Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[165bows]

Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

[Parliament10]

Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

Agreed.

Let's do this on two-feet. Instead of on all fours.
If we were to trade Rondo -- We'd be 5 years out, in the best scenario.

[soxfan2003]

The Celtics should have traded Rondo last off-season when teams weren't just thinking of him as an expiring contract/future FA. At this point, unless I'm misjudging his trade value which I think is low, I'm not sure it makes sense to trade Rondo before the season starts. If the Celtics can get a pick that they think has the "expected value" of a future top 10-12 pick from another team and an expiring contract, I would certain do such a deal right now but I'm not confident at all that there is a team out there that could/would offer that for Rondo. I would also even strongly consider taking on a two year contract of "dead weight" if a team threw in an extra pick.

Rondo's impact on tanking in 2014-15 is hard to predict. Rondo may have a very good season and make it modestly harder to tank -- helping his trade value and future contract demands -- or he could have a mediocre season and make it modestly easier to tank by forcing Smart to play more SG minutes.

Unless something is seriously wrong, Rondo will be better than Pressey but based upon Rondo's season last year, it's not completely farfetched for Smart to be the better PG next year than Rondo in terms of overall effectiveness. I do think its somewhat farfetched for Smart, as a rookie, to be the shooting guard the Celtics need while being paired with Rondo or Pressey. Teams will just clog the paint and Olynyk/Sullinger etc. won't be good enough to invert the offense.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Rondo will be better than Pressey but based upon Rondo's season last year, it's not completely farfetched for Smart to be the better PG next year than Rondo in terms of overall effectiveness

Consistently embarrasing

[BannersOnly]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Give me a break. Jackie M was WRONG(spell it W-R-O-N-G) and Rondo's people came out and said it. You sound like a politician trying to spin things to cover up Jackie M's bull gaffe. The bottom line is Jackie M can't stand Rondo and you can tell by simply reading her articles and her talking about him the past few years. She can't stand him because she's used to getting "scoops" from Celtics stars and she knows she will NEVER get one from Rondo. Jackie M is a HACK.

[Captain_Caveman]

Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

[KJandHondo35]

Put me in the record saying before the trade deadline the Kings get Smoove and Rondo and we get McLemore. People will be pissed, but a 50 cent deal is better than letting him walk. Then we go hard after Monroe in FA. Just saying, that what my gut is telling me.


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[Yoshi2kx]

Pass. I want something like Dragic and Len

lmao you're not getting equal return for an offensively flawed player like Rondo, who wants to leave btw. Let alone a prospect like Len as well

OHMYGOD! Another one of these guys again!

Were you sleeping during the Kevin Love trade? Obviously Love is better, but if he gets that type of haul to the Wolves you think Rondo isn't getting Len? Gtfoh!

Different situations. Kevin Love is a PF while Rondo is a PG in a league saturated by them every year. Love wasn't even good enough to trade for a mediocre package like Thompson+Barnes and other crap outside of Cleveland's offer. The only reason why they got Wiggins was because LeBron went back home and Cleveland wanted to go "all-in". Rondo is hardly a person you'd trade something to go "all in" for. And did I miss the part where he included Dragic who was an all-star and is better than Rondo especially for Phoenix? Maybe you were sleeping when all the Wolves could get in return for Kevin Garnett was basically Al Jefferson. lmao

[Froob]

Put me in the record saying before the trade deadline the Kings get Smoove and Rondo and we get McLemore. People will be pissed, but a 50 cent deal is better than letting him walk. Then we go hard after Monroe in FA. Just saying, that what my gut is telling me.


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What has McLenmore done to think he's worth anything close to a blue chip player? I'd rather risk getting nothing than trade him for crap. We'll have a lot of cap space and even more if we stretch provision G-Wall.

[Froob]

Paying Bledsoe the max would be so idiotic. Smart could develop into that type of player for much cheaper and he isn't injury prone.

