Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[Fierce1]

You just don’t understand, Tatum is going to have zero interest in a rebuild. Zero! Your idea is pushing Tatum out the door eventually

Nope!

I don't want a rebuild.

You keep Tatum, White, PP, Luke, and maybe even Sam.

Adding a soon to be 37-year old does not make sense because when JT returns, KD will be 38 going 39.

If you want a bridge until Tatum gets back, go for someone younger.

But it will take 3 or so years for that player you’re talking about to develop into a Jaylen Brown like player if they ever do. If they don’t then you’ve just put yourself on the treadmill and Tatum will be wearing a Knicks Lakers or Heat jersey sooner rather than later. I understand that’s the end game that a lot of posters want anyways provided the Celtics will keep churning new and exciting top prospects to salivate over but if you trade Brown for picks you’re effectively starting the clock on Tatum.

I don't want to trade JB for picks.

Castle, Keldon Johnson, and #14 for JB is a good deal for both teams.

Or the #2 pick, instead of Castle.

What we want is a combination of young guys and vets.

Again, I don't want a rebuild.

And if it comes to picks, I only want Flagg or Dylan Harper if we're losing JB.

[robdog_5]

Like I said, the right formula is what OKC has.

2 supermax players on one team just kills cap flexibility.

If we want to sustain winning until JT is in his 30s, it has to be 1 supermax, 1 all-star caliber, and a very good supporting cast.

Can't have a good supporting cast if 2 players on the roster is eating up close to 70% of your cap space.

OKC took 3-4 years. I guarantee you Jayson Tatum is not waiting 3-4 years. He would be on another team.

Just look at Giannis right now

I think Giannis situation is actually pointing to the direction of resetting. They held on and added older guys for win now. When those older guys looked and played old it cost them a shot at winning or rebuilding a win now roster. You have to get value. Wether that's picks, young serviceable good deals. This team is real old in 2 years when Tatum is maybe back to 100%. You need to add youth and or value to use on trades when he is back.

[Fierce1]

Like I said, the right formula is what OKC has.

2 supermax players on one team just kills cap flexibility.

If we want to sustain winning until JT is in his 30s, it has to be 1 supermax, 1 all-star caliber, and a very good supporting cast.

Can't have a good supporting cast if 2 players on the roster is eating up close to 70% of your cap space.

OKC took 3-4 years. I guarantee you Jayson Tatum is not waiting 3-4 years. He would be on another team.

Just look at Giannis right now

I think Giannis situation is actually pointing to the direction of resetting. They held on and added older guys for win now. When those older guys looked and played old it cost them a shot at winning or rebuilding a win now roster. You have to get value. Wether that's picks, young serviceable good deals. This team is real old in 2 years when Tatum is maybe back to 100%. You need to add youth and or value to use on trades when he is back.

Bingo!

2 NBA champions will be crowned before Tatum returns.

We're also not sure how good Tatum will be when he returns.

So the most realistic timeline is 2028.

A Castle or a Dylan Harper would be playoff ready by 2028.

[Fierce1]

Report says Mavs want a PG in trade market or FA.

Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

[Larry_Russell]

Report says Mavs want a PG in trade market or FA.

Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

That is one I have proposed in here a number of times.

Makes too much sense not to happen.


Jrue is a perfect stop gap until Kyrie returns and is an ideal backcourt mate FOR Kyrie. Elite from corner three, elite defender.

[Fierce1]

Report says Mavs want a PG in trade market or FA.

Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

That is one I have proposed in here a number of times.

Makes too much sense not to happen.


Jrue is a perfect stop gap until Kyrie returns and is an ideal backcourt mate FOR Kyrie. Elite from corner three, elite defender.

Agree.

Problem is it won't solve the 2nd apron issue because basically the salaries coming in is the same as the salary going out.

That's why I really believe that the Cs will be forced to trade JB.

[Larry_Russell]

Report says Mavs want a PG in trade market or FA.

Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

That is one I have proposed in here a number of times.

Makes too much sense not to happen.


Jrue is a perfect stop gap until Kyrie returns and is an ideal backcourt mate FOR Kyrie. Elite from corner three, elite defender.

Agree.

Problem is it won't solve the 2nd apron issue because basically the salaries coming in is the same as the salary going out.

That's why I really believe that the Cs will be forced to trade JB.

No neccessary, (although I want them to)

What can be done pretty easily.

