Tatum and Brown, as 1-2 Options

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We lost but I get to dunk on LeBron... Geez...

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We lost but I get to dunk on LeBron... Geez...

To paraphrase Drew Bledsoe, Tatum's a Midwest Cheesehead.

People make fun of Stephon Marbury, but his head and heart were in the right place when he promoted his very low-cost shoes and tried to make a point of showing those who came up poor like he did that having a big-name, expensive shoe wasn't cool or important.

Tatum, unfortunately, just comes across as a shallow idiot here.

Every rook the C's just drafted is more mature and personally more impressive than Tatum.

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We lost but I get to dunk on LeBron... Geez...

To paraphrase Drew Bledsoe, Tatum's a Midwest Cheesehead.

People make fun of Stephon Marbury, but his head and heart were in the right place when he promoted his very low-cost shoes and tried to make a point of showing those who came up poor like he did that having a big-name, expensive shoe wasn't cool or important.

Tatum, unfortunately, just comes across as a shallow idiot here.

Every rook the C's just drafted is more mature and personally more impressive than Tatum.

Man, have you seen the GQ video about the 10 things players keep always with them? I was laughing so hard at Jimmy Butler's video... Once the players were warriors, now they appear to go from idiots to entitled pricks... Maybe we are listening too much, it's not because you are famous that your voice needs to be relevant.

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We lost but I get to dunk on LeBron... Geez...

To paraphrase Drew Bledsoe, Tatum's a Midwest Cheesehead.

People make fun of Stephon Marbury, but his head and heart were in the right place when he promoted his very low-cost shoes and tried to make a point of showing those who came up poor like he did that having a big-name, expensive shoe wasn't cool or important.

Tatum, unfortunately, just comes across as a shallow idiot here.

Every rook the C's just drafted is more mature and personally more impressive than Tatum.

Man, have you seen the GQ video about the 10 things players keep always with them? I was laughing so hard at Jimmy Butler's video... Once the players were warriors, now they appear to go from idiots to entitled pricks... Maybe we are listening too much, it's not because you are famous that your voice needs to be relevant.

I don't recall Butler's, but I think I saw a few--including Kyrie's? And correct--we are listening too much and fame is not a reason for a voice to be relevant. (But don't tell JB that--with his newest MIT gig he's convinced he's a genius.)

[London2Boston]

Tatum was fortunate last season that Brown,Rozier and Kyrie took most of the hate. He’s probably another season of inefficient Kobe style shots away from burning through a lot of his leeway.

I wish there was a way we could take Jaylen’s fire and hunger and put into Tatum.

That said. I think these two will be the highlight of our season. Even more than Kemba.

[JR Hawks]

If Tatum and Brown don't step up their play this season, it will be their fault and nobody else's. No blaming Kemba or anyone else. We've made enough excuses and passed on enough star players for these two....now it's time to put up or shut up.

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To paraphrase Drew Bledsoe, Tatum's a Midwest Cheesehead.

People make fun of Stephon Marbury, but his head and heart were in the right place when he promoted his very low-cost shoes and tried to make a point of showing those who came up poor like he did that having a big-name, expensive shoe wasn't cool or important.

Tatum, unfortunately, just comes across as a shallow idiot here.

Every rook the C's just drafted is more mature and personally more impressive than Tatum.

Man, have you seen the GQ video about the 10 things players keep always with them? I was laughing so hard at Jimmy Butler's video... Once the players were warriors, now they appear to go from idiots to entitled pricks... Maybe we are listening too much, it's not because you are famous that your voice needs to be relevant.

I don't recall Butler's, but I think I saw a few--including Kyrie's? And correct--we are listening too much and fame is not a reason for a voice to be relevant. (But don't tell JB that--with his newest MIT gig he's convinced he's a genius.)

If you can make a better educational system but not improve your ballhandling maybe you’re not meant to be a pro basketball player... Since we are paying his bills I would like to see that “Hard work and dedication” show some fruits.

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Does anyone think either of these guys is an actual leader?

Summer league has become a place for current NBA players to be seen and to support their new teammates. My five years covering the team, the Celtics have had a steady stream of veterans stop in to take a look. But this year, the support was sparse. French center Vincent Poirier, whose deal had not been signed yet, stopped in and sat with Austin Ainge at an early game, but that was it. Jaylen Brown was in Las Vegas for several days and even attended a Knicks/Lakers game, but was not at any Celtics games. With four new draft picks, it felt like a missed opportunity for a veteran to show some support.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/07/15/thoughts-about-celtics-summer-league-run/UXLgIJYsEhwGsJndu9sVlL/story.html

I'm pretty certain any Celtics leadership is skipping those couple of years between Smart and, yes, Rob W., who shows more such characteristics already--and this new crop of rookies. (Kemba, before even signed, and JT were IIRC with the rooks some during their practice week back in Boston.)

[Theocy]

Does anyone think either of these guys is an actual leader?

