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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#241 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:57 am

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ddb wrote:Been absolutely swamped on business trips but wanted to pop in to kindly remind everyone that Boston can now legally under the 2nd apron trade JB AND DWhite to San Antonio. The only JB type deal I see that makes sense all around is JB and White to Spurs for a return beginning with #2, #14, Castle. More would have to be included like Vassell, Barnes, Sochan is in play. Etc etc. just worth noting that it can now be done.

How does that make sense for Boston?

That is a terrible trade

That is a Tatum is out until 26-27, let’s reset franchise and use Harper/Castle and future picks to find the N0. 2 and No. 3 we want.

I think if it was Castle and Harper, Boston has to do it.


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Post#242 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:04 am

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ddb wrote:Been absolutely swamped on business trips but wanted to pop in to kindly remind everyone that Boston can now legally under the 2nd apron trade JB AND DWhite to San Antonio. The only JB type deal I see that makes sense all around is JB and White to Spurs for a return beginning with #2, #14, Castle. More would have to be included like Vassell, Barnes, Sochan is in play. Etc etc. just worth noting that it can now be done.

How does that make sense for Boston?

That is a terrible trade

That is a Tatum is out until 26-27, let’s reset franchise and use Harper/Castle and future picks to find the N0. 2 and No. 3 we want.

I think if it was Castle and Harper, Boston has to do it.


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Brown and White are worth more than that.

The picks are worthless when that probably turns San Antonio into an instant contender.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#243 » by dortmunder » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:45 am

Niang is a celtics fan since a child. He was born in Lawrence Mass.
He will get love.
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Post#244 » by Memokerobi » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:46 am

3 team trade with San Antonio and New Orleans
We get #2, Keldon Johnson, Trey Murphy
Pelicans get multiple 1sts, Stephon Castle, Vassel
Spurs get Jaylen and Hauser

Who says no
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Post#245 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:49 am

Apart from getting under the second apron which has always been a stated goal of the ownership/FO, it appears they're setting the Celtics up for a major move or two for the summer of 2026 when Tatum is likely fully back. Don't get too attached to the players coming back in the KP/Jrue dumps. And don't get too worked up about positional balance, at least not for this upcoming season. We're not winning **** in 2026. I will eat said **** if we do.
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Post#246 » by Ed Pinkney » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:52 am

Can someone remind me what the rules around packaging newly acquired players in additional moves are? Can Niang and/or Simons be sent out in the same trade straight away (together or with other current players on the roster) or is there some sort of wait period? I know there are some restrictions but cant remember what they are.
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Post#247 » by The Corey's » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:57 am

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jfs1000d wrote:Tatum, Brown, White is a championship level core. They just need to find a dominant big man by the time Tatum gets back.


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So you keep your 3 best players and their cap holds. How do you get better? You're not signing anyone and you got nothing to trade.
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Called draft and develop. And using The MLE and such to aggregate contracts.

My goodness, the salary cap isn’t that difficult to manage. The issue with the roster is two max guys. If they can’t sustain, trade Brown.


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It's incredibly hard to manage. They just dumped two guys for almost nothing because of it.

The mle? The draft?!

Lol. Unless you're drafting in the top 3, good luck being the team that finds the the game changing gems.
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Post#248 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:18 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:Can someone remind me what the rules around packaging newly acquired players in additional moves are? Can Niang and/or Simons be sent out in the same trade straight away (together or with other current players on the roster) or is there some sort of wait period? I know there are some restrictions but cant remember what they are.

They can be traded immediately.

There's a wait period if you aggregate them.
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Post#249 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:21 am

Memokerobi wrote:3 team trade with San Antonio and New Orleans
We get #2, Keldon Johnson, Trey Murphy
Pelicans get multiple 1sts, Stephon Castle, Vassel
Spurs get Jaylen and Hauser

Who says no

Spurs will say no.

#2, #14, Keldon, and Vassell will be enough.

Castle will be the deal breaker.
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Post#250 » by ParticleMan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:27 am

you really gonna trade JB and/or DW for a pupu platter of picks and rotation guys? we got an MVP caliber guy coming back in a year, do you really think that's a better path to contention? we'd be wasting Tatum's prime praying dylan harper develops into someone as good as JB.

if i'm trading JB it's for another star, not a blow-it-up rebuild. not sure who's available but giannis is the most obvious target. the only other thing i'd consider is for cooper flagg.
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Post#251 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:55 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Apart from getting under the second apron which has always been a stated goal of the ownership/FO, it appears they're setting the Celtics up for a major move or two for the summer of 2026 when Tatum is likely fully back. Don't get too attached to the players coming back in the KP/Jrue dumps. And don't get too worked up about positional balance, at least not for this upcoming season. We're not winning **** in 2026. I will eat said **** if we do.


