The Knicks Scenario

[Valid]

LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?

I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument, take this opportunity to learn this aspect of the game.

Zion >>>>>>>> Any Poo Poo Platter the Lakers or the Celtics can offer.

Lol you aren't very smart, are you?

[reload141]

Zion would put a lot of bums on seats in NOP, he's a bigger drawcard to the public than Tatum... but Tatum is proven at the NBA level and could be the better longterm prospect for NOP.

[Valid]

I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?

Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.

I believe you've said yourself that Zion is the best prospect coming out since Davis. Perhaps all the way back to LeBron. So I'm having trouble understanding why you think more would need to be added.

The best comp for this trade would be the Cavs trading #1 overall Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. I understand Davis is better than Love, but Zion is also a much better prospect than Wiggins.

This dude just compared Kevin freaking Love to Anthony Davis.

Let's all go home.

[thelarrybirdx]

Zion would put a lot of bums on seats in NOP, he's a bigger drawcard to the public than Tatum... but Tatum is proven at the NBA level and could be the better longterm prospect for NOP.

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

[jmr07019]

Knicks have a 14% of getting Zion. It's gonna suck if that happens but ..... 14%! We should be fine. We got a 1% at Zion still. Then we could send picks and Hayward for Davis and keep Tatum.

[Duke4life831]

I do not recall.

Let's not get off topic here. Zion straight up trumps all other offers, do you agree?

Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.

I believe you've said yourself that Zion is the best prospect coming out since Davis. Perhaps all the way back to LeBron. So I'm having trouble understanding why you think more would need to be added.

The best comp for this trade would be the Cavs trading #1 overall Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. I understand Davis is better than Love, but Zion is also a much better prospect than Wiggins.

Yes I am extremely high and I do believe you can make the argument Zion is the best prospect since LeBron. And again a trade featuring Zion is clearly the trade offer to beat. But its not like Boston doesnt have a really good offer as well. Me talking very highly on a possible Knicks offer (again only 14% chance this happens) isnt me not recognizing Boston's potential offer. Boston can throw Tatum(one of the best young prospects in the game), Brown another good young prospect who has played really well the 2nd half of the season so far, and a ton of 1st round picks is a hell of an offer. NY would have to offer more than just Zion by himself.

The Cavs trading Wiggins for Love isnt that great of a comp. Wiggins at the time was a very hyped up prospect himself (yes not to Zion's level), but AD is on a completely different level when it comes to NBA player than Love was. AD is arguably a top 5 player in the league right now and the dude is only 25. Its not even close.

[Arsenal]

Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.

I believe you've said yourself that Zion is the best prospect coming out since Davis. Perhaps all the way back to LeBron. So I'm having trouble understanding why you think more would need to be added.

The best comp for this trade would be the Cavs trading #1 overall Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. I understand Davis is better than Love, but Zion is also a much better prospect than Wiggins.

This dude just compared Kevin freaking Love to Anthony Davis.

Let's all go home.

Lesson #2. Kevin Love was worth FAR more in summer 2014 than he is now. Things change with time. I know it's a difficult lesson, but it will serve you well to learn it.

[canman1971]

LOL yes it does. It's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game. He is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. That + up to 9 years of contract control EASILY trumps anything the Celtics, or anyone else can offer.

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?

I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument, take this opportunity to learn this aspect of the game.

Zion >>>>>>>> Any Poo Poo Platter the Lakers or the Celtics can offer.

That is exactly what you are doing. You are a closet Knick fan and Philly fan, which may be worse. The Knicks have sucked for almost as long as I have been alive. Also, Zion is not on the Knicks, so pound sand. We have a lot of extremely informative, cool and connected posters on the Celtics' forum. If you are gonna come here, bring something better than middle school crap. It's an easy concept to get...I think anyway. Don't waste our time.

[Arsenal]

Zion by himself? No. Of course they would have to throw in some more. But yes Zion would be by far the biggest single value return compared to anything else rumored. NY would also have DSJ/2 Dallas picks and their own future picks to offer up as well. Zion would easily be the trump card in an AD trade.