[KJandHondo35]

Put me in the record saying before the trade deadline the Kings get Smoove and Rondo and we get McLemore. People will be pissed, but a 50 cent deal is better than letting him walk. Then we go hard after Monroe in FA. Just saying, that what my gut is telling me.


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What has McLenmore done to think he's worth anything close to a blue chip player? I'd rather risk getting nothing than trade him for crap. We'll have a lot of cap space and even more if we stretch provision G-Wall.

Hence why I said "50 cent" on the dollar deal. We probably would get a pick but that's as good as Rondo will yield. The market for PGs is crap, and Rondo is a FA in a season. McLemore, An expiring, and a pick is not equal to Rondo but it's better than letting him go for nothing and prolly the best DA could do. McLemore at Kansas was REALLY good, super athlete than has the tools to be an elite shooter. He also could be a solid defender, has Bradley Beal like upside and a perfect compliment to a drive 1st PG in Smart (just like Beal works great with Wall) .




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[StojkoVrankovic]

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Sign and trade?
Let him walk?

Regardless of what people want for this team we should all hope Rondo comes out on fire this season. We need him to play well and increase his trade value

[calamity]

Sorry the league is different than college. It really irks me when someone tries to justify a bust because of their college stats. A team with Monroe, Smart, Mclemore, and Sully is mediocre and still doesn't probably sniff the 8th or 9th seed in the east. Good for the tank, but not it you are paying Monroe big bucks and there are better bigs in this upcoming draft.

[shawn unkempt]

I like how every fan of another team is acting like his trade value is worth like an expiring contract and a prospect whose leaning more towards bust than a solid player. It's hilarious.

[Parliament10]

I like how every fan of another team is acting like his trade value is worth like an expiring contract and a prospect whose leaning more towards bust than a solid player. It's hilarious.

"It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key."
~ Winston Churchill, October, 1939

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Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Eh, you keep spewing this line but the reality is that if Rondo gets the max it's going to mean he had a GREAT year. And in that case there is no way this team isn't in the playoffs in this lousy EC. If this team is in the playoffs and Rondo is coming off a great year then why not pay him?

He'll not only have proved he's healthy and in top form but also that he's motivated to LEAD this young team. Honestly that's the scenario BOTH sides want. And I believe strongly that that is the case.

A lot of people in this debate are just not being forthcoming in their views. If you don't want Rondo on a max deal just say that. Don't concoct all these storylines of Rondo going to NY for the max (to play in the Triangle, LMAO) or Danny having to settle for 60 cents on the dollar.

This thing is going to end in one of two ways: Ainge trades for a great package that represents full value or it goes to free agency. Any other storyline people want to make up is essentially poppycock chicken littleism.

[Aneeq_sk]

Stop the Rondo Trade Talk!!!!!

[KJandHondo35]

Sorry the league is different than college. It really irks me when someone tries to justify a bust because of their college stats. A team with Monroe, Smart, Mclemore, and Sully is mediocre and still doesn't probably sniff the 8th or 9th seed in the east. Good for the tank, but not it you are paying Monroe big bucks and there are better bigs in this upcoming draft.

People that think 1 season is any indication of what a play can do is equally limited in scope. Also you contradict yourself saying that a 4 some of under 25 year olds (All high upside talents) are not good but then saying there are better players in the draft. We would technically get a high draft pick and still have insurance with Monroe. Draft picks are risks, Monroe is proven to be virtually a walking double-double with All-NBA team potential (he's top 5 offensively for Centers with no improvement). McLemore is also a risk because your viewing him as a Lotto pick in a bad system/team with knockdown shooting potential and defensive capability. He still has more upside than Bradley and is 21 considering Avery put out 3 really bad offensive seasons, he's still ahead of the game. But he's an asset, with legitimate skill, that is far better than nothing.