Pretty much, the players we just got could get traded before ever putting on a Celtics jersey on.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#252 » by cl2117 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:01 am

hugepatsfan wrote:I expect them to combine the Jrue to POR deal with the BRK/ATL 3-way. The trade mechanics of that will mean that both Simons and Niang are acquired via salary matching with Porzingis ($30.7M outgoing enables them to take back both of those guys). That means they'll generate a $32.4M TPE for Jrue.

They'll turn the $35.9M of expiring salary for Simons/Niang into abut $19M of expiring salary to duck the tax. I imagine that takes all their 2nd rounders to do. They'll go into next offseason with a $32.4M TPE and about $30M below the tax line. They'll use their 2026 1st rounder since it probably ends up decently high. They'll have hung on to Tatum/Brown/White/Hauser/Pritchard and hope for good development out of their picks this year and Scheierman to go with the 2026 1st. And they'll have that $32.4M TPE to use in a deal that sends out FUTURE 1sts for a player hopefully to slot in behind Tatum/brown/White as the 4th guy. All while still ducking the tax again in 26-27 that way they can go back to league high payroll levels again after that.

That's the path back to competing, IMO.

This is the way.

It's punting on this season but it gives us the best chance to fully bounce back in the following year. I keep calling it "soft tanking", we're not going to bottom out entirely but we're not putting our foot on the gas we're setting the stage for our next big push in 26/27. That likely yields a lotto pick and then as you say you start stacking what we've still got on the roster with some new pieces (2026 pick, someone via Jrue TPE, more moves in the margin with the bodies we get back trading out of Simons/Niang deals) and we're back in business.

There is a very small voice in the back of my head telling me that if we duck the tax this season, staying out for another year gets us out of the repeater entirely for the next few years but that would be malpractice given that it'd mean not adding to the team with a healthy Tatum back.

I keep coming back to Duncan Robinson's $19.8m contract only guaranteed for $9.8m. If Miami are hellbent on staying relevant Simons could be a possibility for them or a third team that doesn't want to eat Duncan. If we can foist Duncan onto a cap space/TPE team we can basically clear the salary entirely.

If we can actually get off most/all of Simons deal then Brad can go on the hunt for some bargains even. Trying to find 2nd draft guys or snag some cap casualties from the likes of OKC. Would be great to end up in a place with that kind of breathing room where we can be more active in trying to find diamonds in the rough.
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Post#253 » by klemen44 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:08 am

Brad has done amazing job... To shave 22mullion in Porzingis trade, absolutely could not do it better.

And lets be real, Porzingis was a no factor in 2024 championship, Jru was hugely important but it is on a big decline.

Prichard
White
Brown
Tatum

Are the only keepers and Im sure with other assets Brad will get a great starting C, if nit for 25/26 than for 26/27.
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Post#254 » by Scarletfire81 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:17 am

I know it won’t happen, but Jaylen Brown to the Mavs for the #1 pick makes a lot of sense for both teams. Celtics dont have a center & he’s a local kid, he doesn’t fit the MAVS timeline. Jaylen & Kyrie are also friends & it fills a need for them. They would be instant contenders. It’s probably the only trade I would consider if I was Brad.
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Post#255 » by cl2117 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:23 am

ParticleMan wrote:you really gonna trade JB and/or DW for a pupu platter of picks and rotation guys? we got an MVP caliber guy coming back in a year, do you really think that's a better path to contention? we'd be wasting Tatum's prime praying dylan harper develops into someone as good as JB.

if i'm trading JB it's for another star, not a blow-it-up rebuild. not sure who's available but giannis is the most obvious target. the only other thing i'd consider is for cooper flagg.

Giannis and Flagg are no brainers but neither seem like realistic options.

I'm not a fan of the pupu platter option but I guess it really does come down to the haul doesn't it? If you're getting the kind of rebuilding pick package that could feasibly have us throw our own 2026 lotto pick and 1-2-3-4 more on and make a Giannis or Flagg or dare I say Jokic trade possible in the future I think you have to consider it. Stars change team like they change socks these days so somebody is going to be available for whatever haul you bring in you just are at the whim of what stars are on the block when you're ready to cash in your assets (and whether you've landed enough value to be in pole position).

