The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[chrisab123]

“I don’t think our core group has been together for many games at all this year. I’m looking forward to that after the All-Star break. We’re going to get Avery Bradley and Jaylen Brown back; it’ll take a few games to get acclimated, I think, but after that, the rest of March and April if we can remain healthy, you’ll see what the potential of this team is.”

Danny Ainge. Yesterday.

http://nesn.com/2017/02/danny-ainge-hints-at-celtics-trade-deadline-plan-not-seeking-rent-a-player/

Yep they're doing nothing. Its like we are watching a different sport right now. Just watched the Celtics lose a game where they were out rebounded by almost 30 to a team they might face in the 1st round. Yes I know the call was suspect but you can't expect to win games where you're getting killed on the glass that bad just because its gone your way most of the year. That is called luck. It runs out eventually.

[chrisab123]

Magic fan here, LOL... but I had a trade idea for you guys AND the Pacers...

Paul George
CJ Miles

for

2017 Brooklyn Pick
Jaylen Brown or Terry Rozier
Jae Crowder

Paul George in the prime of his career (Contract coming close to the end with the Pacers). Comes to a Boston team that is looking to a Boston team that is just another guy or two away. Isn't a ball dominate Star and fits the philosophy of the team.

Pacers get a Potential Star in a deep draft (of their choosing). While in the process getting another high potential guy in Brown or Rozier (Depending who is drafted). Based off potential and drafting history can reload within 2-3 years.

Feels like its a win-win situation for both teams.

I feel like trading for a "Star" is becoming so overrated now. I mean you want crowder (top 10 SF in the league), a former top 3 pick (which most of us believe will be an all star), and a potential #1 pick in one of the deepest and strongest drafts of all time... for one player. Why not just wait until free agency and sign a star, as opposed to wasting all of our prime assets for a player that probably will not even take us over to the top.

IMO, our best course of action is being patient and I feel like Danny's success is directly correlated with this sort of mindset. **** what wyc or the league thinks about "wasting our opportunity for a superstar by not trading our picks". they're just jelly


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For the 17 pick Rozier and Crowder you drive them to Indiana for George. That player on this team would be a terror for everyone in the league. Too bad Bird will never deal with the Celtics. Still can't figure out why.

[BleedGreen1989]

Man, the T&T board is getting too flooded with Celtic stuff...

[liveod]

Amir and both BK picks for DeMarcus

[Celts17Pride]

My two cents which is 100% speculation.

Danny Ainge was on the radio yesterday and said the following:

A. Celtics looking for Improved Rim Protection (i.e. a Center)
B. Celtics looking for Improved Rebounding
C. Celtics greatest strength is big men that can shoot to leave space in the middle for IT.
D. No Band-Aids (i.e. No one entering free agency)
E. A player that can grow with the team (young player)
F. A player that will be around a while (i.e. good contract)

The Celtics greatest trade partner would be a rebuilding team because of all of the Celtics draft picks, young players and lack of stars on the Celtics roster.

Taking into account all of the above I still believe Nikola Vucevic is probably a main target for the Celtics. Orlando has already come out and said they are rebuilding. Vucevic has 2 years at $12 million per year left on his deal.

I'm guessing Orlando wants either Smart or Brown right now but closer to the deadline my settle for some combination of Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Young, Yabusele and draft picks.

Again just speculation but it just makes sense to me given what Ainge said yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Vucevic name again in rumors close to the deadline.

My two cents.

[BakersDozen]

Im not sure he provides rim protection but im 100% fine with Vucevic if we dont need to trade core pieces for him


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[radcot]

My two cents which is 100% speculation.

Danny Ainge was on the radio yesterday and said the following:

A. Celtics looking for Improved Rim Protection (i.e. a Center)
B. Celtics looking for Improved Rebounding
C. Celtics greatest strength is big men that can shoot to leave space in the middle for IT.
D. No Band-Aids (i.e. No one entering free agency)
E. A player that can grow with the team (young player)
F. A player that will be around a while (i.e. good contract)

The Celtics greatest trade partner would be a rebuilding team because of all of the Celtics draft picks, young players and lack of stars on the Celtics roster.

Taking into account all of the above I still believe Nikola Vucevic is probably a main target for the Celtics. Orlando has already come out and said they are rebuilding. Vucevic has 2 years at $12 million per year left on his deal.

I'm guessing Orlando wants either Smart or Brown right now but closer to the deadline my settle for some combination of Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Young, Yabusele and draft picks.

