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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#241 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:03 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Doesn't really matter because whatever potential player Brad Stevens acquires Mazzulla wouldn't play him anyways.

I think if it's a guy like Coffey, Joe will play him at the expense of Sam.

Coffey is starter material.

If Cs move on from Jrue after the season, Coffey would be a good replacement.

As long as they are healthy, Mazzulla is going with his Top 9 guys: Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Holiday, Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet and that's it. In the playoffs that will drop to Top 8 (minus Kornet). Have you not been watching?

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.

But Coffey is just too good.

He's the exception.

Just not sure if the Cs can get him.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#242 » by phincsfan » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:53 pm

If Sam's back continues to be an issue I think one of two things will have to happen. 1) A move to be made to give the bench a boost. 2) Shut Sam down for an extended period of time. You can't play through a back issue with minute restrictions. Won't get better unless there is significant rest. The problem with a move is because team's know there's an issue going on with health they have leverage. Problem with shutting him down will be minutes will increase for starters unless Joe does it with the plan of getting more minutes for bench guys.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#243 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:56 pm

People can flame away but if I was Brad Stevens I would get rid of that Jrue Holiday contract as fast as I could if there was a market for him. You don't keep players for what they gave you but for what they can bring to your team in the future. I see a significant decline in soon to be 35 year old Jrue Holiday. Thank you for your help in winning a championship but it's time to go while the Celtics can still move him.

By the way, I don't think there is a real market for Holiday and Brad Stevens wouldn't move him even if there was a market.

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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#244 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:02 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:People can flame away but if I was Brad Stevens I would get rid of that Jrue Holiday contract as fast as I could if there was a market for him. You don't keep players for what they gave you but for what they can bring to your team in the future. I see a significant decline in soon to be 35 year old Jrue Holiday. Thank you for your help in winning a championship but it's time to go while the Celtics can still move him.

By the way, I don't think there is a real market for Holiday and Brad Stevens wouldn't move him even if there was a market.

Flame away.

Perfect time to trade Jrue is after the season.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#245 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:35 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:No better time to come up with major fake trade proposals than now. Anything goes. Let your heart out. This is a safe space. Who do you really want to trade away?

My fake trade of the day is two trades:

1. Move Springer and 2nd round pick to anyone for nothing (creating a roster spot).
2. Jrue Holiday and a 1st round pick to Houston for Steve Adams, Jeff Green and Jae' Sean Tate. Think Boston is going to have to attach a 1st round pick to move Holiday. Stevens needs to somehow convince Houston this is a good idea.

White, Pritchard
Brown, Tate, Scheierman
Tatum, Hauser, Walsh
Horford, J Green, Tillman
Porzingis, Adams, Kornet, Queta

Celtics salary flexibilty for 2025/2026 and beyond.

Real chance of happening 0%.

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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#246 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:46 pm

First, I think Jrue is a notorious slow starter (see last year). So I’m not ready to give up hope that he’ll basically be the same awesome player as last year once we get to playoff time. And secondarily, it’s hard to stomach that we give up Rob Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, the 14th pick last year, an unprotected first in 2029, to have Jrue for 18 months and then pay more first round draft capital to dump him. That’s too rich for my blood, rather ride it out and figure a better than 50-50 chance he is NOT cooked.

Just fundamentally, and maybe it’s born from being a fan when Ainge was here and picks were his precious, but I hate giving away picks to dump contracts, I just hate it. Brad traded more firsts in four years at the helm than Danny did in 18 years here

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zoyathedestroya wrote:No better time to come up with major fake trade proposals than now. Anything goes. Let your heart out. This is a safe space. Who do you really want to trade away?

My fake trade of the day is two trades:

1. Move Springer and 2nd round pick to anyone for nothing (creating a roster spot).
2. Jrue Holiday and a 1st round pick to Houston for Steve Adams, Jeff Green and Jae' Sean Tate. Think Boston is going to have to attach a 1st round pick to move Holiday. Stevens needs to somehow convince Houston this is a good idea.

