2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[yeleven11]

This is part two post it up bro

It’s the one i posted yesterday lol marc stein is just bumping yesterday’s post

I thought you posted Jake Fisher

They’re under the same substack

[ConstableGeneva]

Marcus Morris thoughts on trade rumors involving Boston.

He thinks Horford either re-ups with Boston or goes home to retire.
He finds White and Brown for Giannis an interesting trade and someone like Giannis is one of the few stars Celtics are willing to part with those two players for.
He calls Brad Stevens a guru.

Stevens didn't trade White and Brown for post-Achilles KD but will he trade them for Giannis??!

[I know most of you stopped reading after Morris... so thank you to everyone who made it here.]

Side-note: Mook's favorite place to play is in Boston.

[djFan71]

How far off is this from ORL side?

BOS: Black, WCJ, 46 for KP, Hauser, 32, 27 BOS first
ORL: KCP, WCJ, Black, Jett (or other filler), 46 for KP, Hauser, 32
BKN: KCP, Jett, 27 BOS first* for fake 2nd

* 27 BOS first top 4 protected, rolls to the BOS 28 first that's top 1 protected - after SAS swap. Turns to multiple 2nds after.

[djFan71]

Combine the ORL one above with an expanded version of my move up trade that nets 22, 42 and no $ for Jrue, 28, 32 and you have

Pritchard, White, Brown, WCJ, Kornet
Black, Scheierman, Walsh, 22, Queta
JD, 42, Tillman

$3M under the tax if you give Kornet $5.5M. Room for Al if he wants, or leave open for deadline.
Add that Tatum guy at some point and that team starts to look real nice.

Spoiler:

Expanded other deal

DAL: Jrue for Gafford, Hardy, Martin, Prosper
ATL: Gafford, Hardy, 28 for 22
SAC: Martin, Prosper, 32 for 42
BOS: Jrue, 28, 32 for 22, 42

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2463526&p=118935976#p118935976

EDIT: I think I used 32 in both trades, lol. I'm sure Brad will be able to make one of them happen without it. Probably the ORL one.

[redslastlaugh]

I think hauser makes a ton of sense for Orlando. I don't know if they'd want to swap out WCJ for Porzingis though, not when this iteration of the Magic with Paolo and the Wagners have sort of hung their hat on roughhouse physicality. And KP, not that he is not tough, but with his durability issues, he isn't a perfect fit.

I think they probably want to roll forward with Franz and Mo Wagners and Paolo in the frontcourt. But Orlando still makes such a natural trade partner because we have so much shooting and vet leadership and they need both. Could see their interest in Hauser for sure. But I think Orlando would be more interested in Holiday, White or Pritchard than KP tho

Maybe Hauser + 28 for Bitazde and 16? If Celts know Al is moving on and maybe then Brad has a 2nd deal moving KP elsewhere?

Or maybe Hauser + Holiday for Cole Anthony + Jon Issac + 16?

How far off is this from ORL side?

BOS: Black, WCJ, 46 for KP, Hauser, 32, 27 BOS first
ORL: KCP, WCJ, Black, Jett (or other filler), 46 for KP, Hauser, 32
BKN: KCP, Jett, 27 BOS first* for fake 2nd

* 27 BOS first top 4 protected, rolls to the BOS 28 first that's top 1 protected - after SAS swap. Turns to multiple 2nds after.

[Gant]

Evan Sidery:

"The Celtics are likely to lose backup center Luke Kornet in unrestricted free agency.

With Boston’s massive tax bill, and their plans to lower it, Kornet will find interest from contending teams who can offer more annually."

Bobby Manning responded to Sidery:

"I wouldn’t characterize them as likely to lose him without knowing what happens elsewhere. They have Bird rights & are thin at C at the moment. All TBD. He stayed despite other interest last summer."

https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/nba-fans-react-to-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-announcement-june

[redslastlaugh]

Bobby Manning is the Luke Kornet whisperer, lol
I love how he stepped up to check Sidery

Evan Sidery:

"The Celtics are likely to lose backup center Luke Kornet in unrestricted free agency.

With Boston’s massive tax bill, and their plans to lower it, Kornet will find interest from contending teams who can offer more annually."

Bobby Manning responded to Sidery:

"I wouldn’t characterize them as likely to lose him without knowing what happens elsewhere. They have Bird rights & are thin at C at the moment. All TBD. He stayed despite other interest last summer."

https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/nba-fans-react-to-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-announcement-june

[djFan71]

I think hauser makes a ton of sense for Orlando. I don't know if they'd want to swap out WCJ for Porzingis though, not when this iteration of the Magic with Paolo and the Wagners have sort of hung their hat on roughhouse physicality. And KP, not that he is not tough, but with his durability issues, he isn't a perfect fit.

