Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

cavsfanatic · Post #241 » by **cavsfanatic** » Thu May 13, 2021 6:51 pm

As a Cavs fan I just want to say thanks a lot for last night!!
We just might have flushed a top 5 pick down the drain by winning that game.
Tatum looked like he wanted to be anywhere but in Cleveland last night,,,he finally started trying toward
the end of the game when it didn't matter anymore...and the bottom of your roster is just so bad.
You need to clean all that crap out,,,Pritchard looks pretty good but the rest is so bad.
Boston needs to do a lot of work in the offseason thats for sure. Good luck in the playoffs lol.

Post #242 » by **Darth Celtic** » Thu May 13, 2021 7:06 pm

cavsfanatic wrote:As a Cavs fan I just want to say thanks a lot for last night!!
We just might have flushed a top 5 pick down the drain by winning that game.
Tatum looked like he wanted to be anywhere but in Cleveland last night,,,he finally started trying toward
the end of the game when it didn't matter anymore...and the bottom of your roster is just so bad.
You need to clean all that crap out,,,Pritchard looks pretty good but the rest is so bad.
Boston needs to do a lot of work in the offseason thats for sure. Good luck in the playoffs lol.

well, we were missing All star Jaylen Brown ave 24 ppg on the season. Former All Star Kemba Walker. Defensive first team guard Marcus Smart. And our best big man Timelord, Robert Williams. That's 4 starters.

Just like you wanting to lose for a top 5 pick, it's likely this team is hoping to slide into lotto at a very small chance to move up as well. Can't compete missing this many players.

Pretty sure for the season, Celtics are 1 in missed games from injury and health and safety.

Curmudgeon · Post #243 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu May 13, 2021 7:20 pm

They should sit everyone out for the rest of the season. Tatum too.

moonie_mcgee · Post #244 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Fri May 14, 2021 1:34 am

Well I like Smart's size at the point.
He also knows to facilitate and push it when at the point.
The trouble is him at the 2 guard spot.
No one really knows what's going to happen but we do know the roster needs to be adjusted.

IMO the best way to add length to the team is moving Smart (PG), Brown (SG), and Tatum (SF), down a position. Then get a rebounding force at PF and run with Williams as our rim protecting C. Have Pitch backup Smart, Nesmith backup Brown, and Romie backup Tatum. We have the talent to compete, but we need to have yhe right players at the right time on the court. Moving on from Walker, Thompson and Fourniet will open up money and playing time for longer, athletic frontcourt players we desperately need. Keep Kornet and GWilliams for deep depth and move on from Semi, Edwards, Waters and Tacko. Which may actually give them a chance somewhere in the NBA or overseas. Finally buy out and bring in the Israeli PG to backup Smart an Pritch.

BK_2020 · Post #245 » by **BK_2020** » Fri May 14, 2021 2:38 pm

If we move Smart, Brown and Tatum down a position we will instantly become the worst ball-handling team in the league, if we aren't one already.

cloverleaf · Post #246 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:03 pm

BK_2020 wrote:If we move Smart, Brown and Tatum down a position we will instantly become the worst ball-handling team in the league, if we aren't one already.

Right. Plus I think this year showed the bad chemistry among the "core"--and their willingness to underperform as a group (as opposed with individual stats) rather than play together. Something needs to be done about that somehow.

cloverleaf · Post #247 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:04 pm

moonie_mcgee wrote:Well I like Smart's size at the point.
He also knows to facilitate and push it when at the point.
The trouble is him at the 2 guard spot.
No one really knows what's going to happen but we do know the roster needs to be adjusted.

IMO the best way to add length to the team is moving Smart (PG), Brown (SG), and Tatum (SF), down a position. Then get a rebounding force at PF and run with Williams as our rim protecting C. Have Pitch backup Smart, Nesmith backup Brown, and Romie backup Tatum. We have the talent to compete, but we need to have yhe right players at the right time on the court. Moving on from Walker, Thompson and Fourniet will open up money and playing time for longer, athletic frontcourt players we desperately need. Keep Kornet and GWilliams for deep depth and move on from Semi, Edwards, Waters and Tacko. Which may actually give them a chance somewhere in the NBA or overseas. Finally buy out and bring in the Israeli PG to backup Smart an Pritch.

"Pritch"?

CeltsfaninDC · Post #248 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:The knives are out for Smart.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/kendrick-perkins-marcus-smarts-time-celtics-has-run-its-course

"I think something drastic needs to happen and it's not firing Brad Stevens," Perkins said Tuesday on Celtics Pregame Live. "I think that Marcus Smart has ran his course. I think guys are tired of hearing his voice in the locker room. I think guys are tired of his ill-advised shot taking at times, some of his turnovers that he has.

"If Marcus Smart could be just a star in his role, and that means bringing that defensive intensity, diving on the floor for loose balls, those hustle plays on the other end, not trying to do so much. You can see it in people's body language, when he tries to do too much it deflates the team. So I do think the Celtics need to look into moving Marcus Smart this summer, to be honest with you. I think it's ran its course."

Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated says the C's looking to trade Smart wouldn't be anything new. He also echoes what Perkins had to say about Smart's questionable decision-making wearing on teammates.

I couldn't possibly agree more. As much as I love his passion, his decision making is suspect. Just make the good pass and stop trying to make the Bird-level one. Take the open shots, not the contested pull up on the break. Its just the little stuff that stops the momentum when the team is trying to make a run that bugs me. I've seen some trade ideas that involved the Warriors and their #6 or 7 pick. Throw in Wiseman and some salary fillers and you have something that will improve this team long term. Nesmith can provide a bunch of the hustle/defense and far more offensive. Time to move on

celtics543 · Post #249 » by **celtics543** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:24 pm

I'm done with Marcus. He's definitely run his course. His shooting has never been great and it feels like his defense has slipped quite a bit as well. He still hustles and dives but he's getting beat quite a bit more than he used to which isn't helping things. He needs to be a guy that plays for a team where someone can reign him in. He'd be perfect for a team like the Lakers where Lebron isn't going to put up with bad shots.