This team needs an overhaul, any assets are better than no assets. We sold out for the big 3, won a championship, and now we are faced with rehabilitation. We are lucky we have a good/young coach that can grow with a team, because this is a 2-3 year project at the very least. I think Smart and Young were a great start, character and potential with both. Like I said, this is my personal gut feeling on this topic. For all the flack the 76ers get, I think in league circles they are not viewed so harshly. The are exploiting a perceived loophole or market inefficiency which is why the Commish is trying to limit it. Young players are cheap, you take the highest potential and a lot of them and take the odds 2 or 3 reach it. So the 6ers are grabbing those guys that fit their overall system/ideal of athletic and long players at every position with defensive prowess

Green and Rondo both have a high percent likelihood that they will leave next offseason (just like Thad Young was thought to bolt ASAP, without saying on record anything).. You won't get equal value but anything is better than nothing, which is why I just think it's much better to find the best deal on the table.


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[calamity]

Sorry the league is different than college. It really irks me when someone tries to justify a bust because of their college stats. A team with Monroe, Smart, Mclemore, and Sully is mediocre and still doesn't probably sniff the 8th or 9th seed in the east. Good for the tank, but not it you are paying Monroe big bucks and there are better bigs in this upcoming draft.

People that think 1 season is any indication of what a play can do is equally limited in scope. Also you contradict yourself saying that a 4 some of under 25 year olds (All high upside talents) are not good but then saying there are better players in the draft. We would technically get a high draft pick and still have insurance with Monroe. Draft picks are risks, Monroe is proven to be virtually a walking double-double with All-NBA team potential (he's top 5 offensively for Centers with no improvement). McLemore is also a risk because your viewing him as a Lotto pick in a bad system/team with knockdown shooting potential and defensive capability. He still has more upside than Bradley and is 21 considering Avery put out 3 really bad offensive seasons, he's still ahead of the game. But he's an asset, with legitimate skill, that is far better than nothing.

This team needs an overhaul, any assets are better than no assets. We sold out for the big 3, won a championship, and now we are faced with rehabilitation. We are lucky we have a good/young coach that can grow with a team, because this is a 2-3 year project at the very least. I think Smart and Young were a great start, character and potential with both. Like I said, this is my personal gut feeling on this topic. For all the flack the 76ers get, I think in league circles they are not viewed so harshly. The are exploiting a perceived loophole or market inefficiency which is why the Commish is trying to limit it. Young players are cheap, you take the highest potential and a lot of them and take the odds 2 or 3 reach it. So the 6ers are grabbing those guys that fit their overall system/ideal of athletic and long players at every position with defensive prowess

Green and Rondo both have a high percent likelihood that they will leave next offseason (just like Thad Young was thought to bolt ASAP, without saying on record anything).. You won't get equal value but anything is better than nothing, which is why I just think it's much better to find the best deal on the table.


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If building through draft is what you want then fine, Smart and Mclemore are a start, but giving Monroe long term big bucks when there are likely better bigs in this and upcoming draft is taking crazy pills. He is no where near all NBA talent, if he was he would have been scooped up as an RFA (like Hayward and Parsons because good bigs arent easy to come by). He is a defensive liability with small hands. A fourth banana on a contending team, if that. So yeah you could build with that young backcourt though IMO it isn't great, especially with no veteran presence for those two. But there is no need for Greg.

[Parliament10]

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Eh, you keep spewing this line but the reality is that if Rondo gets the max it's going to mean he had a GREAT year. And in that case there is no way this team isn't in the playoffs in this lousy EC. If this team is in the playoffs and Rondo is coming off a great year then why not pay him?

He'll not only have proved he's healthy and in top form but also that he's motivated to LEAD this young team. Honestly that's the scenario BOTH sides want. And I believe strongly that that is the case.

A lot of people in this debate are just not being forthcoming in their views. If you don't want Rondo on a max deal just say that. Don't concoct all these storylines of Rondo going to NY for the max (to play in the Triangle, LMAO) or Danny having to settle for 60 cents on the dollar.

This thing is going to end in one of two ways: Ainge trades for a great package that represents full value or it goes to free agency. Any other storyline people want to make up is essentially poppycock chicken littleism.

Very Well Said.

Rondo isn't going anywhere. In fact, I think that he'll be here for the long-haul.