Powell would have been ideal, but ownership's top priority was avoiding the luxury tax this year, so the Normal Powell ship has sailed.

Harrison Barnes seems like the most plausible wing/scorer who Steven can acquire with the current assets.

Hey Y'all, Agree on most of the needs. But, I feel that we are better off acquiring from the Draft.
The Draft has worked for us every year, since back to Marcus Smart.

Smart - Brown - Tatum
Are a flexible trio in the Starting Lineup. We're big in those positions. And all three can move over one spot.
Horford as well. Though I Agree, that he will be better suited running the 2nd Unit, as he ages.

I like the idea of running it back with our Top 10. Nesmith to me, is the weakest link in that Core.
Hauser seems like someone to keep, and maybe Stauskas as well.

As far as Bigman/Replacement for Horford. Not sure how we do that.
But, we do need someone, or someones, to groom.

Rotation, To Open 2022-23:
Starters: Smart - - - Brown - Tatum - Horford - R. Williams
Rotation: Pritchard - White - Nesmith - Grant - Theis

Reserves: Thomas - Stauskas - Hauser - Fitts - Kornet
Two-Ways: Rookie - - - - - - Ryan?

Will be tough to compete against the big spenders, if they don't use the TPE. The top 7 is great. Ideally, they can upgrade the 8th and 9th man. Hope I'm wrong, but Nesmith seems to have a long ways to go.

[rd26]

Chuma Okeke could be another Orlando name to watch.

Quiet low key guy who will likely never excel on a bad team, but he had a very well rounded game at Auburn.

[Hal14]

Chuma Okeke could be another Orlando name to watch.

Quiet low key guy who will likely never excel on a bad team, but he had a very well rounded game at Auburn.

Okeke is intriguing. Good size for a wing. Can shoot it. solid frame. Can handle a bit, rebound and pass. Has some talent, and has shown flashes of it in Orlando, but it's just been tough for anyone to really flourish since that team has been so bad - he's had some injuries too.

And it seems like the core they are building around is Suggs, Franz Wagner + whoever they take with the no. 1 pick in this draft. Then you have Cole anthony and wendell carter Jr. That seems to be their core. so guys like Okeke, RJ Hampton, terrence Ross and Mo Bamba are getting lost in the shuffle and could probably be moved in a trade.

Okeke is kind of in a similar boat to Nesmith. Both 2nd year players who have had up and down careers so far. Really good shooters in college who haven't shot as consistently in NBA. Nesmith was drafted 14th, 2 spots ahead of Okeke. Okeke is bigger though and seems smoother out there - I wouldn't mind taking the chance on Okeke that we can develop him and a change of scenery could do him good. Maybe he's that double digit wing scorer we need. Averaged 9 PPG for the Magic this season, including 11 games where he scored 17 or more points.

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Seems like a guy who could end up being like a bigger J-Rich..

[165bows]

I like the idea of using a TPE in a 3-way scenario. I'll use the Clippers for example...

LAC gives: Norm Powell, Brandon Boston Jr.
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

Why? Get a starting PG which they need more on their roster.

IND gives: Malcolm Brogdon
IND gets: Brandon Boston Jr., 2023 top 4 protected BOS 1st

Why? Move a player who doesn't fit next to Haliburton for a prospect and a pick. The pick and extra cap space being preferable to the long term money on Powell since they're kind of rebuilding.

BOS gives: 2023 top 4 protected 1st
BOS gets: Norm Powell (into TPE)

Why? Use TPE for a perfect fit to round out your playoff rotation. Horford's age and Rob's health are concerns, but your on paper playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rob starting with White, Grant and Powell off the bench is about as good as you could draw up.

Love PP but rather do a PP swap in that instance. He and Powell would have the same role of the bench microwave guy. Pritchard would fit well in LAC and still save them a ton of cash. Not sure I want the last years of Powell's deal though, even if his D and playmaking are up to par to take on the first years of it.

[hugepatsfan]

I like the idea of using a TPE in a 3-way scenario. I'll use the Clippers for example...

