Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1)

[Bill Lumbergh]

Since game 6 of the Raptors, we have run 100% ISO from about mid 4th on. I'm not sure Brown, Smart, and Theis combined touched the ball 10 times in the last 10 minutes. Its piss poor predictable offense.

Agreed. I don’t understand what happened with Brad playbook from 2018 playoffs he was so good vs Sixers.

Maybe Kyrie broke him last year. It's one of two things, he either wants them to play so much iso, or he doesn't want them to play so much iso, and then doesn't hold them accountable for doing it anyway. Either way is bad, but far worse if he doesn't want that and won't hold them accountable. If going iso were really effective, all teams would be doing it for all 48 minutes.

[robbie84]

I thought we looked good. I think we were the better team, but like Toronto, Miami has the ability to make a lot of threes, very quickly.
We really need to put the nail in the coffin on these teams earlier.

Wannamaker was great, Smart was great.
If we can limit the dead possessions on offense where everyone stands and watched Tatum and move the ball, we'll be fine.
Kemba can't play much worse, Brown can be better, Theis can be better, and we can get Hayward back.

Sucks to lose but we look like the better team to me.

[Triple7]

That’s the problem with this team. We get a lead, and intead of sticking it to them, we let our guards down, and let them back in slowly by taking ill advised 3’s and consecutive turnovers.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I think honestly the difference between the two teams is Miami has guys that can hit and clutch times and I don't think the Celtics have that.

That would explain why they seem to lose every close game.

[Triple7]

I think having hayward would help,us a lot. He has the ability to get to get to the basket and sink those perimeter shots consistently. That would guve us another option offensively. He also passes the ball well inside to our cutters. Instead of our stagnant offense with everybody standing outside and no one cutting inside.

[Saint Lazarus]

At least we’re not the clippers lol

[The Corey's]

Many people got on K Walker in the game threads.. I don't think that is really fair.. Recently, he hasn't shot as well and he normally does but he is facing tougher defense and he is willing to take shots at end of quarters that usually hurt your FG%. And Walker is making mostly good decisions and playing reasonably hard on both ends. As a fan I feel that is all one can ask for.

Ainge's biggest weakness as gm is being too infatuated with weak defenders at PGs that are undersized like Iverson (reported tried to trade for him), IT, Kyrie Irving and now K Walker. On defense Walker is one to two levels up from IT since he is bigger but he still compromises the defense against elite competition for him to be worthy of a max/near max deal. Kyrie Irving isn't even that short but he plays more like a small PG.

These guards all work reasonably well during regular season. But usually they are bad investments at max money if you want to win a championship.

Some will counter and say Steph Curry is clearly a bargain at max money. Not only is he 6"3 and arguably greatest shooter in NBA history but Steph Curry is super strong so even Lebron James in the NBA Finals was reluctant to try to back him down.

Honestly, if fans are ever frustrated with K Walker in this series, blame Danny Ainge/maybe Stevens and not K Walker. If you are going to succeed with a small PG, against truly elite competition you usually need other players to make up for it. SAS won with Avery Johnson and even Tony Parker but they were usually a huge team elsewhere to make up for it and neither of those PGs made the max. Duncan after all often played PF. They even had lineups with Duncan at PF and Leonard at SF. Duncan/Robinson.

Toronto won with Lowry but he makes up for his relative lack of height with a lot of strength and savvy. And Toronto with Gasol/Siakam/Leonard had a big front court.

Rajon Rondo may have been skinny but he is super long and athletic so he hardly fit the mold of undersized PG. Rondo also taller.

Kemba got absolutely torched defensively all game.

He was horrible tonight, beyond reason or excuse. His words not mine.

Kemba plays like he did tonight then its a 4 to 1 series loss. That simple.

[The Corey's]

I think honestly the difference between the two teams is Miami has guys that can hit and clutch times and I don't think the Celtics have that.

That would explain why they seem to lose every close game.

Thats what happens when you use mid round picks on guys like kelly, rozier, langford, edwards and whoeber that dude was that just ate his way out of the league instead of guys like Herro.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I think honestly the difference between the two teams is Miami has guys that can hit and clutch times and I don't think the Celtics have that.

That would explain why they seem to lose every close game.

Thats what happens when you use mid round picks on guys like kelly, rozier, langford, edwards and whoeber that dude was that just ate his way out of the league instead of guys like Herro.