I believe you've said yourself that Zion is the best prospect coming out since Davis. Perhaps all the way back to LeBron. So I'm having trouble understanding why you think more would need to be added.

The best comp for this trade would be the Cavs trading #1 overall Andrew Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. I understand Davis is better than Love, but Zion is also a much better prospect than Wiggins.

Yes I am extremely high and I do believe you can make the argument Zion is the best prospect since LeBron. And again a trade featuring Zion is clearly the trade offer to beat. But its not like Boston doesnt have a really good offer as well. Me talking very highly on a possible Knicks offer (again only 14% chance this happens) isnt me not recognizing Boston's potential offer. Boston can throw Tatum(one of the best young prospects in the game), Brown another good young prospect who has played really well the 2nd half of the season so far, and a ton of 1st round picks is a hell of an offer. NY would have to offer more than just Zion by himself.

Zion > Tatum + Brown

Adding mid 1st round picks in mediocre drafts such as 2019 won't be enough to tilt the balance. Zion has legit superstar potential. Brown does not. Tatum might, but he has come down to earth a bit this year. And none of those picks have it.

[Arsenal]

"it's irrelevant that he hasn't played a game."

LMAO. Okay.

I know it must suck to be a 76ers fan and know your team has no shot of winning anything, but is this really how you guys get your kicks?

I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument, take this opportunity to learn this aspect of the game.

Zion >>>>>>>> Any Poo Poo Platter the Lakers or the Celtics can offer.

That is exactly what you are doing. You are a Knick fan. The Knicks have sucked for almost as long as I have been alive. Also, Zion is not on the Knicks, so pound sand. We have a lot of extremely informative, cool and connected posters on the Celtics' forum. If you are gonna come here, bring something better than middle school crap. It's an easy concept to get...I think anyway. Don't waste our time.

I'm a Sixers fan, not a Knicks fan. And if stating that Zion straight up is the best NO will get trumping a Boston or LA offer is considered trolling, then ok you got me. I believe your boy Valid started the "middle school crap", so feel free to take a look.

[reload141]

Zion would put a lot of bums on seats in NOP, he's a bigger drawcard to the public than Tatum... but Tatum is proven at the NBA level and could be the better longterm prospect for NOP.

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

Oh I agree, but Zion could seriously bust. We have seen recently an athletic phenom come out (Wiggins) and not live to potential. But like I said, he has a massive ceiling but he's still playing against college players and they have a really stacked team so i'm still holding back.

Whereas Tatum is actually showing signs playing in the NBA of being a perennial All-Star at a minimum.

[Homerclease]

Zion would put a lot of bums on seats in NOP, he's a bigger drawcard to the public than Tatum... but Tatum is proven at the NBA level and could be the better longterm prospect for NOP.

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

Oh I agree, but Zion could seriously bust. We have seen recently an athletic phenom come out (Wiggins) and not live to potential. But like I said, he has a massive ceiling but he's still playing against college players and they have a really stacked team so i'm still holding back.

Whereas Tatum is actually showing signs playing in the NBA of being a perennial All-Star at a minimum.

Dont think so. There are athletic phenoms and then there is Zion. Dude is a top 1% athlete maybe ever. His bust chance is near zero outside injury

[Duke4life831]

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

Oh I agree, but Zion could seriously bust. We have seen recently an athletic phenom come out (Wiggins) and not live to potential. But like I said, he has a massive ceiling but he's still playing against college players and they have a really stacked team so i'm still holding back.

Whereas Tatum is actually showing signs playing in the NBA of being a perennial All-Star at a minimum.

Dont think so. There are athletic phenoms and then there is Zion. Dude is a top 1% athlete maybe ever. His bust chance is near zero outside injury

Yup. Including Zion being an even better athlete than Wiggins, Zion has an elite motor and is an elite player on both ends, Wiggins had none of those things. Plus another thing, Zion is running away with the national player of the year. Only 2 freshmen have ever won NPOY, Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. Zion is pretty much as elite as a prospect as youre going to see not named LeBron. He is in the AD/KD/Oden tier of prospects where basically injury is going to be the only thing from keeping Zion from being a franchise player. Then you add in his ridiculous popularity, and youre going to have control of his contract for what 7-8 years or something like that. His value is going to be ridiculous.

