OT: Art, Music, Literature, Media, and More! Part 1

[truth18]

By the way. "Blade Runner" is amazing.

Check out the original: the book: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

Even better.

[KJandHondo35]

Movie I love that might even been top 5 for me... Blade Runner.

You have peak Harrison Ford with Ridley Scott coming off Alien. What I love about this film is the world building Scott manages, he creates this dystopian future with noir elements we saw in Alien but does it in a way that I actually want to be in that place. You also interact with a lot of tech in this movie (that really plays a big role in the overall plot) but also holds up even after over 30 years. Remember the computer Deckard uses to zoom in on this image, then every time it rebuilds the image that he uses simply by voice communication…. If you change out the monitor and refresh the graphics in it, that’s a technological tool that even today would be innovative. Soundtrack lowkey is awesome as well.

This brings me to my other observation; Is Harrison Ford’s run from Star Wars IV (1977) to Indiana Jones Temple of Doom (1984) the best run of leading roles/movies ever?

Check this out:
Star Wars: Eposode IV – A New Hope (1977)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Blade Runner (1982)
Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi (1983)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)

Apocalypse he wasn’t “the lead” but I still have to give him credit as it’s a ridiculously iconic film at he was like 8th billed. I don’t know who tops that, ones that come to mind that have a chance is prime Cruise or prime Leonardo. Another that could match it is Chris Pratt, he’s in the midst of his run, hope to see him continue to kill it.

Are you just referring to money makers or films? If film in general, I take these all day:

Deniro
Bang the Drum Slowly (1973)
Mean Streets (1973)
Godfather 2 (1974)
Taxi Driver (1976)
New York New York (1977)
The Deer Hunter (1978)
Raging Bull (1980)
The King of Comedy (1982)
Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

Pacino
Panic in Needle Park(1971)
The Godfather (1972)
Scarecrow (1973)
Serpico (1973)
The Godfather 2 (1974)
Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
Bobby Deerfield (1977)
And Justice For All (1979)
Cruising (1980)
Author Author (1982)
Scarface (1983)

Hanks
A League of Their Own (1992)
Sleepless in Seattle (1993)
Philadelphia (1993)
Forrest Gump (1994)
Apollo 13 (1995)
Toy Story (1995)
That Thing You Do (1996)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Toy Story 2 (1999)
The Green Mile (1999)
Cast Away (2000)
Road to Perdition (2002)
Catch Me if You Can (2002)

If "popcorn movies" and revenue are the subject matter, I take Ford or Cruise though. However, quality of films goes to this triple threat all day.

Yeah I was kind of thinking about it on like a Culture/imprint standpoint, but looking at Hanks... my God what a run as well.

[Pacino62]

Movie I love that might even been top 5 for me... Blade Runner.

You have peak Harrison Ford with Ridley Scott coming off Alien. What I love about this film is the world building Scott manages, he creates this dystopian future with noir elements we saw in Alien but does it in a way that I actually want to be in that place. You also interact with a lot of tech in this movie (that really plays a big role in the overall plot) but also holds up even after over 30 years. Remember the computer Deckard uses to zoom in on this image, then every time it rebuilds the image that he uses simply by voice communication…. If you change out the monitor and refresh the graphics in it, that’s a technological tool that even today would be innovative. Soundtrack lowkey is awesome as well.

This brings me to my other observation; Is Harrison Ford’s run from Star Wars IV (1977) to Indiana Jones Temple of Doom (1984) the best run of leading roles/movies ever?

Check this out:


If "popcorn movies" and revenue are the subject matter, I take Ford or Cruise though. However, quality of films goes to this triple threat all day.

Yeah I was kind of thinking about it on like a Culture/imprint standpoint, but looking at Hanks... my God what a run as well.

Oh no doubt if you're talking about culture. Same can be said for Spielberg, Cameron, Lucas, Carpenter and R Scott for Directors. I'd take Scorcese and Tarantino any day of the week, but those first five guys impacted multiple generations in the worlds of adventure, sci-fi, horror, toys, comics, etc.

[truth18]

This whole plot is totally going to peak with China. it's got China written all over it. Can't wait, cause it rings so true. My wife thinks Evil Corp is a shot at Enron, but I think it's aimed more at Bank of America.

Yeah its my favorite show on TV. Everyone should be watching it.

I think you guys are 100% wrong on the Tyler Durden stuff though. I don't think the show is headed in that direction at all. It is not a predictable show at all.

He's got to be Tyler Durden. Every Time the main character was spotted with Slater's character and the cyber team, only one of them has spoke. You could never see Slater's character, Main character any of the other team engage in 3 way conversation. it's like Mr Robot was a visible ghost only to the main character when they'd all talk. I think he's 100% Tyler Durden. I'd be completely shocked if he wasn't some type of alter ego at this point. he's got to be. He's the main character's Mr hyde

See, the reason I don't think its like that is the very fact that the show is being way too obvious about it, just like you said. Even the marketing has Elliot's face with a big "Mr. Robot" under it.

