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Re: Celtics Nice Dads, Let Sons Win! Loss vs PHI 11/8 

Post#241 » by Hal14 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:22 pm

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KillahGhostface wrote:We need to give Svi a shot over Pritchard.


Knew this place would be a mess after the game, so just got on here this morning to say exactly this. We need to quit having Pritchard be the primary ball handler when he’s in the game at the very least. It’s doing nothing for his confidence.

The contract extension for Pritchard is starting to look like a mistake. At this rate, we won't even be able to trade him because his play on the court is tanking any trade value he had left.

Hope he turns it around.

But in the meantime, we need to win games so I'm certainly open to giving Banton/Svi a chance in there to see if they can do better.
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Post#242 » by KillahGhostface » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:36 pm

Tatum had a usage of 18.7% lol, got to give Nurse credit for a solid gameplan.
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Post#243 » by The Corey's » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:38 pm

Well

It didn't take long to see that Joe still ain't the one.

So much for surrounding him by experience.
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Post#244 » by BK_2020 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:39 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Tatum had just 6 drives last night. He averaged 11 drives per game in the regular season and nearly 17 drives per game in the playoffs vs. the Sixers last season. That was a noticeable change. And not a positive one. Nurse did something different with their D?


Yes. Batum manhandled him aggressively (or any other player defending him) and Embiid stayed in the paint
Even Maxey was able to apply pressure on his dribble and force jump ball

Play aggressive and tight against JT and you reduce his production immensely

If we had a PF who could free Tatum to play the 3, things will be a lot different. Put Harris/Batum on Tatum? The PF can punish the smaller guy on him. Put Oubre on Tatum? Tatum can punish him. Alas we are stuck with Jaylen for this season.
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Re: Celtics Nice Dads, Let Sons Win! Loss vs PHI 11/8 

Post#245 » by Hal14 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:43 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Tatum had just 6 drives last night. He averaged 11 drives per game in the regular season and nearly 17 drives per game in the playoffs vs. the Sixers last season. That was a noticeable change. And not a positive one. Nurse did something different with their D?


Yes. Batum manhandled him aggressively (or any other player defending him) and Embiid stayed in the paint
Even Maxey was able to apply pressure on his dribble and force jump ball

Play aggressive and tight against JT and you reduce his production immensely

If we had a PF who could free Tatum to play the 3, things will be a lot different. Put Harris/Batum on Tatum? The PF can punish the smaller guy on him. Put Oubre on Tatum? Tatum can punish him. Alas we are stuck with Jaylen for this season.

Don't forget Covington.

The Sixers have a bunch of SF/PF guys who have size, strength and are savvy vets who know how to play and are decent defenders.

They're pretty well built to contain the Jays.

Just need other guys to step up. We barely lost the game and would've won if we just got a tiny bit more from Al/Pritchard/Kornet/Jrue/White.
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Post#246 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:45 pm

KillahGhostface wrote:Tatum had a usage of 18.7% lol, got to give Nurse credit for a solid gameplan.

On BBRef, it's 20.1%. That's the lowest usage rate he's had post-Kyrie. Usually means someone else has to step up. With Jaylen having a stinker, we needed more from the "others" in this game.
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Post#247 » by steefP2 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:49 pm

The Corey's wrote:Well

It didn't take long to see that Joe still ain't the one.

So much for surrounding him by experience.



Which part of this game are we blaming on Joe ? Just so I can follow along from home.

I saw frustrating stuff from different players, not sure what shots Joe missed.
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Post#248 » by The Corey's » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:52 pm

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The Corey's wrote:Well

It didn't take long to see that Joe still ain't the one.

So much for surrounding him by experience.



Which part of this game are we blaming on Joe ? Just so I can follow along from home.

I saw frustrating stuff from different players, not sure what shots Joe missed.


The part where Brown continues to iso and drive to his left.

When the Celtics went up by what? 10/12 points and then the sixers went on that huge run, what adjustments did Joe make to stop the bleeding?
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Post#249 » by KillahGhostface » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:56 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
KillahGhostface wrote:Tatum had a usage of 18.7% lol, got to give Nurse credit for a solid gameplan.

On BBRef, it's 20.1%. That's the lowest usage rate he's had post-Kyrie. Usually means someone else has to step up. With Jaylen having a stinker, we needed more from the "others" in this game.


It’s something Tatum and the coaches need to figure out ahead of next week. I mean yeah other players needed to hit the open looks he created, but they need to counter the shot suppression strategy.
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Post#250 » by shackles10 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 2:57 pm

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KillahGhostface wrote:We need to give Svi a shot over Pritchard.


Knew this place would be a mess after the game, so just got on here this morning to say exactly this. We need to quit having Pritchard be the primary ball handler when he’s in the game at the very least. It’s doing nothing for his confidence.

The contract extension for Pritchard is starting to look like a mistake. At this rate, we won't even be able to trade him because his play on the court is tanking any trade value he had left.