[reload141]

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

Oh I agree, but Zion could seriously bust. We have seen recently an athletic phenom come out (Wiggins) and not live to potential. But like I said, he has a massive ceiling but he's still playing against college players and they have a really stacked team so i'm still holding back.

Whereas Tatum is actually showing signs playing in the NBA of being a perennial All-Star at a minimum.

Dont think so. There are athletic phenoms and then there is Zion. Dude is a top 1% athlete maybe ever. His bust chance is near zero outside injury

Eh, would like to see him play against NBA bodies first but that's just me.

Happy to be wrong though.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Zion won't bust (I'd be shocked) and he has more value than any other player or pick being talked about in the speculative trades, but any package centered around Zion would have to include other valuable parts to surpass the absolute best offer Ainge could make, IMO. Whether another team would do that for Davis remains to be seen.

[wco81]

Bill Simmons has posited more than once that the Warriors are making several other NBA teams more prone to make these big, bet-the-franchise moves, to try to build their own super teams.

Where were these kinds of moves when the Lakers or Bulls were winning multiple titles?

Why not just wait out until Curry and company are in their mid 30s?

[GoCeltics123]

Bill Simmons has posited more than once that the Warriors are making several other NBA teams more prone to make these big, bet-the-franchise moves, to try to build their own super teams.

Where were these kinds of moves when the Lakers or Bulls were winning multiple titles?

Why not just wait out until Curry and company are in their mid 30s?

Because KD or Draymond might leave this summer?

[StojkoVrankovic]

When do we **** our pants? This isn't good

I don't think adding 2 max contracts to the worst team in the league is a concern in the standings, but it certainly makes Kyrie leaving much more of an option.

Knicks are certainly going for broke

[jmr07019]

I'm not here to troll. I'm here to educate misinformed fans who don't understand trade value.

Instead of being defensive and lobbing personal attacks since you have no "valid" argument, take this opportunity to learn this aspect of the game.

Zion >>>>>>>> Any Poo Poo Platter the Lakers or the Celtics can offer.

That is exactly what you are doing. You are a Knick fan. The Knicks have sucked for almost as long as I have been alive. Also, Zion is not on the Knicks, so pound sand. We have a lot of extremely informative, cool and connected posters on the Celtics' forum. If you are gonna come here, bring something better than middle school crap. It's an easy concept to get...I think anyway. Don't waste our time.

I'm a Sixers fan, not a Knicks fan. And if stating that Zion straight up is the best NO will get trumping a Boston or LA offer is considered trolling, then ok you got me. I believe your boy Valid started the "middle school crap", so feel free to take a look.

Why are you on our board talking about a 14% hypothetical? It's because you're scared **** of Davis in green isn't it? Yaaaaa. That's def it. Hey at least you weren't the laughing stock of the NBA for 5 years only for a failed rebuild. Oh wait....

[ShermansShoes]

I don't really think New Orleans can afford to be conservative. I'm sure they value the potential of Zion over the proven Tatum.

Oh I agree, but Zion could seriously bust. We have seen recently an athletic phenom come out (Wiggins) and not live to potential. But like I said, he has a massive ceiling but he's still playing against college players and they have a really stacked team so i'm still holding back.

Whereas Tatum is actually showing signs playing in the NBA of being a perennial All-Star at a minimum.

Dont think so. There are athletic phenoms and then there is Zion. Dude is a top 1% athlete maybe ever. His bust chance is near zero outside injury

Sign me up to stake my teams future on a 14% chance of getting a guy who is apparently the greatest pro prospect ever sent from the heavens. Top 1% athlete ever or so I’ve read here. The hyperbole from some is down right nauseating.