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Setshot33 wrote:I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.
He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.
Really easy......
Larry_Russell wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.
They haven't lost Grant Williams yet. He's set to be a free agent on July 1st. It's not July 1st yet. It's impossible for us to have re-signed him or replaced him at this point. We only have 11 players signed (12 if you count Walsh). We're required by the CBA to sign 13 players to start the year at least.
Our current roster would literally be illegal to start the season without adding more players. We cannot legally sign the player you're complaining we lost. It's silly to be up in arms about what we have or haven't replaced from last year at this stage.
It has been pointed out multiple times by many posters that keeping grant is out the window due to 2nd apron
Larry_Russell wrote:31to6 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
and lost a starting point guard and a depth forward.
yes, you're the prime example of the 'sky is falling' sentiment I was referring to
how ever will they replace a PG who was demonstrably worse than the other two PGs they retain?
how ever will they replace the 5 and 2 Grant averaged in the playoffs?
sorry: 5.1 and 2.2. Gotta dig deep to find a way to replace those decimal places.
Smart has been better than white all but for most of last season
Smart is better than brogdon
Grant is good at what he is and right now we have 3 front court guys and that is it.
Grant is an asset that there is a very real chance we can lose for nothing.
That is poor asset management
Celts17Pride wrote:Setshot33 wrote:I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.
He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.
Really easy......
Brogdon got exposed defensively in the playoffs. He is a ball stopper at the point guard position. Celtics need to sell high (except for the injury) and can do better for what this team needs.
captain green wrote:fallguy wrote:captain green wrote:Well I believe we opened Pandora box . That depth is atrocious and we can't out right sign a player to improve on can't will Brogdon or pp. I mean right off the bat are strong suit last year is gone. Smart white Brogdon pp JD was flex depth there now it's white pp JD god knows how long Brogdon is out for.
Horford has the bigs covered tell one of them goes down so if two go down we're screwed because kornet is garbage. Also where is the scoring coming from off the bench from? We really got backed into a box if we have to rely on can't will being our 6th man
It's June 23.
Yeah and how do you suggest we get better ? We can't sign no one good due the financial cap no one will trade for brogdon he's out until November or December. And no one is going to over pay for can't will or Pritchard in a trade? Who is the scorer off the bench?
Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
reload141 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
Trade PP for a 3/4
Sign Pat Bev for MLE
Ready to rock.
reload141 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
Trade PP for a 3/4
Sign Pat Bev for MLE
Ready to rock.
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:captain green wrote:fallguy wrote:
It's June 23.
Yeah and how do you suggest we get better ? We can't sign no one good due the financial cap no one will trade for brogdon he's out until November or December. And no one is going to over pay for can't will or Pritchard in a trade? Who is the scorer off the bench?
The Nuggets jettisoned their bench scorer at the deadline. Somehow that didn't seem to tank their season. Bruce Brown was their only bench player that averaged more than 8 points per game. On the 2022 Warriors, Poole was the only bench guy averaging double digits (and he started 50+ games that year so bench guy is stretching it). On the 2021 Bucks, Portis was the only bench guy scoring 10+ points.
You really only need at most one consistent scorer off the bench and Brogdon will do that for the Celtics whenever he's back. Relying on guys 7 and down in the rotation order to provide scoring is building the team backwards.
Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
Splitting the MLE seems silly. That would be $2.5M each. Vet min deals for 2nd year players is like $1.927M and it goes up for each extra year they've been in the league (even though they still count on your cap only at the 2nd year number despite actually being paid more).
Just sign those 2 guys you want to split it on to vet min deals for practically the same thing and avoid using the MLE at all. At least gives you the flexibility to go over the 2nd apron if you want to, vs being hard capped.
Setshot33 wrote:I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.
He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.
Really easy......
Celts17Pride wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.
Splitting the MLE seems silly. That would be $2.5M each. Vet min deals for 2nd year players is like $1.927M and it goes up for each extra year they've been in the league (even though they still count on your cap only at the 2nd year number despite actually being paid more).
Just sign those 2 guys you want to split it on to vet min deals for practically the same thing and avoid using the MLE at all. At least gives you the flexibility to go over the 2nd apron if you want to, vs being hard capped.
All depends on who is available. You don't give $5 million to a $2.5 million player
Hal14 wrote:Setshot33 wrote:I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.
He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.
Really easy......
I don't really give a crap that he won 6MOY.
-He makes too much $ (we can build a better team by allocating that $ elsewhere)
-Too often he was a ball stopper, a ball hog. Forced drives, forced shots, missed layups.
-Wasn't very good defensively. ONly 6'4" so we often have a lineup out there that's too small
-Too injury prone
Also, let's look at some of the guys who have won 6MOY recently
-Jordan Clarkson. Not a winning player. Ball hog, ball stopper, doesn't pass, doesn't defend. N
-Tyler Herro. Miami got better once he was out of the lineup. Had better flow on offense and better defense without him
-Montrezl Harrell. Not a winning player, doesn't play defense. Bounces around from team to team, nobody wants him
-Hell, even guys like Loui Williams and Jamal Crawford. Guys who could score but they were volume scorers, inefficient scorers, didn't pass, didn't defend, didn't contribute to winning basketball
How about a guy who almost won 6MOY but didn't? Jordan Poole. Jacks up ill advised 3's, super inconsistent player, not a great defender, Warriors couldn't get rid of him fast enough this offseason
Again, if all you need is a guy who can come in off the bench, hit some shots, play defense, handle the ball a little bit. There's lots of those guys out there. They're not hard to find. You don't have to pay them $22.5 mil a year and you don't have to worry about constant injuries.
Who was the Nuggets guy this season who was a guard and provided them bench scoring? Nobody! They had a bench scoring guard (Bones Hyland) but he wasn't working out so they traded him for Reggie Jackson who just sat on the bench in the playoffs. They had Bruce Brown off the bench but he's a wing, not really a guard. And he's more of a defender, rather than a scorer.