White, Pritchard
Brown, Tate, Scheierman
Tatum, Hauser, Walsh
Horford, J Green, Tillman
Porzingis, Adams, Kornet, Queta

Celtics salary flexibilty for 2025/2026 and beyond.

Real chance of happening 0%.

Fake trade of the day!
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#247 » by cl2117 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:46 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:People can flame away but if I was Brad Stevens I would get rid of that Jrue Holiday contract as fast as I could if there was a market for him. You don't keep players for what they gave you but for what they can bring to your team in the future. I see a significant decline in soon to be 35 year old Jrue Holiday. Thank you for your help in winning a championship but it's time to go while the Celtics can still move him.

By the way, I don't think there is a real market for Holiday and Brad Stevens wouldn't move him even if there was a market.

Flame away.

I don't think this is flame worthy at all, but you hit the nail on the head with the fact that there isn't a market for him. Or more precisely there isn't a market for him which would yield a result that would make our team better for this season.

If there is a cheaper player or players that we could get for Holiday that would make us better this season it begs the question, why would that team trade them to us? For distant firsts that we can attach to his contract? I can't imagine it. There's just not a team out there looking for a vet PG as it's final piece that would warrant taking on his contract and giving up rotation level pieces.

I can see some avenues in the off-season if there's a team that's making a big play and wants to combine that with bringing in Jrue as a straw that stirs the drink in exchange for lesser roleplayers that give the C's some cheap depth and tax relief, but a) those deals aren't feasible now and b) it'll likely be an inevitable step back for us to some degree. Given that this team's payroll will necessitate a major shake up in the near future regardless of what we do this season, our best bet is to ride out what's left in the tank for Jrue and figure the rest out later because that's our best chance at going back to back anyway.

I think we gotta plow ahead but start managing minutes to keep guys fresh and try to develop some of the younger players for when we do have to move off Jrue and start getting more from the fringe players like Walsh/ Baylor/ Queta. Yeah we're going to lose some games in the process but at this juncture it seems like HCA in the Finals and East are slipping out of reach. We should prioritize health and fresh legs over that and hope we can turn it on when it matters (plus you've got the lottery ticket of a fringe guy flourishing or at least being more ready in case we get hit with a rash of injuries).

To that end I'm good with bringing in guys who we can match with Springer's contract and can be had for 2nds, even if they aren't likely to feature in the playoff rotation. As long as they can eat regular season minutes and not let us slip too far down the standings while managing the vets, that's all I think we need. Guys like Garrison Matthews, Seth Curry, Javonte, Lonnie etc. won't have an impact in the post-season but are both attainable and viable as regular season stand-ins. Of course a trade for a Walker Kessler or another guy who would genuinely be able to break into the top 9 guys would be great, but I just don't see it on the cards for us for lack of assets / matchable salary.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#248 » by cl2117 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:52 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:First, I think Jrue is a notorious slow starter (see last year). So I’m not ready to give up hope that he’ll basically be the same awesome player as last year once we get to playoff time. And secondarily, it’s hard to stomach that we give up Rob Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, the 14th pick last year, an unprotected first in 2029, to have Jrue for 18 months and then pay more first round draft capital to dump him. That’s too rich for my blood, rather ride it out and figure a better than 50-50 chance he is NOT cooked.

You're leaving out that we also got banner 18 in that exchange.

I too would ride it out over that trade though (although props to Celts17Pride for putting together something pretty damn reasonable all things considered). I'm willing to roll the dice that Jrue will show up come playoff time. Although you've got to acknowledge there's some risk there as well if he doesn't because our options could be even more limited next summer if he's coming off a poor showing.

Beautiful thing about Jrue is that we don't need him to be MJ, just gotta fill the spaces between the rest of the guys, which he is pretty damn good at doing when he's on.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#249 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:13 pm

I wouldn't advocate trading any particular guy-- but a shakeup is needed.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#250 » by Hal14 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:25 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Doesn't really matter because whatever potential player Brad Stevens acquires Mazzulla wouldn't play him anyways.