Again just speculation but it just makes sense to me given what Ainge said yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Vucevic name again in rumors close to the deadline.

My two cents.

Makes sense. WCS would also fit the profile of someone Danny might be after, but Sac is shooting for the playoffs and would probably want someone who would help get them there.

[TheOGJabroni]

Magic fan here, LOL... but I had a trade idea for you guys AND the Pacers...

Paul George
CJ Miles

for

2017 Brooklyn Pick
Jaylen Brown or Terry Rozier
Jae Crowder

Paul George in the prime of his career (Contract coming close to the end with the Pacers). Comes to a Boston team that is looking to a Boston team that is just another guy or two away. Isn't a ball dominate Star and fits the philosophy of the team.

Pacers get a Potential Star in a deep draft (of their choosing). While in the process getting another high potential guy in Brown or Rozier (Depending who is drafted). Based off potential and drafting history can reload within 2-3 years.

Feels like its a win-win situation for both teams.

I'd rather them keep CJ Miles and replace Crowder with Bradley. Also, I don't think you can just say Brown or Rozier; as much as I love Rozier, those are two completely different level prospects. But for sake of this argument, I'm choosing Rozier as the guy to go

[BigTrade92]

I say pass being I'm no fan of paying Tyson Chandler 13 mill per for the next two years.

That's absolute stupidity and something a stupid team like Phoenix does.

Zero chance Ainge is trading for that contract and eliminating any shot he has at signing a big name free agent in the next two off seasons.

If you say Ainge wants to preserve capspace and that's why he wouldn't trade for Chandler, i get that. But $13 million per year is the rate these days a starter gets at least paid if not more. That's like $6-7 million under the old cap and that was usually a really cap friendly deal for a team then. I would trade for Chandler because i see very little chance that a major free agent switches teams this summer, therefor it's not as important especially if we look to resign Bradley, Smart and Thomas the following summer. Pre capjump deals are great to have.

A major free agent may not switch teams this summer, but the point is, it won't stop Danny from trying to court a Hayward or Griffin.

He's certainly not going to blow all his cap space and flexibility on a 34 year old Tyson Chandler who also handicaps NEXT summers free agency too.

That's not smart business, especially when he's got Zizic coming over from Europe who does everything Chandler can do, is younger and on a rookie contract.

[BakersDozen]

If Danny doesnt trade for a big who can grab a rebound this will be another one and done team. We arent getting Hayward or Blake this summer. Taking on salary beyond this year isnt the end of the world.


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[chrisab123]

If Danny doesnt trade for a big who can grab a rebound this will be another one and done team. We arent getting Hayward or Blake this summer. Taking on salary beyond this year isnt the end of the world.


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Well taking on salary isn't the end of the world. You're correct. But I do believe Hayward might come. The question then becomes if he is the answer or not. Sure he moves the needle but by how much. The needle can't move that far without a rim protector. Although if the Suns wanted to move their pick and Chandler for AB or Crowder that's a done deal. Doubt Phoenix would go for that though.

[BigTrade92]

If Danny doesnt trade for a big who can grab a rebound this will be another one and done team. We arent getting Hayward or Blake this summer. Taking on salary beyond this year isnt the end of the world.


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We have a better shot at signing Hayward then we have at doing anything in the playoffs that give us a title.

This team isn't winning a title this season. I get that fans are anxious, so am I, but Ainge isn't handicapping his future for a short term fix. Especially if that short term fix is salary past this year for an aging player.

You want to trade for Bogut? Sure, thats something I've been advocating for MONTHS. He's perfect for this team, especially being an expiring. But trading for a guy like Chandler is not going to happen.

[chrisab123]

I say pass being I'm no fan of paying Tyson Chandler 13 mill per for the next two years.

That's absolute stupidity and something a stupid team like Phoenix does.

Zero chance Ainge is trading for that contract and eliminating any shot he has at signing a big name free agent in the next two off seasons.

If you say Ainge wants to preserve capspace and that's why he wouldn't trade for Chandler, i get that. But $13 million per year is the rate these days a starter gets at least paid if not more. That's like $6-7 million under the old cap and that was usually a really cap friendly deal for a team then. I would trade for Chandler because i see very little chance that a major free agent switches teams this summer, therefor it's not as important especially if we look to resign Bradley, Smart and Thomas the following summer. Pre capjump deals are great to have.