I think they probably want to roll forward with Franz and Mo Wagners and Paolo in the frontcourt. But Orlando still makes such a natural trade partner because we have so much shooting and vet leadership and they need both. Could see their interest in Hauser for sure. But I think Orlando would be more interested in Holiday, White or Pritchard than KP tho

Maybe Hauser + 28 for Bitazde and 16? If Celts know Al is moving on and maybe then Brad has a 2nd deal moving KP elsewhere?

Or maybe Hauser + Holiday for Cole Anthony + Jon Issac + 16?

How far off is this from ORL side?

BOS: Black, WCJ, 46 for KP, Hauser, 32, 27 BOS first
ORL: KCP, WCJ, Black, Jett (or other filler), 46 for KP, Hauser, 32
BKN: KCP, Jett, 27 BOS first* for fake 2nd

* 27 BOS first top 4 protected, rolls to the BOS 28 first that's top 1 protected - after SAS swap. Turns to multiple 2nds after.

I actually really like the idea of (healthy) KP with Paolo and Franz. He adds length and shooting, rim protection, etc.

This does leave them with needing a PG, though.
I thought of adding Jrue too, but felt that was a little too much of a "here's half of our team, gimme half of yours back" type trade.

[redslastlaugh]

I actually really like the idea of (healthy) KP with Paolo and Franz. He adds length and shooting, rim protection, etc.

This does leave them with needing a PG, though.
I thought of adding Jrue too, but felt that was a little too much of a "here's half of our team, gimme half of yours back" type trade.

oh for sure, a healthy KP would be a nice fit. But the "when healthy" KP is becoming a mythical beast at this point though, lol

I mean, WCJ is hurt nearly as much as Kristaps so ... who knows. I'd rather have Wendell than KP at this point.

[djFan71]

I actually really like the idea of (healthy) KP with Paolo and Franz. He adds length and shooting, rim protection, etc.

This does leave them with needing a PG, though.
I thought of adding Jrue too, but felt that was a little too much of a "here's half of our team, gimme half of yours back" type trade.

oh for sure, a healthy KP would be a nice fit. But the "when healthy" KP is becoming a mythical beast at this point though, lol

I mean, WCJ is hurt nearly as much as Kristaps so ... who knows. I'd rather have Wendell than KP at this point.

Yep, but WCJ extension makes the Paolo/Mo Wagner looming extensions a little harder. KP expiring is actually handy for them.

[celtxman]

Hauser (into TPE) to Orlando for #16 and Caleb Houston
Save 8 million, Orlando stays under 2nd apron and Celtics move up enough to grab Fleming.


Can use 28 or 32 to shed rest of salary from a Jrue trade (Dallas)

Hauser isn't worth #16.

Definitely not at $10 million per.

[playa-hater]

OKC doesn't need another rookie. And they have the 24th pick. But it looks like they need some shooting. So maybe they would consider sam hauser for at 24th pick.

[playa-hater]

Edit

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

OKC doesn't need another rookie. And they have the 24th pick. But it looks like they need some shooting. So maybe they would consider sam hauser ford at 24th pick.

He should fetch more than the 24th pick in this Draft. I'm thinking between 15 and 20, maybe 17, higher if he's packaged with a First.

[Jellybeans]

OKC doesn't need another rookie. And they have the 24th pick. But it looks like they need some shooting. So maybe they would consider sam hauser ford at 24th pick.

They need someone who runs O for Chet

[hugepatsfan]

Since we ended last year over the 2nd apron, our 2032 pick is now frozen. We cannot trade it. If we end this year over the 2nd apron, it will automatically be moved to the end of the 2032 1st round, no matter our record. Also if we stay over the 2nd apron this year, our 2033 pick gets frozen again next year.

In any of these financially motivated trades, you have to factor those apron penalties. Any combination of trades that gets us below the 2nd apron in addition to whatever we get from the trades themselves, automatically ALSO includes for us:

1) the ability to trade our 2032 pick next year
2) the removal of an automatic pick swap to #30 on our 2032 pick
3) the ability to trade our 2033 pick next year

There's also the financial aspect of not the 2nd apron but the tax. We have to go under for 2 years to reset repeater rates. Each year ownership is going to give Stevens a budget. If you're spending repeater rates, that budget will translate to substantially less salary than a non repeater team. It's just math. By staying over the tax, Stevens will have to build a championship team with substantially less ability to add salary because of fitting the related tax into the budget.

So many people are concerned about how we're going to build a title contending team around Tatum when he's back if we sell off Jrue/KP/Hauser for savings. The thing for me is that even the most optimistic trades I've seen as far as guys coming back, while decent players, are NOT going to be the championship core around Tatum/Brown/White. I still think in the future we're going to need to trade those players for upgrades but if we stay in the tax for them we have less ability to take back money and extend those guys and if it's over the 2nd apron then less/worse picks to attach to them.