I think its a definite red herring, and that F society is indeed being run my a Mr. Robot physically separate from Elliot, either that, or perhaps something far more out there than a Durden-esque twist.

If it is a Jekyl/Hyde type of thing, I will be massively disappointed in the show, maybe even enough to stop watching. It seems way more aware of itself than to go down that cliched path.

[KJandHondo35]

Oh no doubt if you're talking about culture. Same can be said for Spielberg, Cameron, Lucas, Carpenter and R Scott for Directors. I'd take Scorcese and Tarantino any day of the week, but those first five guys impacted multiple generations in the worlds of adventure, sci-fi, horror, toys, comics, etc.

How how are you for the Scorsese HBO show coming out. Saw that trailer and pretty interested, as well as "Westworld" look great.

[Bad-Thoma]

By the way. "Blade Runner" is amazing.

Check out the original: the book: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

Even better.

That's funny, I'm reading that right now. Just finished PKD's short story "The 2nd variety", there was a watchable Peter Weller low budget movie called Screamers made from it, it's a great and quick read.

[truth18]

B.D. Wong was fantastic in last night's insane episode.

[15th overall]

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" actually completely changed my opinion of Blade Runner for the worse tbh. Made me realize just how much of the story wasn't being explained. I still enjoy it but it's mostly because of the vibe/setting and how cool it would be to have a chinese restaurant just dock at your apartment like that.

Best dystopian film to come out of the 80's is Brazil IMO. Harry Tuttle is like a Special Ops version of Super Mario (who coincidently is also in the movie. RIP). I was keeping an eye on Seth Tuttle's draft stock specifically because of my love for that movie. Had we invited him to Summer League or something I would've constantly referred to him as Buttle just to see who picked up on it.

[Pacino62]

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" actually completely changed my opinion of Blade Runner for the worse tbh. Made me realize just how much of the story wasn't being explained. I still enjoy it but it's mostly because of the vibe/setting and how cool it would be to have a chinese restaurant just dock at your apartment like that.

Best dystopian film to come out of the 80's is Brazil IMO. Harry Tuttle is like a Special Ops version of Super Mario (who coincidently is also in the movie. RIP). I was keeping an eye on Seth Tuttle's draft stock specifically because of my love for that movie. Had we invited him to Summer League or something I would've constantly referred to him as Buttle just to see who picked up on it.

Another Deniro gem role.

And the 70's? Got to go with Clockwork. Right? I saw that movie when I was waaaaaaay too young. Lol

[Pacino62]

Oh no doubt if you're talking about culture. Same can be said for Spielberg, Cameron, Lucas, Carpenter and R Scott for Directors. I'd take Scorcese and Tarantino any day of the week, but those first five guys impacted multiple generations in the worlds of adventure, sci-fi, horror, toys, comics, etc.

How how are you for the Scorsese HBO show coming out. Saw that trailer and pretty interested, as well as "Westworld" look great.

Really looking forward to both. More so "Vinyl" because I'm a huge Scorsese fan and loved Bobby Cannavale in "Boardwalk Empire" (amongst many other small roles-"Chef", etc). Don't get me wrong...really looking forward to "Westworld" as well. However, and I'm sure you can tell from my posts, I'm not as into sci-fi and the blockbuster type as I am into other genres.

This "Mr Robot" has my interest piqued. I've got to check it out.

[SuperDeluxe]

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" actually completely changed my opinion of Blade Runner for the worse tbh. Made me realize just how much of the story wasn't being explained. I still enjoy it but it's mostly because of the vibe/setting and how cool it would be to have a chinese restaurant just dock at your apartment like that.

Best dystopian film to come out of the 80's is Brazil IMO. Harry Tuttle is like a Special Ops version of Super Mario (who coincidently is also in the movie. RIP). I was keeping an eye on Seth Tuttle's draft stock specifically because of my love for that movie. Had we invited him to Summer League or something I would've constantly referred to him as Buttle just to see who picked up on it.

Another Deniro gem role.

And the 70's? Got to go with Clockwork. Right? I saw that movie when I was waaaaaaay too young. Lol

Oh man, those are two of my favourite movies of all time. Coincidentally, my four favourite books are "A Clockwork Orange", "1984", "Brave New World", and "Fahrenheit 451". See a pattern here? I have a fascination for issues of social control and the different forms that totalitarianism and state violence can adopt.

In the same vein (though not in the same class) is "Strange Days", directed by Kathryn Bigelow. While a fan of future dystopias, I'm not a fan of cyberpunk... but I did enjoy this movie.