I think if it's a guy like Coffey, Joe will play him at the expense of Sam.

Coffey is starter material.

If Cs move on from Jrue after the season, Coffey would be a good replacement.

As long as they are healthy, Mazzulla is going with his Top 9 guys: Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Holiday, Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet and that's it. In the playoffs that will drop to Top 8 (minus Kornet). Have you not been watching?

We've all been watching. I don't think the snarkiness is necessary.

We've been watching who Mazzulla plays with the current roster. We cannot say for certain how much playing time a guy would get - who's not even on the roster yet.

Also, "as long as they are healthy"...that's not something we can guarantee, that our guys will all be healthy. Injuries are a part of the game. We've got some old players and some injury prone players. So who knows, maybe we acquire a player and they only play a little bit, but they help to give us some better depth/injury insurance than we have now..

As for Coffey, that seems to be a pipe dream. Clippers are the 5 seed in the west. They're trying to win. They just won a game by 59 points. Coffey in that game was the first guy off the bench. He played 31 mins - most on their team, with 13 points. I doubt he is going anywhere..unless it's part of a package to go and bring another star in. They're not trading him for picks and/or Springer..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#251 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:No better time to come up with major fake trade proposals than now. Anything goes. Let your heart out. This is a safe space. Who do you really want to trade away?

My fake trade of the day is two trades:

1. Move Springer and 2nd round pick to anyone for nothing (creating a roster spot).
2. Jrue Holiday and a 1st round pick to Houston for Steve Adams, Jeff Green and Jae' Sean Tate. Think Boston is going to have to attach a 1st round pick to move Holiday. Stevens needs to somehow convince Houston this is a good idea.

White, Pritchard
Brown, Tate, Scheierman
Tatum, Hauser, Walsh
Horford, J Green, Tillman
Porzingis, Adams, Kornet, Queta

Celtics salary flexibilty for 2025/2026 and beyond.

Real chance of happening 0%.

Fake trade of the day!

You are worried about how Jrue Holiday is going to age so you want to trade him for Jeff Green and Steven Adams, am I reading that right ?
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#252 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:53 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:No better time to come up with major fake trade proposals than now. Anything goes. Let your heart out. This is a safe space. Who do you really want to trade away?

My fake trade of the day is two trades:

1. Move Springer and 2nd round pick to anyone for nothing (creating a roster spot).
2. Jrue Holiday and a 1st round pick to Houston for Steve Adams, Jeff Green and Jae' Sean Tate. Think Boston is going to have to attach a 1st round pick to move Holiday. Stevens needs to somehow convince Houston this is a good idea.

White, Pritchard
Brown, Tate, Scheierman
Tatum, Hauser, Walsh
Horford, J Green, Tillman
Porzingis, Adams, Kornet, Queta

Celtics salary flexibilty for 2025/2026 and beyond.

Real chance of happening 0%.

Fake trade of the day!

You are worried about how Jrue Holiday is going to age so you want to trade him for Jeff Green and Steven Adams, am I reading that right ?

Adams, Tate and Green are all expiring. Holiday has 3 years left after this year at $34.5 million per year.
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Post#253 » by reload141 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:35 pm

At what point should we just blow it up? We won a championship, now it’s time to cash out and trade Tatum, Brown, Holiday etc.

Imagine the haul we could get for them.
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Post#254 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:06 pm

reload141 wrote:At what point should we just blow it up? We won a championship, now it’s time to cash out and trade Tatum, Brown, Holiday etc.

Imagine the haul we could get for them.

Brad messed up. Should have traded them last trade deadline. They would have been a year younger. Imagine how many more picks swaps we could have gotten.
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Post#255 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:08 pm

Hard to tell sarcasm in a text…

reload141 wrote:At what point should we just blow it up? We won a championship, now it’s time to cash out and trade Tatum, Brown, Holiday etc.

