Celtics 2023-24, Season Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

It looked like this when Cs last faced the Hawks in the playoffs… Bud was still their coach. I don’t think we’ll be facing the same defense hehe.

not as good no, but tat may have 3 or more on him.

That would be a mistake. Cs deadlier with the ball moving and ball moves when the other team opts to double/trap JT.

Actually funny that roles are reversed now. Hawks are the ones who have the prolific diminutive scoring guard but a defensive liability and Cs have a defense near the top of the league headlined by Horford hehe.

[steefP2]

The phenomenon continues; since 07-08 the Celtics have finished only once outside of the top 10 in opponent 3 point shooting and a ton of top 5 finishes.



That’s 15 top 10 finishes in 16 years and 12/15 in the top 5. Couldn’t fit the whole table in the image

[steefP2]

My reason of the day to be super optimistic about the Celtics; in 1000 possessions with white and rob on the floor together (even with Tatum off) they have a 103.4 defensive rating. That’s 7 points better than the top defense for the season.

For comparison jrue and giannis on the floor gives a 108.5 drtg and jrue + Brook is 106.8. Sure that sample is much bigger (2-3 times as big) but just shows you how insane the defense can be with white and rob on. Brook + giannis + jrue is 106.9 in 1700 possessions.

Dillon brooks and jjj are 108 drtg in 2500 possessions

There is some shooting luck involved with the Celtics numbers but not super egregious; 33% in this sample vs 34.8 % for the season

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Is Danny Leroux a known Celtics hater or something? Was listing to him with Nate Duncan and dude has JT as 5th in MVP behind SGA and second team all-NBA, doesn't have JB on any All-NBA team and has Brogdon FOURTH in 6th man of the year behind Alec Burks (the 6th man of the worst team in the league). At first I thought he was just dumb as ****, but there's gotta be an agenda here

[steefP2]

Is Danny Leroux a known Celtics hater or something? Was listing to him with Nate Duncan and dude has JT as 5th in MVP behing SGA and second team all-NBA, doesn't have JB on any All-NBA team and has Brogdon FOURTH in 6th man of the year behind Alec Burks (the 6th man of the worst team in the league). At first I thought he was just dumb as ****, but there's gotta be an agenda here

He’s not a Celtics hater though him and Nate have always been comparatively low on Tatum. They generally skew negative towards most team so most fan bases have this impression. He doesn’t really care about games played for all nba too but who cares, they don’t have a real ballot.

JB not all nba makes sense if you consider he doesn’t consider games played. The burks thing is dumb though; just reeks of trying to be too clever. Danny especially can be a bit into advanced stats at times but they’re generally still better analysts than most. With all nba Danny really has outlier opinions of kd ahead of Tatum. I think that’s fairly dumb considering there’s a 25 games played gap but it could be argued on a per game basis. Anyway; they dont really have team specific hates but they do have individual player biases.

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Is Danny Leroux a known Celtics hater or something? Was listing to him with Nate Duncan and dude has JT as 5th in MVP behind SGA and second team all-NBA, doesn't have JB on any All-NBA team and has Brogdon FOURTH in 6th man of the year behind Alec Burks (the 6th man of the worst team in the league). At first I thought he was just dumb as ****, but there's gotta be an agenda here

West coast bias and so obsessed with advanced stats. He also ignored games missed for all nba. It really feels like a zag for the sake of it when Portis wasn't even his radar for 6MOY.

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Are those the only finalists announced?

Bubblegum does not truly deserve this.

Malcolm a no brainer.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Are those the only finalists announced?

Bubblegum does not truly deserve this.

Malcolm a no brainer.

Seven categories announced — MVP, DPoY, 6MoY, MIP, RoY, CoY, and ClutchPoY. The two above are the only ones with Cs represented.

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Are those the only finalists announced?

Bubblegum does not truly deserve this.

Malcolm a no brainer.

Seven categories announced — MVP, DPoY, 6MoY, MIP, RoY, CoY, and ClutchPoY. The two above are the only ones with Cs represented.

Link?

[zoyathedestroya]

Are those the only finalists announced?

Bubblegum does not truly deserve this.

Malcolm a no brainer.

Seven categories announced — MVP, DPoY, 6MoY, MIP, RoY, CoY, and ClutchPoY. The two above are the only ones with Cs represented.

Link?

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The Clutch Player of the Year is a new category and will have it's first-ever awardee this season, yes?

I recall that stats had been shown a few times on this board how Tatum is heads-&-shoulders above everyone else in terms of clutch performance... So it's curious how JT wasn't even in the conversation for this, never appearing in the ladder/rankings for the said award.

[zoyathedestroya]

The Clutch Player of the Year is a new category and will have it's first-ever awardee this season, yes?

I recall that stats had been shown a few times on this board how Tatum is heads-&-shoulders above everyone else in terms of clutch performance... So it's curious how JT wasn't even in the conversation for this, never appearing in the ladder/rankings for the said award.

Those stats span several years. The award is for this season. Tatum hasn't been as clutch especially post-ASB.

Of 33 players with at least 20 field goal attempts, team ahead or behind a field goal under 2 mins of play, Tatum is 28th in FG% (less than 30%). Worse post-ASB (20%).

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The Clutch Player of the Year is a new category and will have it's first-ever awardee this season, yes?

I recall that stats had been shown a few times on this board how Tatum is heads-&-shoulders above everyone else in terms of clutch performance... So it's curious how JT wasn't even in the conversation for this, never appearing in the ladder/rankings for the said award.

Those stats span several years. The award is for this season. Tatum hasn't been as clutch especially post-ASB.

Of 33 players with at least 20 field goal attempts, team ahead or behind a field goal under 2 mins of play, Tatum is 28th in FG% (less than 30%). Worse post-ASB (20%).

Truth would have won this several times.

[zoyathedestroya]

The Clutch Player of the Year is a new category and will have it's first-ever awardee this season, yes?

I recall that stats had been shown a few times on this board how Tatum is heads-&-shoulders above everyone else in terms of clutch performance... So it's curious how JT wasn't even in the conversation for this, never appearing in the ladder/rankings for the said award.

Those stats span several years. The award is for this season. Tatum hasn't been as clutch especially post-ASB.

Of 33 players with at least 20 field goal attempts, team ahead or behind a field goal under 2 mins of play, Tatum is 28th in FG% (less than 30%). Worse post-ASB (20%).

Truth would have won this several times.

What's interesting to me is as Tatum's individual clutch efficiency went down, the team's clutch win % improved. This has been our most "clutch" season since drafting him. There are several possible explanations that I'm just too lazy to get into haha. But there's likely no correlation between the two.

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"Means absolutely nothing" is the mentality our players should have despite this development.

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