JB isn't going to land you that kind of haul so I agree the pupu platter options should be DOA because it doesn't get you far enough.

The only trades that we should look at are with the Spurs for #2 (assuming they absolutely love Harper, which I don't but if the FO fully believed he was the next coming it would make sense) or trades where we get a lower tier but up and coming player like Murphy, Bane, Jalen Johnson, Garland, Thompson AND some extra value so we're getting a more affordable contract that we think can take the next step plus some ammo if we want to add another similar tiered player.

Something like Murphy and #7 as a return is hugely appealing to me. Murphy gives you 70-80% of what JB does at less than 50% of the cost. If you can get those two pieces plus a little something extra and Trey keeps developing and/or you hit with #7 pick, we're back in business with a cap position that isn't nearly as cumbersome. But I don't think that's an option unless Dumars or the GM of one of these other teams comes calling proactively trying to get JB.
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Post#256 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:27 am

klemen44 wrote:Brad has done amazing job... To shave 22mullion in Porzingis trade, absolutely could not do it better.

And lets be real, Porzingis was a no factor in 2024 championship, Jru was hugely important but it is on a big decline.

Prichard
White
Brown
Tatum

Are the only keepers and Im sure with other assets Brad will get a great starting C, if nit for 25/26 than for 26/27.

Porzingis was a big factor in winning a heap of regular season games and keeping Al fresh for the playoffs.

Going forward expecting a very old Horford to continually carry the front court is comical.
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Post#257 » by cl2117 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:50 am

I'm still confused how the Nets ended up with #22 in that KP. Not so much from a value standpoint, but they already have so many picks and there are rumors that we want to move up towards the lottery. I assume Brad refused to give up and future draft capital and Nets refused to take #28 and trying to offer them a high 2nd in this draft as compensation is like trying to sell snow to an eskimo.

Still though it would have been sweet if we had sent out #28 and got back #22. Adding #32 might even get you a few spots even further up if there was someone they really wanted to target (hopefully a big man).

Not the end of the world but that certainly would have been a cherry on top.
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Post#258 » by The Corey's » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:51 am

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klemen44 wrote:Brad has done amazing job... To shave 22mullion in Porzingis trade, absolutely could not do it better.

And lets be real, Porzingis was a no factor in 2024 championship, Jru was hugely important but it is on a big decline.

Prichard
White
Brown
Tatum

Are the only keepers and Im sure with other assets Brad will get a great starting C, if nit for 25/26 than for 26/27.

Porzingis was a big factor in winning a heap of regular season games and keeping Al fresh for the playoffs.

Going forward expecting a very old Horford to continually carry the front court is comical.


The Celtics probably lose game 1 of the finals if not for KP. He turned the tide in that game.

It's so easy to look back now and say they walked away with that finals but everything changes if they don't win game 1.

To dismiss KP contributions is ignorant and I don't know why these people keep doing it.
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Post#259 » by Shamrock » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:52 am

ddb wrote:Been absolutely swamped on business trips but wanted to pop in to kindly remind everyone that Boston can now legally under the 2nd apron trade JB AND DWhite to San Antonio. The only JB type deal I see that makes sense all around is JB and White to Spurs for a return beginning with #2, #14, Castle. More would have to be included like Vassell, Barnes, Sochan is in play. Etc etc. just worth noting that it can now be done.


I would entertain this. It’s likely that JB will be 30 and DWhite 32 by the time JT comes back. I think the decline for JB will relatively quick. We need to set us up for the next 5-10 years
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Post#260 » by The Corey's » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:10 am

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ddb wrote:Been absolutely swamped on business trips but wanted to pop in to kindly remind everyone that Boston can now legally under the 2nd apron trade JB AND DWhite to San Antonio. The only JB type deal I see that makes sense all around is JB and White to Spurs for a return beginning with #2, #14, Castle. More would have to be included like Vassell, Barnes, Sochan is in play. Etc etc. just worth noting that it can now be done.


I would entertain this. It’s likely that JB will be 30 and DWhite 32 by the time JT comes back. I think the decline for JB will relatively quick. We need to set us up for the next 5-10 years


Look what Memphis got for Bane.

That return isn't even close to enough for White and Brown.

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