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford, Washington and Dariq Whitehead to Boston
Max Christie, Sam Hauser, JD DAvidson and Xavier TIllman to Brooklyn

The result is 15.4 million in payroll cut.

Pritchard/
White/Whitehead
Brown/Schierman/Walsh
Washington/Craig
Kristaps/Gafford/Queta

Obviously some work to do to finish off roster....but its a good tanking team....and if Kristaps gets traded it would help fill some holes for sure.

**I still shop Brown for the #2 pick

[phincsfan]

Can't the C's just stretch Porzingis's last year? Instead of taking on a similar contract or even half of what he makes, why not just stretch him out over 5 years at 6mil a season? I'm pretty sure he can still sign somewhere else. That'll knock the payroll down to 199mil.

[Celts17Pride]

Nope!

I don't want a rebuild.

You keep Tatum, White, PP, Luke, and maybe even Sam.

Adding a soon to be 37-year old does not make sense because when JT returns, KD will be 38 going 39.

If you want a bridge until Tatum gets back, go for someone younger.

But it will take 3 or so years for that player you’re talking about to develop into a Jaylen Brown like player if they ever do. If they don’t then you’ve just put yourself on the treadmill and Tatum will be wearing a Knicks Lakers or Heat jersey sooner rather than later. I understand that’s the end game that a lot of posters want anyways provided the Celtics will keep churning new and exciting top prospects to salivate over but if you trade Brown for picks you’re effectively starting the clock on Tatum.

I don't want to trade JB for picks.

Castle, Keldon Johnson, and #14 for JB is a good deal for both teams.

Or the #2 pick, instead of Castle.

What we want is a combination of young guys and vets.

Again, I don't want a rebuild.

And if it comes to picks, I only want Flagg or Dylan Harper if we're losing JB.

You are not being realistic, Celtics are not getting Castle, #2 pick or the #1 pick.

[Celts17Pride]

Like I said, the right formula is what OKC has.

2 supermax players on one team just kills cap flexibility.

If we want to sustain winning until JT is in his 30s, it has to be 1 supermax, 1 all-star caliber, and a very good supporting cast.

Can't have a good supporting cast if 2 players on the roster is eating up close to 70% of your cap space.

OKC took 3-4 years. I guarantee you Jayson Tatum is not waiting 3-4 years. He would be on another team.

Just look at Giannis right now

I think Giannis situation is actually pointing to the direction of resetting. They held on and added older guys for win now. When those older guys looked and played old it cost them a shot at winning or rebuilding a win now roster. You have to get value. Wether that's picks, young serviceable good deals. This team is real old in 2 years when Tatum is maybe back to 100%. You need to add youth and or value to use on trades when he is back.

In 2-3 years Tatum will be like Giannis looking for a team that can win the chip because the Celtics will no longer be in the championship conversation.

[phincsfan]

But it will take 3 or so years for that player you’re talking about to develop into a Jaylen Brown like player if they ever do. If they don’t then you’ve just put yourself on the treadmill and Tatum will be wearing a Knicks Lakers or Heat jersey sooner rather than later. I understand that’s the end game that a lot of posters want anyways provided the Celtics will keep churning new and exciting top prospects to salivate over but if you trade Brown for picks you’re effectively starting the clock on Tatum.

I don't want to trade JB for picks.

Castle, Keldon Johnson, and #14 for JB is a good deal for both teams.

Or the #2 pick, instead of Castle.

What we want is a combination of young guys and vets.

Again, I don't want a rebuild.

And if it comes to picks, I only want Flagg or Dylan Harper if we're losing JB.

You are not being realistic, Celtics are not getting Castle, #2 pick or the #1 pick.

Agreed

There's 6 guys in front of him that the Spurs would rather trade.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm sure Tatum is laying in his hospital bed right now thinking I hope Stevens trades Brown, Holiday and Porzingis so I can work my ass off on my rehab for a year and come back to a 35 win team and become the Boston Hawks.

[tfribs45]

[quote="Celts17Pride"]I'm sure Tatum is laying in his hospital bed right now thinking I hope Stevens trades Brown, Holiday and Porzingis so I can work my ass off on my rehab for a year and come back to a 35 win team and become the Boston Hawks.[/quote


LOL this thread is always the land of make believe?! Who the HECK wants to go back to the AC Earl/Dino Radja days, gth outta here with that nonense.