We traded Theis/Nesmith/pick for Brogdon then Brogdon/RWIlliams/pick for Jrue to get a title. That's the roadmap. And we still went to the finals that year Theis was here! I wouldn't be afraid if guys like Jared Vanderbilt, Klay Thompson, etc. If it means you get to reset your spending power, keep all of your assets, and maybe even get some small stuff back as opposed to giving that up to get some PJ Washington/WCJ type players instead, I think the former puts us in better position to make the trades we'll need to build a title team around Tatum again. Because in the latter you'll still need to move those guys in the future but less assets to do so.

I'm not saying tear it all down and tank, but if they prioritize savings I think they can get under the tax by dealing off KP/Jrue/Hauser and keeping our 3 best players + Pritchard and having tons of future flexibility.

[Fierce1]

Cam Johnson and Gafford or WCJ for Jrue and KP will hit 2 birds with one stone.

1. Talent level does not go down.

2. Cs avoid being a repeater.

[hugepatsfan]

Based on Fierce1's idea above...

This trade proposal results in us getting under the 2nd apron for 25-26, staying under the 2nd apron for 26-27 (barely so) as well if Gafford signs a reasonable extension (MLE type money). We do stay in the tax both years so have to continue paying repeater rates. I'm going to ignore picks for now and just list under contract players:

BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser
BOS gets: WCJ, Gafford, Cam Johnson

- get younger and address front court long term while still having Tatum (after recovery)/White/Brown/Pritchard/Schierman on the perimeter long term

BRK gives: Claxton, Cam Johnson
BRK gets: KCP, Klay, Niang

- doesn't use cap space yet, they'd obviously get picks

DAL gives: Klay, Gafford, Martin
DAL gets: Jrue

- same idea discussed a ton

ORL gives: KCP, WCJ
ORL gets: Porzingis

- shed long term money to accommodate extensions and take a flier on a perfect roster fit for them as a stretch 5 for a team who desperately needs shooting

ATL gives: Niang
ATL gets: Claxton (via TPE)

- get Trae his rim runner/defensive center with their TPE

SAC gives: nothing
SAC gets: Martin

- probably need some 2nds to go along

random team gives: nothing
random team gets: Hauser (TPE/MLE)



We'd have to include significant draft capital. I'd say Jrue for Gafford/Klay/Martin is fair, DAL won't need more from us. Same with ORL swapping KCP/WCJ for Porzingis. I'd say those teams would view those as neutral - don't need picks but won't add any.

After those swaps, we're essentially then dumping Martin on SAC, who I think would want to be compensated for that (at least a couple of 2nds). Maybe the Hauser part can provide some/all of those 2nds. We're essentially swapping Klay to BRK for CamJo and they probably want at least 2 1sts for that.

The ATL part doesn't technically need to be in this, but if it's not BRK has to use cap space for the rest which means they'd want more of a premium from us. By including that, it's basically BRK swapping Claxton for KCP plus whatever pick(s) ATL would send for Claxton. If that's not the deal, then it's essentially just BRK taking KCP into cap space which costs us.

White / Pritchard
Brown
Tatum / Scheierman
CamJo
Gafford / WCJ (or flip it?)

Offers some double big flexibility, plenty of shooting. If Scheierman plans out it's a good 8 man rotation.

[redslastlaugh]

very short digression from Bill Simmons last night at 1:00:50
Talking about Giannis, Zach says "we all know what teams would be interested in trading for him"
&
Simmons says, "there's one more: the Brooklyn Nets"

Bill says Nets may use their capspace this summer to bring pieces that will appeal to Giannis and that BRK then tries to go get him not this summer but before the trade deadline.

"Remember in 07, Celts weren't a landing spot for KG but then Celts went and got Ray Allen and now KG was willing to listen. Well, what if Nets acquire Jrue Holiday into their capspace and go sign someone like Naz Reid. This is laying the groundwork of appeal for Giannis"

Watch on YouTube

[Celts17Pride]

very short digression from Bill Simmons last night at 1:00:50
Talking about Giannis, Zach says "we all know what teams would be interested in trading for him"
&
Simmons says, "there's one more: the Brooklyn Nets"

Bill says Nets may use their capspace this summer to bring pieces that will appeal to Giannis and that BRK then tries to go get him not this summer but before the trade deadline.

"Remember in 07, Celts weren't a landing spot for KG but then Celts went and got Ray Allen and now KG was willing to listen. Well, what if Nets acquire Jrue Holiday into their capspace and go sign someone like Naz Reid. This is laying the groundwork of appeal for Giannis"

Watch on YouTube

It's been the Nets plan for the last 2 years.