LAC gives: Norm Powell, Brandon Boston Jr.
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

Why? Get a starting PG which they need more on their roster.

IND gives: Malcolm Brogdon
IND gets: Brandon Boston Jr., 2023 top 4 protected BOS 1st

Why? Move a player who doesn't fit next to Haliburton for a prospect and a pick. The pick and extra cap space being preferable to the long term money on Powell since they're kind of rebuilding.

BOS gives: 2023 top 4 protected 1st
BOS gets: Norm Powell (into TPE)

Why? Use TPE for a perfect fit to round out your playoff rotation. Horford's age and Rob's health are concerns, but your on paper playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rob starting with White, Grant and Powell off the bench is about as good as you could draw up.

Love PP but rather do a PP swap in that instance. He and Powell would have the same role of the bench microwave guy. Pritchard would fit well in LAC and still save them a ton of cash. Not sure I want the last years of Powell's deal though, even if his D and playmaking are up to par to take on the first years of it.

PP isn't worth a first round pick though so you can't just swap that out and it still be a legit proposal. Too limited a player. He's someone with such limited trade value that it doesn't make sense to put him in deals. You just keep him for further depth since no one is assigning any value to him in a deal.

[165bows]

I like the idea of using a TPE in a 3-way scenario. I'll use the Clippers for example...

LAC gives: Norm Powell, Brandon Boston Jr.
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

Why? Get a starting PG which they need more on their roster.

IND gives: Malcolm Brogdon
IND gets: Brandon Boston Jr., 2023 top 4 protected BOS 1st

Why? Move a player who doesn't fit next to Haliburton for a prospect and a pick. The pick and extra cap space being preferable to the long term money on Powell since they're kind of rebuilding.

BOS gives: 2023 top 4 protected 1st
BOS gets: Norm Powell (into TPE)

Why? Use TPE for a perfect fit to round out your playoff rotation. Horford's age and Rob's health are concerns, but your on paper playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Rob starting with White, Grant and Powell off the bench is about as good as you could draw up.

Love PP but rather do a PP swap in that instance. He and Powell would have the same role of the bench microwave guy. Pritchard would fit well in LAC and still save them a ton of cash. Not sure I want the last years of Powell's deal though, even if his D and playmaking are up to par to take on the first years of it.

PP isn't worth a first round pick though so you can't just swap that out and it still be a legit proposal. Too limited a player. He's someone with such limited trade value that it doesn't make sense to put him in deals. You just keep him for further depth since no one is assigning any value to him in a deal.

You are so adamant about that it's funny. It also presupposes Norm Powell is worth a first round pick, which is pretty doubtful on that contract. 75% of production for 20% of the price is a super common NBA deal.

[hugepatsfan]

Love PP but rather do a PP swap in that instance. He and Powell would have the same role of the bench microwave guy. Pritchard would fit well in LAC and still save them a ton of cash. Not sure I want the last years of Powell's deal though, even if his D and playmaking are up to par to take on the first years of it.

PP isn't worth a first round pick though so you can't just swap that out and it still be a legit proposal. Too limited a player. He's someone with such limited trade value that it doesn't make sense to put him in deals. You just keep him for further depth since no one is assigning any value to him in a deal.

You are so adamant about that it's funny. It also presupposes Norm Powell is worth a first round pick, which is pretty doubtful on that contract. 75% of production for 20% of the price is a super common NBA deal.

It's just silly talk. Pritchard plays 14 minutes a game. He's not someone with seemingly untapped potential. He's an 8th/9th man at best. In most playoff matchups it's even a struggle to play him that much because of his size. No one is giving up a 1st for him. Considering how high the bust rate is for picks in the 20s, he was a solid pick for us there. But no one takes the chance on such a low ceiling player for guy like that already halfway through his rookie deal. You can just sign someone like Jevon Carter. Guys like him just don't return 1st round picks.

Powell has a very long contract so some teams might opt out of acquiring him altogether. But he's such a legit player that of the teams who don't someone is pushing the price up to a 1st.