I'm not sure the mid-round picks have anything to do with this. The top guys legitimately can't score in the clutch. Meanwhile the heat have Herro, Butler and Crowder who are more clutch than anyone on the Celtics.

[The Corey's]

I think honestly the difference between the two teams is Miami has guys that can hit and clutch times and I don't think the Celtics have that.

That would explain why they seem to lose every close game.

Thats what happens when you use mid round picks on guys like kelly, rozier, langford, edwards and whoeber that dude was that just ate his way out of the league instead of guys like Herro.

I'm not sure the mid-round picks have anything to do with this. The top guys legitimately can't score in the clutch. Meanwhile the heat have Herro, Butler and Crowder who are more clutch than anyone on the Celtics.

Herro was what? pick 14?

Tatum can bury the 3 with the rest of them but he is NOT a sharpshooter. Brown 3 point shooting leaves much to be desired and Kemba has been missing for about 4 weeks.

Danny has never found him self a guy like Herro and if we had a guy like him it would be pretty cool but instead guys like Semi gets those minutes.

Its going to be rather embarrassing to lose to the Heat given where their rebuild started and ours. It will be a pill hard to swallow but Im sure everyone is just happy to be here and Danny did a great job with his war chest!

[ConstableGeneva]

At least we’re not the clippers lol

Conference Finals Appearances, Since Doc left the Celtics:
Celtics - 3
Clippers - 0

[grindtime22]

Offensively, we have to realize that getting Bam on the switch is not favorable. That is a bad thing. If he switches on to you, then swing the ball. There were too many times where Bam switched onto a perimeter player and we treated it like he was a normal big that we should attack in isolation. Kemba attacking Bam in isolation is dumb. He is going to get swallowed up. All our guys are going to get swallowed up.

[Jammer]

I didn't post it in the thread on Stevens, which asked if not Stevens, who, but now I'll say what I would have said in that thread that I let pass. If the Celtics could have swapped Stevens for Spoelstra, they would have won this game, but the Heat would just laugh at that offer. Not even three first round picks thrown in would get Miami to do that deal.

[jfs1000d]

I didn't post it in the thread on Stevens, which asked if not Stevens, who, but now I'll say what I would have said in that thread that I let pass. If the Celtics could have swapped Stevens for Spoelstra, they would have won this game, but the Heat would just laugh at that offer. Not even three first round picks thrown in would get Miami to do that deal.

The two coaches is a wash. Brad is very good. Spo is very good.


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[Captain_Caveman]

Refs had jack and **** to do with that outcome. Heard fans of many teams saying that on behalf of one team or the other, and the 80s fan in me thinks it is maybe time for them to get their balls out of their mother's purses. This is the **** ECFs.

Heat made big plays. Big shots, big block.

We missed Hayward. No **** way should Wanamaker, the Williams Brothers, and Ojeleye be getting 56 minutes in a ECF game, even if it goes OT. That number would have been 20 with Hayward, with Kemba and Tatum getting to coast a little more to save themselves for crunch time, and Smart would be asked to do a little less. We gassed just as we have been gassing, and that a huge reason why. We are too deep to not have a full clip.

We can take these guys. They have some studs, but just not man enough. I'm not going to say that they have too many white guys in the same breath I am lamenting not having our best white guy, because that would be uncouth, but well... they opened the game with Herro on Tatum. Another one of their guys went to Williams. We can get mad gully on these mother ****.

[ConstableGeneva]

I would concede that. Spo is indeed better than Stevens. He's also had the guidance of a top NBA coach in Riley in his earlier years while Brad went straight from college to an NBA head coaching job. Brad hasn't peaked yet as a coach imo. But again, it still boils down to not having that MVP-type player that can push you over the top. Tatum might be one day, but he too is clearly still learning to become one.

[fallguy]

Refs had jack and **** to do with that outcome. Heard fans of many teams saying that on behalf of one team or the other, and the 80s fan in me thinks it is maybe time for them to get their balls out of their mother's purses. This is the **** ECFs.

Heat made big plays. Big shots, big block.

We missed Hayward. No **** way should Wanamaker, the Williams Brothers, and Ojeleye be getting 56 minutes in a ECF game, even if it goes OT. That number would have been 20 with Hayward, with Kemba and Tatum getting to coast a little more to save themselves for crunch time, and Smart would be asked to do a little less. We gassed just as we have been gassing, and that a huge reason why. We are too deep to not have a full clip.

