Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2)

[fallguy]

I definitely think Jaylen has been as impactful as Marcus this year.

[Writebloc]

I'm here to talk basketball. You are here to talk about posters.

You said "no judgment" to me like repressed dudes say "no homo". OK, great... except you are clearly judging me.

You are the only person in the history of my experience here that I have blocked or will ever block. It's because I find you to be a self-appointed judge of other people's opinions despite not having a single clue about basketball. You don't get to judge me. I take dumps with more hoops knowledge than you.

If you are feeling "patronized" than that is a personal thing. I'm not here to judge posters, it's just you are ludicrously emotionally wrapped up in this site and your amazing knowledgeable bastketball posts that your poor little feelings get hurt JUST LIKE THIS!

My original point was on Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown. I stated (roughly) that you believe in Marcus' ability and his skill as a playmaker more than you give credit to Jaylen. Basically you seem to prefer Marcus to Jaylen. You hold Jaylen to a different standard - for whatever reason. That was it, all basketball. I threw in the no judgement for exactly this reason, so you wouldn't wilt like a three year old who is past their bedtime. But here we are, you melting writing to me how I make things personal after you bring out the vendetta machine.

The original post was trying to explore your thoughts on Jaylen Brown. Why you seem to be so hard on a 21 year old second year player who is contributing a lot to the Celtics and has demonstrated clear growth? You've turned it in to this sloppy mess - I didn't make it personal you did. Why don't you explore the contents of your feces to figure out how this exchange went wrong?

Whatever, homie. You are being disingenuous as always. You are trying to paint me as a hater for defending one of our team's better players, and that's just asinine. I don't have Jaylen tied to the "whipping post". I am not in here hating on him all the time, just because I occasionally offer a balanced take on his potential. Not only is that is 100% not happening, the exact opposite is true in this conversation. Several dudes are openly hating on Smart all game, every game, even as he is regularly playing a major role in winning those same games.

So spare me the armchair psychoanalysis of what my M.O. is. Jaylen might catch Smart soon, but hasn't as of yet. I'm not even down on the guy so much as not drinking the same amount of Kool-Aid as some of you. Just as was true with a relatively similar player in Jeff Green, who like Jaylen, like you, but unlike Smart, did not understand team basketball.

You are too smart to believe that what are writing is remotely accurate. I literally wrote that I agreed with you regarding Smart? Again you are the one writing in pejorative terms. That seems to be your go to move? I guess, if it works for you keep it up, your keystrokes dude. You're an intelligent guy, but if you are trying to compare Jaylen to Jeff Green I simply don't agree with you. Obviously, Brown understands team defense better than Green ever did. By the way, comparing Brown to Jeff Green has been a common refrain from the hater's crowd. I also highlighted Jaylen's deficiencies, but it's clear he's made strides, if that is drinking Kool-aid okay. I don't need to shine a spotlight or analyze any of your over the top theatrics, you've done a perfectly good job of illustrating them in this exchange. I hope you are enjoying your Thanksgiving weekend.

[truth18]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

Let me clarify on their similarities.

Defensive versatility
Can score, although not that efficiently
Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you
Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor
No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball
Good in locker room
But not a leader
Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans

[ParticleMan]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

Let me clarify on their similarities.

Defensive versatility
Can score, although not that efficiently
Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you
Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor
No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball
Good in locker room
But not a leader
Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans

- Green never showed the sort of defense we've seen by Jaylen this year. not close. jaylen is playing elite D at age 21.
- Green PPS: 1.19 good not great. Brown PPS (this season): 1.31 approaching elite. jeff hasn't ever come close to this, max 1.25.
- true about athleticism.
- not true about forgetting they are on the floor. brown is way more active.
- strongly disagree about 5x5 basketball, maybe true last year but jaylen has improved markedly this year. he is not a playmaker but that isn't his role.
- yes both good in locker room
- jaylen is definitely a leader. wouldn't be surprised if he is players assoc president or something someday.
- agree to disagree. i think he has allstar potential.

[Writebloc]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

Let me clarify on their similarities.