Summer league has become a place for current NBA players to be seen and to support their new teammates. My five years covering the team, the Celtics have had a steady stream of veterans stop in to take a look. But this year, the support was sparse. French center Vincent Poirier, whose deal had not been signed yet, stopped in and sat with Austin Ainge at an early game, but that was it. Jaylen Brown was in Las Vegas for several days and even attended a Knicks/Lakers game, but was not at any Celtics games. With four new draft picks, it felt like a missed opportunity for a veteran to show some support.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/07/15/thoughts-about-celtics-summer-league-run/UXLgIJYsEhwGsJndu9sVlL/story.html

I'm pretty certain any Celtics leadership is skipping those couple of years between Smart and, yes, Rob W., who shows more such characteristics already--and this new crop of rookies. (Kemba, before even signed, and JT were IIRC with the rooks some during their practice week back in Boston.)

I think our youngs feel superstar level ready. And it has been evident with the whole Kyrie fiasco.yeah the guy is kind of weird but we have self proclaimed stars with an agenda around. Haywards injury might have accelerated tatums development in year 1 but it might really mess him up long term. Let's see how he manages his ego going forward.

[FeedReed]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

[Theocy]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

He is not a fraud but he won't become pierce 2.0.he is heading for carmelo lite levels and that is not ideal

[GOATTatum]

Say what you want about Tatum but I wouldn't trade him for any other player in the NBA. To me, with his youth, talent, and superstar potential he's the #1 asset in the league.

[Steal by Bird]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

He is not a fraud but he won't become pierce 2.0.he is heading for carmelo lite levels and that is not ideal

I think your right.

Pierce wasn’t super quick, but he was really crafty, and had some heft to him. Tatum doesn’t seem to have great lateral quickness, and is comparatively much weaker, is a volume shooter iso player. To slow to guard quick wings not strong enough to guard 4s. Pretty much describes Carmelo and that is freaking scary.

[Bleeding Green]

Say what you want about Tatum but I wouldn't trade him for any other player in the NBA. To me, with his youth, talent, and superstar potential he's the #1 asset in the league.

I agree, Jayson. Hope you have a great year, dude.

[FeedReed]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

He is not a fraud but he won't become pierce 2.0.he is heading for carmelo lite levels and that is not ideal

carmelo lite sounds about right. i personally would rather see his minutes going to edwards, or grant williams, they showed in one summer league more basketball sense than tatum ever has. also want to see how kemba/hayward/brown/bigs play together.

[Feed Your Head]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

He is not a fraud but he won't become pierce 2.0.he is heading for carmelo lite levels and that is not ideal

carmelo lite sounds about right. i personally would rather see his minutes going to edwards, or grant williams, they showed in one summer league more basketball sense than tatum ever has. also want to see how kemba/hayward/brown/bigs play together.

What in the hell? Get it together lol.

[Leprechaun18]

tatum is a fraud. dude dodged the heat last year due to all of it unfairly falling on kyrie(being "young" is not an excuse when most of your shot attempts are turnaround stepbacks) , but he won't be able to run this season. here's to hoping they trade him before he loses all value. brown is no star, but i'll go to battle with him all day over tatum.

He is not a fraud but he won't become pierce 2.0.he is heading for carmelo lite levels and that is not ideal

carmelo lite sounds about right. i personally would rather see his minutes going to edwards, or grant williams, they showed in one summer league more basketball sense than tatum ever has. also want to see how kemba/hayward/brown/bigs play together.

What team are you a fan of?

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Say what you want about Tatum but I wouldn't trade him for any other player in the NBA. To me, with his youth, talent, and superstar potential he's the #1 asset in the league.

Wow--and you wouldn't happen to be his mom who still cleans his room and lays out his clothes for him, would you?

[reflex35]

Say what you want about Tatum but I wouldn't trade him for any other player in the NBA. To me, with his youth, talent, and superstar potential he's the #1 asset in the league.

Wow--and you wouldn't happen to be his mom who still cleans his room and lays out his clothes for him, would you?

Tatum being a #1 asset in the league is such a nonsense... How anyone can even say that?

Let's wait for the season to start and see where both guys are. Brown is trustable - he might not make a leap but at least you can count on him playing D and not thinking that he is KOBE and bricking 25-30 shots. Brown seems like a team guy nevermind his talent.

There's Tatum. Not sure. I think everyone hyped him too much and this got into his head. He'll never be Kobe (but again - even in 20 years probably only a few guys can reach that) and I don't see him being Paul Pierce - Paul was a great player.

Let's not make judgements - these two guys now have a year without any drama and no more excuses will be accepted. The argument - they are young goes out of the window when you talk about being the #1 asset for Tatum... If so I want him to show something which is all-star level. He is not a rookie - let's not give him excuses for that. And if the argument is he is still young - that is fine - he can be an all-star couple of times later in his career but HE IS NOT A #1 asset.

[sam_I_am]

Say what you want about Tatum but I wouldn't trade him for any other player in the NBA. To me, with his youth, talent, and superstar potential he's the #1 asset in the league.

The sky is the limit. His shooting touch, his potential to be a 45% 3 pt shooter, his length, his driving ability and his ability to finish with either hand give him an incredibly high ceiling. Critics can argue about his mental make up, his tendency to play iso and his lack of playmaking etc. Certainly those factors will determine how good he becomes.....but if he maxes out his best qualities he will be an elite NBA player. Given that he is still on rookie deal....no doubt he is one of best players for the money in the NBA.....making him amongst the top assets in NBA for sure.

I forgot to mention that his defensive rating for a wing is already top 10 (based on new Carmelo-esque defensive rating at 538)