Just Run It Back

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Celtics are playing some bad basketball and that's because of bad decision making and making the wrong reads.

Jaylen Brown is the #1 culprit in all of this.

Marcus Smart has gotten better with his decisions since 2021-22.

Jayson Tatum is also improving when it comes to making the right plays.

But Jaylen Brown just keeps making mistake after mistake and some of the mistakes he's making are something you would expect from a high school player.

Eliminate the stupid mistakes and this Celtics team is right up there with the best in the NBA.

[Triple7]

The downside of hitting FA is JB will only get 4 years max.

If JB gets traded now, he will not get the supermax but he will get the 5-year max from his new team because his new team inherits his bird rights.

JB hitting FA and signing with a different team means he's walking away from that 5th year worth around 40m.

But trading JB now will mean JB will forever hate Boston.

Let him hate boston. Paying him the supermax is just stupid. He’s not even close to being worthy of that kind of money. No way we can trade him with that contract. I’d rather get a lesser player, plus picks.

Boston is not a destination. They don't really have a choice

They always have a choice. Teams have been tied to ridiculous bad contracts because they are too afraid to be left out with nothing. This is not the case here. There are still good to great players wanting to play along side Tatum and White. Those are really good guys, and the chance to compete for a ring can be enticing. If we are being honest, Tatum and Brown isn’t really a good fit. They don’t play off each other. At the end of games, its smart and Tatum that’s playing off each other, and brown is left watching. That’s why i don’t want smart finishing close games, because of his inability to hit open jumpers. Tatum is better off playing alongside White ( a much much better reliable shooter) and a really good big man that can post up and score on his own. (Not Rob, who can’t score on his own, and is useless beyond 5ft)
Trading Brown for a really good big man plus a reliable role player, is much better than paying Brown the supermax and be tied to him and his turnovers for 5 years.

[Fierce1]

What's sad is those JB turnovers are something you would expect from a high school player, not from an All-NBA 2nd teamer.

[Triple7]

What's sad is those JB turnovers are something you would expect from a high school player, not from an All-NBA 2nd teamer.

Exactly! Not just JB, but JT as well. Several times Butler let them pass by off the dribble, and just tap the ball from behind. Its just crazy butler gets away with that lol.

[Bar Fight]

Pretty soon that empty banner is gonna have to be filled with "Most Playoff wins without a title since the end of the Bush administration"

[zoyathedestroya]

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Because of the financial constraints from here on out, there will be a reduction in talent on the roster. Cs would have to find bargain contributors that fit the way they want to play. That repeater tax is gonna be a bitch if Cs intend to pay two guys around 70% of the cap moving forward.

[watsonthedragon]

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Because of the financial constraints from here on out, there will be a reduction in talent on the roster. Cs would have to find bargain contributors that fit the way they want to play. That repeater tax is gonna be a bitch if Cs intend to pay two guys around 70% of the cap moving forward.

I've said it before but if we intend to keep both guys on supermax then they're never going to have as deep of a team as they had last year with the new CBA (unless they hit on some draft picks).

[itrsteve]

Yeah, Celtics are playing some bad basketball and that's because of bad decision making and making the wrong reads.

Jaylen Brown is the #1 culprit in all of this.

Marcus Smart has gotten better with his decisions since 2021-22.

Jayson Tatum is also improving when it comes to making the right plays.

But Jaylen Brown just keeps making mistake after mistake and some of the mistakes he's making are something you would expect from a high school player.

Eliminate the stupid mistakes and this Celtics team is right up there with the best in the NBA.

While I don't disagree, let's not overlook that Jaylen has progressed every season and filled a lot of gaps when Tatum was having his frequent off night.

There's no easy answer nor do I envy Brad's situation right now.

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Celtics are playing some bad basketball and that's because of bad decision making and making the wrong reads.

Jaylen Brown is the #1 culprit in all of this.

Marcus Smart has gotten better with his decisions since 2021-22.

Jayson Tatum is also improving when it comes to making the right plays.

But Jaylen Brown just keeps making mistake after mistake and some of the mistakes he's making are something you would expect from a high school player.

Eliminate the stupid mistakes and this Celtics team is right up there with the best in the NBA.

While I don't disagree, let's not overlook that Jaylen has progressed every season and filled a lot of gaps when Tatum was having his frequent off night.

There's no easy answer nor do I envy Brad's situation right now.

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

[Triple7]

Yeah, Celtics are playing some bad basketball and that's because of bad decision making and making the wrong reads.

Jaylen Brown is the #1 culprit in all of this.

Marcus Smart has gotten better with his decisions since 2021-22.

Jayson Tatum is also improving when it comes to making the right plays.

But Jaylen Brown just keeps making mistake after mistake and some of the mistakes he's making are something you would expect from a high school player.

Eliminate the stupid mistakes and this Celtics team is right up there with the best in the NBA.

While I don't disagree, let's not overlook that Jaylen has progressed every season and filled a lot of gaps when Tatum was having his frequent off night.