Defensive versatility
Can score, although not that efficiently
Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you
Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor
No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball
Good in locker room
But not a leader
Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans

In the last three games Jaylen has been one of the most efficient scorers on the team. I get it three games, but the season is young, he is demonstrating the ability so he has the skill, let's see if he can perform it over longer stretches. Defensively, it rare these days that you forget where Jaylen is on floor, heck even offensively he's on a tear. The other thing I don't understand is why you are considering Brown a finished product when he's only 21?

[fallguy]

Jeff Green was underskilled and had little drive for the game. Those two things are related. Teams were almost always better with him on the bench than the court, even in his prime.

The comparison is apt in many ways, though. But Jaylen will turn in a better year than Green ever did no later than next year, and very possibly this one. Despite being a toddler. That probably says more about Green than Jaylen but I think the comparison will be old hat in short order.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

Let me clarify on their similarities.

Defensive versatility
Can score, although not that efficiently
Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you
Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor
No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball
Good in locker room
But not a leader
Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans

Defensive versatility - Green only has this in theory.

Can score, although not that efficiently - In Jeff Greens most efficient year he posted a 108 offensive rating, and his career rating is 103. Jaylen is posting a 107 has plenty of time to improve. His only real impediment to efficiency is FT shooting. You're not being objective if you really think you're making a fair assessment of their efficiency.

Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you - ok, great.


Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor - Apparently you only watch one end of the floor.

No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball - Jaylen's been a poor passer off the bounce, but he's not a bad stopper. If he can't improve in this regard I will limit him to bring a 3rd option, but a decent 3rd option with his defense is tremendous.

Good in locker room - fine.

But not a leader - Jaylen seems like a leader to me. I have no idea what you're basing this assessment on, but expecting a 2nd year guy to be a leader on a 50+ win team with Smart, Horford and Irving is an impossible standard.

Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans - lol. You're a hater.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm not going to get involved but I just want to say this (again):

Jeff and Jaylen aren't really similar players regardless of what you think of either overall.

Let me clarify on their similarities.

Defensive versatility
Can score, although not that efficiently
Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you
Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor
No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball
Good in locker room
But not a leader
Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans

Defensive versatility - Green only has this in theory.

Can score, although not that efficiently - In Jeff Greens most efficient year he posted a 108 offensive rating, and his career rating is 103. Jaylen is posting a 107 has plenty of time to improve. His only real impediment to efficiency is FT shooting. You're not being objective if you really think you're making a fair assessment of their efficiency.

Do 1-2 athletic things a game that shock you - ok, great.


Also have long period where you forget they are even on the floor - Apparently you only watch one end of the floor.

No ability or vision to understand 5x5 basketball - Jaylen's been a poor passer off the bounce, but he's not a bad stopper. If he can't improve in this regard I will limit him to bring a 3rd option, but a decent 3rd option with his defense is tremendous.

Good in locker room - fine.

But not a leader - Jaylen seems like a leader to me. I have no idea what you're basing this assessment on, but expecting a 2nd year guy to be a leader on a 50+ win team with Smart, Horford and Irving is an impossible standard.

Nice players whose overall potential overrated by Celtic fans - lol. You're a hater.

Nah, you just have a binky.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Nah, you just have a binky.

Well, at least I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth.

[Captain_Caveman]

Nah, you just have a binky.

Well, at least I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth.

If talking out of both sides of my mouth means acknowledging a player's weaknesses as well as strengths, then yes, I am doing that pretty much all the time, with pretty much every player.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Nah, you just have a binky.

Well, at least I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth.

If talking out of both sides of my mouth means acknowledging a player's weaknesses as well as strengths, then yes, I am doing that pretty much all the time, with pretty much every player.

You said he was basically Jeff Green. You also said he'd make an all-star game or two.

[Captain_Caveman]

Well, at least I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth.

If talking out of both sides of my mouth means acknowledging a player's weaknesses as well as strengths, then yes, I am doing that pretty much all the time, with pretty much every player.

You said he was basically Jeff Green. You also said he'd make an all-star game or two.

I said they were relatively similar and then listed several similarities.

Also called him a bigger Avery.

If you prefer, we can go with Maggette that can't finish lol.

[fallguy]

Guys, a little worried this thread is coming to an end. Keep the anger coming. Give in to the dark side.