Hope he turns it around.

But in the meantime, we need to win games so I'm certainly open to giving Banton/Svi a chance in there to see if they can do better.


I like Banton more than most, but last night wasn't the game to give him a chance (not saying you are saying he should have last night either as I know you like Banton as well). Right now what Pritchard has provided is some pressure defense in the full court press with White and Jrue (Banton can do that), be a pretty decent defensive option on the switches (Banton can do that with his size), miss 3's (Banton can do that too lol), get into the lane (Banton can do that but can actually finish too). Pritchard did make some clutch 3's, but that seems like forever ago.

My worry with Svi is a little different and it's defensively how he'd do. I think against lesser opponents we should try each to know how they'll play with the starters.
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Post#251 » by pac213up » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:02 pm

The Corey's wrote:Well

It didn't take long to see that Joe still ain't the one.

So much for surrounding him by experience.


I am not high on Joe BUT really need to give this group 25-30 games to figure out what they have and make the proper adjustments.
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Post#252 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:03 pm

Read on Twitter

At 0:05, looks like PP was asking for the ball. Knew this was a turnover all the way through. One of those "what the hell is he thinking" plays. Had two more opportunities to pass it off. Frustrating player.
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Post#253 » by The Corey's » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:04 pm

pac213up wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Well

It didn't take long to see that Joe still ain't the one.

So much for surrounding him by experience.


I am not high on Joe BUT really need to give this group 25-30 games to figure out what they have and make the proper adjustments.


That's fine but the last game against the wolves with a timeout in his pocket and Scal screaming about not using it a year after a full season of that is quite evident to me that this is his style of choice and not a rookie coach not grasping the concept of the game.
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Post#254 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:28 pm

Celtics 5 wins

42.2 three point attempts per game, shooting 38.9% from three point range.

Celtics 2 losses

43.0 three point attempts per game, shooting 30.2% from three point range.

Has anything really changed over the last 7 years?
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Post#255 » by shackles10 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:33 pm

MaxwellSmart wrote:We lost a game in OT and we lost a game where KP missed a wide open 3....no big deal---we just can't let teams take us out of our offense, by hacking us all game. Minny and Philly roughed us up a bit, coulda won both games.
Oh, at the End....Embiid's foot was on the line, that's why he pivoted his heal, Ref missed it on purpose or was too far away to catch it.


I noticed that physicality making a difference too. We aren't whining as much in the past, but we do get called for touchy things (KP specifically) and get really bothered when the other team is physical and doesn't get called for it. We've gotta toughen up.
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Post#256 » by steefP2 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:38 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics 5 wins

42.2 three point attempts per game, shooting 38.9% from three point range.

Celtics 2 losses

43.0 three point attempts per game, shooting 30.2% from three point range.

Has anything really changed over the last 7 years?



Ii mean when a team loses in the nba; it’s usually cause they didn’t shoot well. That’s not unique to us. Last season the Celtics were definitely very outlier skewed in that regard but so far they’re 3-2. When shooting below 32% from 3. That’s pretty good. The focus on defense and rebounding has been working.

Would you rather lose because of other reasons ?
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Post#257 » by Infinite Llamas » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:46 pm

Serious question. Would we be a better team if we start Hauser over Brown?
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Post#258 » by 165bows » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:55 pm

steefP2 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics 5 wins

42.2 three point attempts per game, shooting 38.9% from three point range.

Celtics 2 losses

43.0 three point attempts per game, shooting 30.2% from three point range.

Has anything really changed over the last 7 years?



Ii mean when a team loses in the nba; it’s usually cause they didn’t shoot well. That’s not unique to us. Last season the Celtics were definitely very outlier skewed in that regard but so far they’re 3-2. When shooting below 32% from 3. That’s pretty good. The focus on defense and rebounding has been working.

Would you rather lose because of other reasons ?

From 30-35% (basically bad to league average or thereabouts) is 5%. Call it 40 three point shots in a game, that's 6 points. Two-thirds of the league average inside that margin as the deciding factor for their average game.
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Post#259 » by Fierce1 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 4:16 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

At 0:05, looks like PP was asking for the ball. Knew this was a turnover all the way through. One of those "what the hell is he thinking" plays. Had two more opportunities to pass it off. Frustrating player.

You can see this is a turnover a mile away.

So talented, but not very bright.
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Post#260 » by KillahGhostface » Thu Nov 9, 2023 4:19 pm

Including garbage time, their net rating without Tatum is -5.3. There’s a gap of 7.3 until you get to the next closest player, which is almost hard to believe.

On CTG, it’s like this

Tatum on: +19.0
Tatum off: -8.1

Jaylen on: +10.9
Jaylen off: +23.3

Tatum on/Jaylen off: +20.1
Jaylen on/Tatum off: -14.8

And a funny one, although really small sample

Tatum on, with Jaylen/Jrue/KP off: +66.0 lol

It’s super early, but it’s just an exaggerated version of what happens every season.

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