[canman1971]

For some odd reason, a few years ago I became a fan of Hollywood Undead from one of my students. Only odd as it is not normally my style of music. All of their records are pretty solid with only a few duds on each. Fun party songs to dark apocalyptic stuff. Also, super inappropriate for kids, which is why a student brought a song in on a unit we do regarding the First Amendment and censorship.

Also, Clockwork was one of my favorites while in college. Hard to believe that was '71(?). Strange Days was bizarre as was Mulholland Drive.

[Pacino62]

"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" actually completely changed my opinion of Blade Runner for the worse tbh. Made me realize just how much of the story wasn't being explained. I still enjoy it but it's mostly because of the vibe/setting and how cool it would be to have a chinese restaurant just dock at your apartment like that.

Best dystopian film to come out of the 80's is Brazil IMO. Harry Tuttle is like a Special Ops version of Super Mario (who coincidently is also in the movie. RIP). I was keeping an eye on Seth Tuttle's draft stock specifically because of my love for that movie. Had we invited him to Summer League or something I would've constantly referred to him as Buttle just to see who picked up on it.

Another Deniro gem role.

And the 70's? Got to go with Clockwork. Right? I saw that movie when I was waaaaaaay too young. Lol

Oh man, those are two of my favourite movies of all time. Coincidentally, my four favourite books are "A Clockwork Orange", "1984", "Brave New World", and "Fahrenheit 451". See a pattern here? I have a fascination for issues of social control and the different forms that totalitarianism and state violence can adopt.

In the same vein (though not in the same class) is "Strange Days", directed by Kathryn Bigelow. While a fan of future dystopias, I'm not a fan of cyberpunk... but I did enjoy this movie.

"Strange Days" is so under appreciated. Do you go as far back as "Soylent Green"? Haha. I read Clockwork and Farenheight. Clockwork was an incredible read.

Did you see "Children of Men" with Clive Owen? Awesome movie and based on what you're into, I think you'd love it.

[Pacino62]

For some odd reason, a few years ago I became a fan of Hollywood Undead from one of my students. Only odd as it is not normally my style of music. All of their records are pretty solid with only a few duds on each. Fun party songs to dark apocalyptic stuff. Also, super inappropriate for kids, which is why a student brought a song in on a unit we do regarding the First Amendment and censorship.

Also, Clockwork was one of my favorites while in college. Hard to believe that was '71(?). Strange Days was bizarre as was Mulholland Drive.

Oh boy. I could dedicate an entire thread to that lunatic David Lynch. Ha

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Yeah its my favorite show on TV. Everyone should be watching it.

I think you guys are 100% wrong on the Tyler Durden stuff though. I don't think the show is headed in that direction at all. It is not a predictable show at all.

He's got to be Tyler Durden. Every Time the main character was spotted with Slater's character and the cyber team, only one of them has spoke. You could never see Slater's character, Main character any of the other team engage in 3 way conversation. it's like Mr Robot was a visible ghost only to the main character when they'd all talk. I think he's 100% Tyler Durden. I'd be completely shocked if he wasn't some type of alter ego at this point. he's got to be. He's the main character's Mr hyde

See, the reason I don't think its like that is the very fact that the show is being way too obvious about it, just like you said. Even the marketing has Elliot's face with a big "Mr. Robot" under it.

I think its a definite red herring, and that F society is indeed being run my a Mr. Robot physically separate from Elliot, either that, or perhaps something far more out there than a Durden-esque twist.

If it is a Jekyl/Hyde type of thing, I will be massively disappointed in the show, maybe even enough to stop watching. It seems way more aware of itself than to go down that cliched path.

Mind blown last night

[truth18]

Another Deniro gem role.

And the 70's? Got to go with Clockwork. Right? I saw that movie when I was waaaaaaay too young. Lol

Oh man, those are two of my favourite movies of all time. Coincidentally, my four favourite books are "A Clockwork Orange", "1984", "Brave New World", and "Fahrenheit 451". See a pattern here? I have a fascination for issues of social control and the different forms that totalitarianism and state violence can adopt.

In the same vein (though not in the same class) is "Strange Days", directed by Kathryn Bigelow. While a fan of future dystopias, I'm not a fan of cyberpunk... but I did enjoy this movie.

"Strange Days" is so under appreciated. Do you go as far back as "Soylent Green"? Haha. I read Clockwork and Farenheight. Clockwork was an incredible read.

Did you see "Children of Men" with Clive Owen? Awesome movie and based on what you're into, I think you'd love it.

Strange Days is great. Angela Basset is **** badass in that movie. Children of Men is also fantastic. Brazil? Of course. Classic.