When he gets traded to Golden State I'm going to laugh the first time he dribbles down the floor, waves off Steph and Klay, and jacks one up from three. Kerr will nail him to the bench, which is exactly what Brad should have done every time that happened.

Honestly, I'm fine with any major changes. This team clearly needs a shakeup. No 7 seed is one small move away from a title. I'm sick of hearing about "if we were healthy..." that can't be the excuse every year. We saw this team basically healthy and it still wasn't that good. We've seen title teams here with Paul, KG, and Ray. We have Tatum, who is probably a more talented PIerce, and Jaylen who could be in the third star role but we're missing that guy who is the unquestioned MVP candidate who sets the tone and forces everyone to match his level of intensity. Until we find that piece we aren't winning.

So whether it's Marcus, Jaylen, Kemba, or anyone else, even Tatum if the deal is right, something major has to happen if we hope to actually contend for a title. If Danny could redo the season I think he moves Jaylen and Marcus to roll the dice on Harden. That's the kind of bold move I want.

In reality Ainge will swap out Tremond Waters and Semi Ojeleye for two new 2nd round picks or undrafted free agents and we'll roll into next year trying to talk ourselves into Grant Williams and Kemba feeling "surprisingly spry" in October.

BK_2020 · Post #250 » by **BK_2020** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:30 pm

Getting Harden was never in the books for us since it's clear Houston didn't want Jaylen and Marcus. What would that do for them anyway other than cap their ceiling at perennial 10th seed. They wanted to lose and get a top 5 pick this season and next.

Post #251 » by **Parliament10** » Fri May 14, 2021 5:42 pm

Read on Twitter

JediMasterRevan · Post #252 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Fri May 14, 2021 6:30 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:The knives are out for Smart.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/kendrick-perkins-marcus-smarts-time-celtics-has-run-its-course

"I think something drastic needs to happen and it's not firing Brad Stevens," Perkins said Tuesday on Celtics Pregame Live. "I think that Marcus Smart has ran his course. I think guys are tired of hearing his voice in the locker room. I think guys are tired of his ill-advised shot taking at times, some of his turnovers that he has.

"If Marcus Smart could be just a star in his role, and that means bringing that defensive intensity, diving on the floor for loose balls, those hustle plays on the other end, not trying to do so much. You can see it in people's body language, when he tries to do too much it deflates the team. So I do think the Celtics need to look into moving Marcus Smart this summer, to be honest with you. I think it's ran its course."

Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated says the C's looking to trade Smart wouldn't be anything new. He also echoes what Perkins had to say about Smart's questionable decision-making wearing on teammates.

I couldn't possibly agree more. As much as I love his passion, his decision making is suspect. Just make the good pass and stop trying to make the Bird-level one. Take the open shots, not the contested pull up on the break. Its just the little stuff that stops the momentum when the team is trying to make a run that bugs me. I've seen some trade ideas that involved the Warriors and their #6 or 7 pick. Throw in Wiseman and some salary fillers and you have something that will improve this team long term. Nesmith can provide a bunch of the hustle/defense and far more offensive. Time to move on

There is not alot of guys in the league I trade Smart for but Wiseman is one

Wood is another

cloverleaf · Post #253 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri May 14, 2021 6:50 pm

Parliament10 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Doesn't take any guessing on Smitty's part: that's already the plan.

zoyathedestroya · Post #254 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sat May 15, 2021 2:34 am

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zoyathedestroya · Post #255 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sat May 15, 2021 11:00 pm

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Deuce Tatum to the Timberwolves confirmed.

Fencer reregistered · Post #256 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun May 16, 2021 12:16 pm

I haven't seen this clip before.

Russell's shooting surprised me a bit, in part because I thought he shot left-handed.

Watch on YouTube

robdog_5 · Post #257 » by **robdog_5** » Sun May 16, 2021 4:30 pm

I've been on team trade Kemba for a while now. But he did finish the season well. Wondering how much negative value he has. Only 2 years left on deal now

Fencer reregistered · Post #258 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun May 16, 2021 5:25 pm

robdog_5 wrote:I've been on team trade Kemba for a while now. But he did finish the season well. Wondering how much negative value he has. Only 2 years left on deal now

The Celtics wound up 22-21 in games he played. Hmmm ...

Fencer reregistered · Post #259 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun May 16, 2021 9:32 pm

So what are the defensive assignments vs. Washington?

Just keep Smart on Westbrook all game? Let Kemba/Pritchard try to guard Beal? Give some run to Romeo?

Nesmith is playing more like an SF/roamer right now and fouling a lot, so I don't see the fit for him on Beal except insofar as anything can happen in short stints.

threrf23 · Post #260 » by **threrf23** » Sun May 16, 2021 11:13 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Just keep Smart on Westbrook all game? Let Kemba/Pritchard try to guard Beal? Give some run to Romeo?

Put Smart on Beal, or on whoever will set picks for Beal. Our defense should be fixated on keeping the ball out of Beal's hands, and doing its best to make sure he doesn't get clean looks or clean paths.

Wizards are 4-15 this year when Westbrook's usage % is higher than 33%, 0-7 when it is higher than 36.6%.

To be fair, they are also 0-5 when Beal's usage % is 43% or higher.