[tfribs45]

I'm sure Tatum is laying in his hospital bed right now thinking I hope Stevens trades Brown, Holiday and Porzingis so I can work my ass off on my rehab for a year and come back to a 35 win team and become the Boston Hawks.

LOL this thread is always the land of make believe?! Who the HECK wants to go back to the AC Earl/Dino Radja days, gth outta here with that nonense.

[darrendaye]

I'm sure Tatum is laying in his hospital bed right now thinking I hope Stevens trades Brown, Holiday and Porzingis so I can work my ass off on my rehab for a year and come back to a 35 win team and become the Boston Hawks.

Tatum may be laying in his hospital bed right now thinking, Joe is going to give my utility belt to Brown and I want to stay Batman.

[lon3lytoaster]

Report says Mavs want a PG in trade market or FA.

Jrue for Gafford and PJ Washington.

That is one I have proposed in here a number of times.

Makes too much sense not to happen.


Jrue is a perfect stop gap until Kyrie returns and is an ideal backcourt mate FOR Kyrie. Elite from corner three, elite defender.

Oh yeah, I like it. We desperately need basically two starting bigs next year. With Tatum out at PF and Kristaps entering his Walter White era.

[Larry_Russell]

Jrue and KP to Dallas

Gafford, Klay, Christie, Marshall and Washington to Boston.

Move Klay to Brooklyn to save $$$$$$$

White/Pritchard
Brown/Christie
Marshall/Hauser/Walsh
Washington/Craig?
Gafford/Kornet/Queta

Draft to fill out roster, maybe sign a cheap VET backup PF if Horford doesnt come back as a vet guy.

[GoCeltics123]

Posted this on reddit:

Thank god KP is an expiring, if it weren't for that we'd be in a brutal, brutal spot. But with the way Kornet is playing, I'd sure like to re-sign him, and the easiest way to do that is to dump KP (and Jrue). But KP has been AWFUL this postseason, and this illness is going to cause concern for teams. The Celtics have 28 and 32 in this years draft, and I'd like to hold onto one of those, and maybe use one to dump one of these guys. But will they ask for a first at this point?

Some guys you could feasibly trade KP for are:

John Collins (saves about $4 mil, maybe you do this if you can't retain Kornet?)

Marcus Smart+Saddiq Bey (saves about $3 mil)

DeRozan (saves about $6 mil)

Some 3-team combo for KCP.

Rui+Vando.

I'm worried all of those teams would ask for draft compensation to take on KP at this point, even as an expiring, and I really don't want to give up future firsts. We gotta hope it's like the THJ trade and it's seconds.

And that doesn't even take into account Jrue's market, Jrue's still good but what team would want his contract? Dallas maybe? Miami? Lakers?

[GoCeltics123]

Yossi Gozlan, who's a great cap guy for Hoopshype, was saying when Tatum's injury happened that he thinks there'll be a few teams interested in Jrue. He just didn't think we'd get much of anything for him. Front offices seem to love what he brings to the locker room as well, he mentioned a team like Charlotte could use that.

Something like Nurkic+Okogie for Jrue (I know it's jack ****, but we're off the contract).

KP he called a "neutral" asset due to being expiring.

[chrisab123]

I'm sure Tatum is laying in his hospital bed right now thinking I hope Stevens trades Brown, Holiday and Porzingis so I can work my ass off on my rehab for a year and come back to a 35 win team and become the Boston Hawks.

LOL this thread is always the land of make believe?! Who the HECK wants to go back to the AC Earl/Dino Radja days, gth outta here with that nonense.

You’ve read these proposals right?

Jaylen Brown for 2nd rounders. Jaylen Brown for a late 1st and expirings. Derrick White for picks. Jrue and KP for cap relief. 35 wins would be the ceiling for that squad. No one wants to be a 35 win team long term but half this board wants to tank hard. One of the most popular teams I’ve ever seen on this board was the 06-07 Celtics. They couldn’t win a game but everyone creamed themselves over G-Money and Big Al and were beyond pissed when they were traded for KG. Hell a lot of the fan base wanted to build around Marcus and Tatum, not Tatum and Brown. Because Marcus was the “Heart and Soul” of the Celtics. Even though basketball wise it was 1000% the right move to make. The fans here care more about prospects and finances than attending a parade. It’s what it is.

Now it’s clear cap room to go after Joker. Boston is not a destination for top level free agents. It never will be. You’ll get like the Haywards, the Big Al’s but you aren’t getting elite game changing FAs.