I actually feel like Clockwork was a horrible, gimmicky book. And if I'm not mistaken, Burgess wasn't even a fan of it himself (could be remembering this incorrectly). Either way, I think it's incredibly over rated and relies on its gimmicks way too much. It's almost the opposite of Blade Runner/Androids to me: the movie ruined the book as it is so superior.

I am also very much into governments' system's of control. I do a lot of independent research on this stuff, thus I've mostly been thinking and writing about the current illogical paranoia in the conspiracy theory community, and the harm it can cause, contrasted with the real systems of control. I have also been playing with a theory that a lot of this illogical paranoia is a direct result of media from the 80s and 90s dealing with similar material. There is likely a cultural reason that reptiles, men in black, ufos, etc are the agents of said paranoia, as opposed to the more real threats present in our agriculture, etc. Just cool stuff to think about when it comes down to. Good way to exercise the brain.

I guess we were both correct, Fidel. I did not see that happening with Darlene, nor did I think that Mr. Robot was quite who he is.

A modern Sci fi movie that gave me a 90s feel was "Moon", by David Bowie's son Duncan Jones. Great stuff, especially from Kevin Spacey. You guys would probably dig it.

[Pacino62]

I guess I'm just impressed with the fact that Clockwork came out in the early 60's. Ahead of it's time is an understatement. My recollection (haven't researched it since the mid 90's when I read it), was he disliked a few chapters. Maybe I'm wrong. I guess we all have those movie/book love/hates. Loved "The Road" and hated the movie. Despite it having one of my favorite actors (Viggo).

Speaking of Viggo and the aforementioned Cronenberg, their teaming in "Eastern Promises" and "History of Violence" were FANTASTIC!!

"Moon" we can agree on. Sam Rockwell is astonishing in that movie. Love him and that was a true actors showcase.

[15th overall]

I can vouch for Moon as well. Quality and IMO Sam Rockwell and Kevin Spacey are two of the coolest actors in the business.

Quick aside about that movie that involves REAL SPOILERS about not only Moon, but another movie* as well. You've been warned:

Spoiler:

"Oblivion" is the exact same movie.

Moon >, tho. It's the original too.

*Name of other movie:

Spoiler:

Oblivion w/ Tom Cruise

[SuperDeluxe]

"Strange Days" is so under appreciated. Do you go as far back as "Soylent Green"? Haha. I read Clockwork and Farenheight. Clockwork was an incredible read.

Did you see "Children of Men" with Clive Owen? Awesome movie and based on what you're into, I think you'd love it.

I saw "Soylent Green" six or seven years ago. It looked so dated that it felt like a "past dystopia" more than a future dystopia

I did see "Children of Men", but the problem is that I saw it in a back to back after I saw "Pan's Labyrinth". "Pan's Labyrinth" is so freaking awesome that I forgot about "Children of Men" in a matter of hours, as good as it is.

I actually feel like Clockwork was a horrible, gimmicky book. And if I'm not mistaken, Burgess wasn't even a fan of it himself (could be remembering this incorrectly). Either way, I think it's incredibly over rated and relies on its gimmicks way too much. It's almost the opposite of Blade Runner/Androids to me: the movie ruined the book as it is so superior.

Well, as a fan of the book I don't agree that it's gimmicky, but I feel that the movie really brought it to life. I must admit I saw the movie before reading the book, so when I read the book I was kinda replaying the movie in my mind.

I am also very much into governments' system's of control. I do a lot of independent research on this stuff, thus I've mostly been thinking and writing about the current illogical paranoia in the conspiracy theory community, and the harm it can cause, contrasted with the real systems of control. I have also been playing with a theory that a lot of this illogical paranoia is a direct result of media from the 80s and 90s dealing with similar material. There is likely a cultural reason that reptiles, men in black, ufos, etc are the agents of said paranoia, as opposed to the more real threats present in our agriculture, etc. Just cool stuff to think about when it comes down to. Good way to exercise the brain.

Definitely. Governments and media shape the way most people see the world, so then it's difficult for the brain to accept certain ideas that clash so much with what's already ingrained deep inside our skulls.

A modern Sci fi movie that gave me a 90s feel was "Moon", by David Bowie's son Duncan Jones. Great stuff, especially from Kevin Spacey. You guys would probably dig it.

I liked "Moon". I thought it had an obvious "Solaris" feel, which in turn had an obvious "2001, A Space Odyssey" feel.

[Pacino62]

I'm going to get blasted for this more than people get blasted for the tank/anti tank debate...

I'm 5.5 episodes into power watching "Mr Robot". The good news is that for me to power watch anything, it means I'm interested. However, I'm really ho-hum on the show. I want to love it. I don't dislike it. I guess I'm just disgusted that I don't share the same enthusiasm as both everyone I've spoken to and everyone on this board. Maybe expectations were set too high

"Pan's Labryinth" was fantastic. Another great movie by Del Toro was "The Devil's Backbone".