The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[bennjuiced34]

Interesting LBF. If it is I wouldn't include the 2016 Nets pick for him. We stars that can lure other stars to the Celtics. I don't see Butler doing that.

IMO you always take Butler for just that Nets pick. The chance is way higher were not able to pick Ingram or Simmons, not even saying they havent proven anything on NBA level just yet. It's Cousins or die for you I guess

There will always be rumors and side talk from Danny, but I don't think he'd touch that deal until after the lottery. Too risky. That pick landing number 1 or 2 would be awful. I think theres an extremely short list of players he'd move that pick for.

We're talking about 3-4 or so prime years left of Butler.

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

[ddb]

IMO you always take Butler for just that Nets pick. The chance is way higher were not able to pick Ingram or Simmons, not even saying they havent proven anything on NBA level just yet. It's Cousins or die for you I guess

There will always be rumors and side talk from Danny, but I don't think he'd touch that deal until after the lottery. Too risky. That pick landing number 1 or 2 would be awful. I think theres an extremely short list of players he'd move that pick for.

We're talking about 3-4 or so prime years left of Butler.

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

[ConstableGeneva]

Any package for Butler would have to start with Smart and the Brooklyn pick. Bradley's only a year younger than JB. If Bulls are resetting, they'd want to get as young as possible. Well unless there's a third team involved (Bradley to 3rd team likely headed to playoffs, young prospect from 3rd team + our rookies + Brooklyn pick to Chicago).

Butler + another max guy in FA (or another trade target in offseason) + high-end value role players IT/Smart/Crowder + Stevens would be a good starting pitch to Durant IMO.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but I've been saying this for years. Bulls FO is corrupt and incompetent.

Haha it wasn't sarcasm dude. I know the Bulls' front office has been below average for years, but this would just put them on a completely different level of utter ineptitude.

Maybe, but not by much. They have been very incompetent for years. Getting lucky with Rose in the draft masked a lot of their mistakes.

This is so scary true.

[bennjuiced34]

There will always be rumors and side talk from Danny, but I don't think he'd touch that deal until after the lottery. Too risky. That pick landing number 1 or 2 would be awful. I think theres an extremely short list of players he'd move that pick for.

We're talking about 3-4 or so prime years left of Butler.

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

If the rumors are true though, the other team backed out and put the deal on hold until the off-season. Unless the 2016 pick wasn't part of the deal.

We've heard some whispers that Jimmy is available (although unconfirmed whispers) so this wouldn't be a surprise if we are the mystery team.

I just looked up how many future picks you guys have and it's ridiculous.

[ddb]

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

If the rumors are true though, the other team backed out and put the deal on hold until the off-season. Unless the 2016 pick wasn't part of the deal.

We've heard some whispers that Jimmy is available (although unconfirmed whispers) so this wouldn't be a surprise if we are the mystery team.

I just looked up how many future picks you guys have and it's ridiculous.

if our pick ended up being #3 for example...would you guys do a #3, Bradley, Jonas Jerebko (5mill team option), 16 Celts 1st for Butler deal?

That would set us up nice to go after Durant/Horford or Howard in the offseason.

IT-Butler-Durant-Jae-Howard
Smart-Turner-Olynyk-FA or young player

[Edug27]

There will always be rumors and side talk from Danny, but I don't think he'd touch that deal until after the lottery. Too risky. That pick landing number 1 or 2 would be awful. I think theres an extremely short list of players he'd move that pick for.

We're talking about 3-4 or so prime years left of Butler.

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

Right. But on the flip side, if its 5 or 6, then the Bulls likely don't make the trade as well. Too much risk involved on both sides to involve a player like Butler. Unless, other pieces are coming Chicagos way to make the risk worth it.

[Edug27]

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

If the rumors are true though, the other team backed out and put the deal on hold until the off-season. Unless the 2016 pick wasn't part of the deal.

We've heard some whispers that Jimmy is available (although unconfirmed whispers) so this wouldn't be a surprise if we are the mystery team.

I just looked up how many future picks you guys have and it's ridiculous.

if our pick ended up being #3 for example...would you guys do a #3, Bradley, Jonas Jerebko (5mill team option), 16 Celts 1st for Butler deal?

That would set us up nice to go after Durant/Horford or Howard in the offseason.

IT-Butler-Durant-Jae-Howard
Smart-Turner-Olynyk-FA or young player

I usually pish posh those ideas of "player X" can convince KD to come. Mainly because it usually involves Cousins being the convincer. Which I'm sure players aren't dying to play with him.... but Butler... Hmm... He could be a guy that other star players would want to play with.

[darrendaye]

I'm hearing it was Butler

I would do a non-top 3 pick and Avery for Butler deal.

Why would it have to be non top 3? You have a 100% chance at a top 3 player at his position vs a maybe someday.

That's fair. Guess I'd best categorize my sentiment by saying I'd wince if they traded a top 2 for him and be slightly remorseful if they dealt #3 for him.

I'm very much sold on Ingram, especially after seeing how unselfish he's played with Duke. And I'm fairly sold on Simmons. I think he will be at least a Greek Freak like player with far superior court vision and passing. I haven't watched enough to debate his effort level and can never speak to his inner drive without having spoken to him, but, athletic skills alone give me confidence he achieves the level of success I referenced earlier.