We can take these guys. They have some studs, but just not man enough. I'm not going to say that they have too many white guys in the same breath I am lamenting not having our best white guy, because that would be uncouth, but well... they opened the game with Herro on Tatum. Another one of their guys went to Williams. We can get mad gully on these mother ****.

I basically agree with you but I also suspect you've been drinking

[Captain_Caveman]

Thats what happens when you use mid round picks on guys like kelly, rozier, langford, edwards and whoeber that dude was that just ate his way out of the league instead of guys like Herro.

I'm not sure the mid-round picks have anything to do with this. The top guys legitimately can't score in the clutch. Meanwhile the heat have Herro, Butler and Crowder who are more clutch than anyone on the Celtics.

Herro was what? pick 14?

Tatum can bury the 3 with the rest of them but he is NOT a sharpshooter. Brown 3 point shooting leaves much to be desired and Kemba has been missing for about 4 weeks.

Danny has never found him self a guy like Herro and if we had a guy like him it would be pretty cool but instead guys like Semi gets those minutes.

Its going to be rather embarrassing to lose to the Heat given where their rebuild started and ours. It will be a pill hard to swallow but Im sure everyone is just happy to be here and Danny did a great job with his war chest!

Tatum can shoot the **** **** out of the ball. He's just not some catch-and-shoot afterthought. Raps put their whole team on him.

[Captain_Caveman]

Refs had jack and **** to do with that outcome. Heard fans of many teams saying that on behalf of one team or the other, and the 80s fan in me thinks it is maybe time for them to get their balls out of their mother's purses. This is the **** ECFs.

Heat made big plays. Big shots, big block.

We missed Hayward. No **** way should Wanamaker, the Williams Brothers, and Ojeleye be getting 56 minutes in a ECF game, even if it goes OT. That number would have been 20 with Hayward, with Kemba and Tatum getting to coast a little more to save themselves for crunch time, and Smart would be asked to do a little less. We gassed just as we have been gassing, and that a huge reason why. We are too deep to not have a full clip.

We can take these guys. They have some studs, but just not man enough. I'm not going to say that they have too many white guys in the same breath I am lamenting not having our best white guy, because that would be uncouth, but well... they opened the game with Herro on Tatum. Another one of their guys went to Williams. We can get mad gully on these mother ****.

I basically agree with you but I also suspect you've been drinking

Actually, I worked late tonight.

[Captain_Caveman]

Many people got on K Walker in the game threads.. I don't think that is really fair.. Recently, he hasn't shot as well and he normally does but he is facing tougher defense and he is willing to take shots at end of quarters that usually hurt your FG%. And Walker is making mostly good decisions and playing reasonably hard on both ends. As a fan I feel that is all one can ask for.

Ainge's biggest weakness as gm is being too infatuated with weak defenders at PGs that are undersized like Iverson (reported tried to trade for him), IT, Kyrie Irving and now K Walker. On defense Walker is one to two levels up from IT since he is bigger but he still compromises the defense against elite competition for him to be worthy of a max/near max deal. Kyrie Irving isn't even that short but he plays more like a small PG.

These guards all work reasonably well during regular season. But usually they are bad investments at max money if you want to win a championship.

Some will counter and say Steph Curry is clearly a bargain at max money. Not only is he 6"3 and arguably greatest shooter in NBA history but Steph Curry is super strong so even Lebron James in the NBA Finals was reluctant to try to back him down.

Honestly, if fans are ever frustrated with K Walker in this series, blame Danny Ainge/maybe Stevens and not K Walker. If you are going to succeed with a small PG, against truly elite competition you usually need other players to make up for it. SAS won with Avery Johnson and even Tony Parker but they were usually a huge team elsewhere to make up for it and neither of those PGs made the max. Duncan after all often played PF. They even had lineups with Duncan at PF and Leonard at SF. Duncan/Robinson.

Toronto won with Lowry but he makes up for his relative lack of height with a lot of strength and savvy. And Toronto with Gasol/Siakam/Leonard had a big front court.

Rajon Rondo may have been skinny but he is super long and athletic so he hardly fit the mold of undersized PG. Rondo also taller.

Kemba got absolutely torched defensively all game.

He was horrible tonight, beyond reason or excuse. His words not mine.

Kemba plays like he did tonight then its a 4 to 1 series loss. That simple.

You have given up after every playoff loss this team has ever had.

And a bunch of the wins, too!