Imagine the haul we could get for them.
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Post#256 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:12 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:My fake trade of the day is two trades:

1. Move Springer and 2nd round pick to anyone for nothing (creating a roster spot).
2. Jrue Holiday and a 1st round pick to Houston for Steve Adams, Jeff Green and Jae' Sean Tate. Think Boston is going to have to attach a 1st round pick to move Holiday. Stevens needs to somehow convince Houston this is a good idea.

White, Pritchard
Brown, Tate, Scheierman
Tatum, Hauser, Walsh
Horford, J Green, Tillman
Porzingis, Adams, Kornet, Queta

Celtics salary flexibilty for 2025/2026 and beyond.

Real chance of happening 0%.

Fake trade of the day!

You are worried about how Jrue Holiday is going to age so you want to trade him for Jeff Green and Steven Adams, am I reading that right ?

Adams, Tate and Green are all expiring. Holiday has 3 years left after this year at $34.5 million per year.

Ok so you are worried about how well Holiday is going to play for the Celtics next year which is why you want to replace him with guys that are not going to play on the Celtics next year ? I'm sorry I'm not trying to be difficult or anything. I just have a hard time grasping the logic at play here.
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Post#257 » by reload141 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:41 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Hard to tell sarcasm in a text…

reload141 wrote:At what point should we just blow it up? We won a championship, now it’s time to cash out and trade Tatum, Brown, Holiday etc.

Imagine the haul we could get for them.


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Post#258 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:08 pm

Joe likes his double bigs so much I think I found the trade to give us our best shot for it to work. Kornet can veto any trade so this deal's fate is in his butterfinger hands.

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White | Holiday | Tatum | Wemby | Jokic
Pritchard | Hauser | Sochan | Horford

That's your 9-man playoff rotation. If they click, they might just be more than a 2nd round out.

EDIT: Needless to say, this kills Tatum's MVP chances. Can't have 3 MVPs on one team.
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Post#259 » by Fierce1 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:07 am

Hal14 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:I think if it's a guy like Coffey, Joe will play him at the expense of Sam.

Coffey is starter material.

If Cs move on from Jrue after the season, Coffey would be a good replacement.

As long as they are healthy, Mazzulla is going with his Top 9 guys: Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Holiday, Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser and Kornet and that's it. In the playoffs that will drop to Top 8 (minus Kornet). Have you not been watching?

We've all been watching. I don't think the snarkiness is necessary.

We've been watching who Mazzulla plays with the current roster. We cannot say for certain how much playing time a guy would get - who's not even on the roster yet.

Also, "as long as they are healthy"...that's not something we can guarantee, that our guys will all be healthy. Injuries are a part of the game. We've got some old players and some injury prone players. So who knows, maybe we acquire a player and they only play a little bit, but they help to give us some better depth/injury insurance than we have now..

As for Coffey, that seems to be a pipe dream. Clippers are the 5 seed in the west. They're trying to win. They just won a game by 59 points. Coffey in that game was the first guy off the bench. He played 31 mins - most on their team, with 13 points. I doubt he is going anywhere..unless it's part of a package to go and bring another star in. They're not trading him for picks and/or Springer..

Yeah, Coffey seems a long shot, but the Clippers already paid DJJ in FA and Terance Mann got his extension.

Not sure if the Clips can give Coffey big money when he becomes an UFA after the season.
Unless the Clips are ready to lose him for nothing in FA.

But I agree the most realistic scenario is the Clips trade for another star and Coffey is part of the outgoing package.
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Post#260 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:18 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Joe likes his double bigs so much I think I found the trade to give us our best shot for it to work. Kornet can veto any trade so this deal's fate is in his butterfinger hands.

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White | Holiday | Tatum | Wemby | Jokic
Pritchard | Hauser | Sochan | Horford

That's your 9-man playoff rotation. If they click, they might just be more than a 2nd round out.

EDIT: Needless to say, this kills Tatum's MVP chances. Can't have 3 MVPs on one team.


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