Comes down to length of window and added salary flexibility over the next 3 offseasons in terms of why I'd prefer to roll the dice on top 2 at least. But I wouldn't cry about it being an overpay either. Love I always thought was an overpay with the #1 pick, Butler you can make a strong enough argument.

[Curmudgeon]

IMHO the "mystery player" was Marc Gasol. There is no reason for the Bulls to trade Butler, but Memphis is staring at a major rebuild, especially if the Griz lose Conley.

[SmartWentCrazy]

IMO you always take Butler for just that Nets pick. The chance is way higher were not able to pick Ingram or Simmons, not even saying they havent proven anything on NBA level just yet. It's Cousins or die for you I guess

There will always be rumors and side talk from Danny, but I don't think he'd touch that deal until after the lottery. Too risky. That pick landing number 1 or 2 would be awful. I think theres an extremely short list of players he'd move that pick for.

We're talking about 3-4 or so prime years left of Butler.

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

I do think Ainge would deal the pick if it's 1 or 2, but I can't see him adding much, if anything, that deal. If Butler requires the #1/2, Crowder and Bradley, that's a quick pass on our end.

[PierceFan4ever]

Lol if we get pick #1 or #2, there is no question we're going to keep it unless we heard Durant say he would come to Boston if we get someone like a Jimmy Butler on our team.

[jirrit]

Bulls fan here and this is a good point, from the Bulls side of things too. If Butler was the 'mystery player,' then it makes sense for Gar and Paxon to hold too until they see what that Brooklyn pick this year becomes.

Let's say the pick ends up being #1 or #2. Do you think Ainge pulls the trigger and what would be a fair deal? Just pick(s) or would he also include Bradley & Crowder?

If it's 1 or 2 then Ainge would NOT trade the pick in a package for Butler, unless he already has an inkling that 2 max guys are also headed to Boston. Otherwise he would keep the pick and draft Simmons or Ingram.....or trade it for a better player then Butler

Right. But on the flip side, if its 5 or 6, then the Bulls likely don't make the trade as well. Too much risk involved on both sides to involve a player like Butler. Unless, other pieces are coming Chicagos way to make the risk worth it.

Yeah, that's exactly why I'd settle for JB actually. At current situation, our odds of getting a top 2 << odds of getting out of top 2 pretty bigtime, no?

[ConstableGeneva]

I would've done Smart + BKN pick for Butler. But since they're saying it's a big package, it's likely Ainge found a way to keep Smart out of it. Damn, I hope that deal can still be revisited in the summer. Something to look forward to.

Or maybe Ainge is just trolling us all.

[rickrolled]

I have no doubt in my mind it was NOT Butler, there's no way he's worth the BKN pick, especially since we don't know where the pick will land. If they win the lottery i'm only trading it for Davis or Durant.

A pipe dream would be #1 pick, Plus package of players for Davis. Then sign Durant in the offseason....

[Homerclease]

I'm as high on Ingram and Simmons as anyone and I'd deal the pick in a heartbeat for Jimmy Butler.

[Fencer reregistered]

Some fans in the Bulls forum suggested that Butler would be shipped out because Krause wanted him gone.

The theory was that he publicly criticized the organization, and that's a huge no-no to Krause.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but I've been saying this for years. Bulls FO is corrupt and incompetent.

Haha it wasn't sarcasm dude. I know the Bulls' front office has been below average for years, but this would just put them on a completely different level of utter ineptitude.

Maybe, but not by much. They have been very incompetent for years. Getting lucky with Rose in the draft masked a lot of their mistakes.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Some fans in the Bulls forum suggested that Butler would be shipped out because Krause wanted him gone.

The theory was that he publicly criticized the organization, and that's a huge no-no to Krause.

Haha it wasn't sarcasm dude. I know the Bulls' front office has been below average for years, but this would just put them on a completely different level of utter ineptitude.

Maybe, but not by much. They have been very incompetent for years. Getting lucky with Rose in the draft masked a lot of their mistakes.

Krause still works for the Bulls? Or were they referring to Reinsdorf?

[Homerclease]

Some fans in the Bulls forum suggested that Butler would be shipped out because Krause wanted him gone.

The theory was that he publicly criticized the organization, and that's a huge no-no to Krause.

Haha it wasn't sarcasm dude. I know the Bulls' front office has been below average for years, but this would just put them on a completely different level of utter ineptitude.

Maybe, but not by much. They have been very incompetent for years. Getting lucky with Rose in the draft masked a lot of their mistakes.

I'd do Bradley, BRK 2016, BRK 2018 and 2 of any of our young guys/other picks. Not sure who they'd want, more picks or Young, Hunter, Rozier or Mickey

[Ben-N1ce]

I have no doubt in my mind it was NOT Butler, there's no way he's worth the BKN pick, especially since we don't know where the pick will land. If they win the lottery i'm only trading it for Davis or Durant.

A pipe dream would be #1 pick, Plus package of players for Davis. Then sign Durant in the offseason....

I disagree. He is easily worth the pick. People just love to gamble on the unknown.