There's no easy answer nor do I envy Brad's situation right now.

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

[ThePigeon]

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Because of the financial constraints from here on out, there will be a reduction in talent on the roster. Cs would have to find bargain contributors that fit the way they want to play. That repeater tax is gonna be a bitch if Cs intend to pay two guys around 70% of the cap moving forward.

I've said it before but if we intend to keep both guys on supermax then they're never going to have as deep of a team as they had last year with the new CBA (unless they hit on some draft picks).

I would rather have a less talented team but filled with players that really want to play on both ends, play hard and a good and smart brand of basketball. Not my turn, your turn kind of basketball which fails again and again, despite the talent level

[Fierce1]

While I don't disagree, let's not overlook that Jaylen has progressed every season and filled a lot of gaps when Tatum was having his frequent off night.

There's no easy answer nor do I envy Brad's situation right now.

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

If I'm Celtic owner I'm not paying that.

But apparently Cs owners are willing to pay JB the 59m per.

[JaMarco]

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

If I'm Celtic owner I'm not paying that.

But apparently Cs owners are willing to pay JB the 59m per.

How do you know it will take that much to sign Brown?

[Duke4life831]

While I don't disagree, let's not overlook that Jaylen has progressed every season and filled a lot of gaps when Tatum was having his frequent off night.

There's no easy answer nor do I envy Brad's situation right now.

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

Just to add onto this. There is another thing that will most likely come with the new CBA. Not just harder for teams to keep their teams together, but I think it will be harder to trade these big contracts as well.

I think teams are going to be much more picky when it comes to what stars they want taking up the cap. And with the penalties for hitting that 2nd apron probably going to keep any team from willing to hit it. I just think teams will look much longer at willing to trade for a guy that is taking up 35% of the cap. And if that guy isnt one of those true elite players, Im not sure there will be too many teams lining up to trade for him.

[Fierce1]

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

If I'm Celtic owner I'm not paying that.

But apparently Cs owners are willing to pay JB the 59m per.

How do you know it will take that much to sign Brown?

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The next time JB is eligible to sign an extension, he might not be on an All-NBA team anymore.

[JaMarco]

If I'm Celtic owner I'm not paying that.

But apparently Cs owners are willing to pay JB the 59m per.

How do you know it will take that much to sign Brown?

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The next time JB is eligible to sign an extension, he might not be on an All-NBA team anymore.

But if that's not the market for him then that's not the market for him. No one else can offer him that money, he has no leverage.

[Fierce1]

How do you know it will take that much to sign Brown?

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The next time JB is eligible to sign an extension, he might not be on an All-NBA team anymore.

But if that's not the market for him then that's not the market for him. No one else can offer him that money, he has no leverage.

JB has leverage.

He can tell the Cs to give him the supermax or he'll leave in FA in the summer of 2024.

[JaMarco]

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The next time JB is eligible to sign an extension, he might not be on an All-NBA team anymore.

But if that's not the market for him then that's not the market for him. No one else can offer him that money, he has no leverage.

JB has leverage.

He can tell the Cs to give him the supermax or he'll leave in FA in the summer of 2024.

He can tell them that but if I'm the Cs I call his bluff. How does just leaving the Cs out of spite in 2024 improve his situation? He still wouldn't have the supermax and would still have a smaller contract than what the Cs offered. And he'd probably be on a worse team than if he stayed in Boston.

He's really just not good enough to play the "overpay me or I'm leaving" card. Tatum could do that because he's legitimately a top 10 player in the NBA that you can't replace with any other available player. But Brown? He's a back half of top 20 player at best. There are multiple guys that are available that can more or less replace what be brings. He's not good enough or irreplaceable enough for a leaving in 2024 FA threat to force the Cs into giving him the full supermax.

[BostonCouchGM]

But if that's not the market for him then that's not the market for him. No one else can offer him that money, he has no leverage.

JB has leverage.

He can tell the Cs to give him the supermax or he'll leave in FA in the summer of 2024.

He can tell them that but if I'm the Cs I call his bluff. How does just leaving the Cs out of spite in 2024 improve his situation? He still wouldn't have the supermax and would still have a smaller contract than what the Cs offered. And he'd probably be on a worse team than if he stayed in Boston.

He's really just not good enough to play the "overpay me or I'm leaving" card. Tatum could do that because he's legitimately a top 10 player in the NBA that you can't replace with any other available player. But Brown? He's a back half of top 20 player at best. There are multiple guys that are available that can more or less replace what be brings. He's not good enough or irreplaceable enough for a leaving in 2024 FA threat to force the Cs into giving him the full supermax.

he's definitely nowhere near a top 20 player but that's neither here nor there. He doesn't need to threaten to leave via FA. If the Celtics chose not to extend him it means they're fine with losing him for nothing after the season but would hope to win the championship before he leaves. This is an option people aren't talking about.

[steefP2]

I’d just sign brown and trade him before Tatum’s extension hits. Gives you 2 years before you have to really retool.