A major free agent may not switch teams this summer, but the point is, it won't stop Danny from trying to court a Hayward or Griffin.

He's certainly not going to blow all his cap space and flexibility on a 34 year old Tyson Chandler who also handicaps NEXT summers free agency too.

That's not smart business, especially when he's got Zizic coming over from Europe who does everything Chandler can do, is younger and on a rookie contract.

Tyson Chandler on the Suns is a stupid move. Tyson Chandler on a borderline contender is not. You would have to do this very carefully to preserve cap space. But there is one thing the Celtics are good at and its crunching numbers and making them work. Not sure what type of gymnastics would be required but it could probably work out if they deal Bradley or Crowder. Obviously for more than just TC.

[BigTrade92]

If you say Ainge wants to preserve capspace and that's why he wouldn't trade for Chandler, i get that. But $13 million per year is the rate these days a starter gets at least paid if not more. That's like $6-7 million under the old cap and that was usually a really cap friendly deal for a team then. I would trade for Chandler because i see very little chance that a major free agent switches teams this summer, therefor it's not as important especially if we look to resign Bradley, Smart and Thomas the following summer. Pre capjump deals are great to have.

A major free agent may not switch teams this summer, but the point is, it won't stop Danny from trying to court a Hayward or Griffin.

He's certainly not going to blow all his cap space and flexibility on a 34 year old Tyson Chandler who also handicaps NEXT summers free agency too.

That's not smart business, especially when he's got Zizic coming over from Europe who does everything Chandler can do, is younger and on a rookie contract.

Tyson Chandler on the Suns is a stupid move. Tyson Chandler on a borderline contender is not. You would have to do this very carefully to preserve cap space. But there is one thing the Celtics are good at and its crunching numbers and making them work. Not sure what type of gymnastics would be required but it could probably work out if they deal Bradley or Crowder. Obviously for more than just TC.

Ainge would be fired on the spot by Wyc if he tried dealing Bradley or Crowder for a 34 year old center making big money with two years left on his contract.

Am I taking crazy pills here? What exactly do you guys not seem to get? Tyson Chandler is NOT being traded for....it's just not even remotely a smart move. It's literally just like being the Nets and trading for Pierce/Garnett. LOL

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

The second you remove Tyson Chandler from Phoenix, his body will start deteriorating, just like Steve Nash and Grant Hill. Their training staff is remarkable.

[jeremym480]

I'd be okay with taking on salary for Tyson Chandler or even Kenneth Faired, as long as it's following a trade for either Bulter, Hayward, or George. Otherwise, I'm good.

[chrisab123]

A major free agent may not switch teams this summer, but the point is, it won't stop Danny from trying to court a Hayward or Griffin.

He's certainly not going to blow all his cap space and flexibility on a 34 year old Tyson Chandler who also handicaps NEXT summers free agency too.

That's not smart business, especially when he's got Zizic coming over from Europe who does everything Chandler can do, is younger and on a rookie contract.

Tyson Chandler on the Suns is a stupid move. Tyson Chandler on a borderline contender is not. You would have to do this very carefully to preserve cap space. But there is one thing the Celtics are good at and its crunching numbers and making them work. Not sure what type of gymnastics would be required but it could probably work out if they deal Bradley or Crowder. Obviously for more than just TC.

Ainge would be fired on the spot by Wyc if he tried dealing Bradley or Crowder for a 34 year old center making big money with two years left on his contract.

Am I taking crazy pills here? What exactly do you guys not seem to get? Tyson Chandler is NOT being traded for....it's just not even remotely a smart move. It's literally just like being the Nets and trading for Pierce/Garnett. LOL

Tyson Chandler and the Suns pick for Bradley or Crowder? That's a smart trade

[2Mas]

Amir and both BK picks for DeMarcus

Lawd please.

Sac would be so bad. They'd tank in an incredible way cause with no DMC they prob win 3 more games all season. Keep their pick. End with with Fultz & Jackson. Go out Fultz-Richardson-Jackson-Skal-WCS .. be terrible again. Walk away with Doncic & Ayton.

& be BEAST. Fultz - Doncic - Jackson - Ayton - WCS.

1.5 years on tanking. Gives a complete reset on the franchise. They can start fresh. By 2021 they'll be awesome. Have 4 lotto picks.

*** & They'd give us a key in beating GSW. Steven's game plans, our guards defense & Boogie owning the paint would beat them.

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[ConstableGeneva]

When's the deadline? Not that I expect any trade to go down for the Cs.