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Post#261 » by Hal14 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:54 pm

jirrit wrote:I'd be totally fine with trying out our team with Smart, Pritch & Yam at the point. See what goes well, what goes bad and then make some trade deadline deals to make the team ready for the play-offs.

Exactly. It's a bridge year.

Smart has a year left on his contract so you use this season to see how Smart does and figure out if you want to resign him. You also give Pritchard and Madar a chance to prove themselves and try to figure out if one of them could be starting PG of the future for this team. Then next off-season you have a better idea of how to proceed at the PG position..
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Post#262 » by ICeeYou » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:04 pm

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jirrit wrote:I'd be totally fine with trying out our team with Smart, Pritch & Yam at the point. See what goes well, what goes bad and then make some trade deadline deals to make the team ready for the play-offs.

Exactly. It's a bridge year.

Smart has a year left on his contract so you use this season to see how Smart does and figure out if you want to resign him. You also give Pritchard and Madar a chance to prove themselves and try to figure out if one of them could be starting PG of the future for this team. Then next off-season you have a better idea of how to proceed at the PG position..


Agreed. I’d also add that by not going out and getting a vet PG you allow Tatum and Brown to continue to cut their teeth as playmakers as well.

If we don’t see progress there from Tatum and Brown that dramatically shifts Brad’s likely strategy for overall team building.
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Post#263 » by Hal14 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:09 pm

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jirrit wrote:I'd be totally fine with trying out our team with Smart, Pritch & Yam at the point. See what goes well, what goes bad and then make some trade deadline deals to make the team ready for the play-offs.

Exactly. It's a bridge year.

Smart has a year left on his contract so you use this season to see how Smart does and figure out if you want to resign him. You also give Pritchard and Madar a chance to prove themselves and try to figure out if one of them could be starting PG of the future for this team. Then next off-season you have a better idea of how to proceed at the PG position..


Agreed. I’d also add that by not going out and getting a vet PG you allow Tatum and Brown to continue to cut their teeth as playmakers as well.

If we don’t see progress there from Tatum and Brown that dramatically shifts Brad’s likely strategy for overall team building.

I'm optimistic that adding Horford back in, Kemba gone, Smart at the 1 (overall a better passer and takes less shots than Kemba), another year of maturity/development for Brown/Tatum and new offensive system put in by new coach are all factors that should lead to better ball movement and cohesion on offense.
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Post#264 » by FlatearthZorro » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:25 pm

Kid looks to have a serious bounce, twitchy as well. Would love to see him in the Summer League. As someone said, he could be the last gift to Boston by uncle Danny.
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Post#265 » by Hal14 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 5:18 pm

Anyone else think Udoka being hired could mean good news for Madar?

I mean, the only knock anyone seems to have on Madar is "oh, he isn't experienced at the NBA level, he's only 20 so might be too young...we might not want a rookie PG getting big minutes, especially with Tatum/Brown in their prime - we need to win now - let's get a veteran PG"

Well guess what team Udoka spent 7 out of his 9 NBA coaching seasons with, and 3 out of his 7 NBA playing seasons with? The Spurs. Who was their starting PG? Tony Parker. Parker was only a rookie. He was only 19. He was coming over from Europe. Tim Duncan was in his prime and wanted to win now. Yet Parker earned their starting PG job over Terry Porter and Antonio Daniels.

Udoka knows what type of player Parker was very well, he had a front row seat. So if Brad signs Madar I'm sure Udoka will give Madar a chance to earn minutes, because Udoka will probably see some similarities between Madar and Parker. And if Udoka is able to bring on Damon Stoudemire as assistant, that will only help Madar's development even more..

Not just Udoka, but he is bringing Hardy on too who was also in San Antonio when Parker was playing. You hear Udoka in the press conferences talking about he doesn't want to just go to the playoffs - he wants to win a championship. This dude wants to win. I guarantee you that either Udoka has already seen footage of Madar or he will soon and when he does he's gonna say to Stevens "why don't we sign this kid, bring him over and see what he can do? Especially since you just traded our starting PG for a couple of centers"
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Post#266 » by CavePerson » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:46 am

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Post#267 » by captain green » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:19 pm

Definitely ok with smart, pp, mader as being the pg squad can always find a vet pg if injury happens. No need to spend money at pg right now
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Post#268 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:53 pm

Hal14 wrote:Anyone else think Udoka being hired could mean good news for Madar?

I mean, the only knock anyone seems to have on Madar is "oh, he isn't experienced at the NBA level, he's only 20 so might be too young...we might not want a rookie PG getting big minutes, especially with Tatum/Brown in their prime - we need to win now - let's get a veteran PG"

Well guess what team Udoka spent 7 out of his 9 NBA coaching seasons with, and 3 out of his 7 NBA playing seasons with? The Spurs. Who was their starting PG? Tony Parker. Parker was only a rookie. He was only 19. He was coming over from Europe. Tim Duncan was in his prime and wanted to win now. Yet Parker earned their starting PG job over Terry Porter and Antonio Daniels.

Udoka knows what type of player Parker was very well, he had a front row seat. So if Brad signs Madar I'm sure Udoka will give Madar a chance to earn minutes, because Udoka will probably see some similarities between Madar and Parker. And if Udoka is able to bring on Damon Stoudemire as assistant, that will only help Madar's development even more..

Not just Udoka, but he is bringing Hardy on too who was also in San Antonio when Parker was playing. You hear Udoka in the press conferences talking about he doesn't want to just go to the playoffs - he wants to win a championship. This dude wants to win. I guarantee you that either Udoka has already seen footage of Madar or he will soon and when he does he's gonna say to Stevens "why don't we sign this kid, bring him over and see what he can do? Especially since you just traded our starting PG for a couple of centers"

This seems a bit of a stretch. Parker was 25 when Udoka first played for the Spurs. You may as well say, "is this good for Payton Pritchard?" because Udoka first played with Derek Fisher in LA. A four-year college guard who was underdrafted, similar to Payton Pritchard. Are Parker and Madar even similar players?
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Post#269 » by Hal14 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:34 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Anyone else think Udoka being hired could mean good news for Madar?

I mean, the only knock anyone seems to have on Madar is "oh, he isn't experienced at the NBA level, he's only 20 so might be too young...we might not want a rookie PG getting big minutes, especially with Tatum/Brown in their prime - we need to win now - let's get a veteran PG"

Well guess what team Udoka spent 7 out of his 9 NBA coaching seasons with, and 3 out of his 7 NBA playing seasons with? The Spurs. Who was their starting PG? Tony Parker. Parker was only a rookie. He was only 19. He was coming over from Europe. Tim Duncan was in his prime and wanted to win now. Yet Parker earned their starting PG job over Terry Porter and Antonio Daniels.

Udoka knows what type of player Parker was very well, he had a front row seat. So if Brad signs Madar I'm sure Udoka will give Madar a chance to earn minutes, because Udoka will probably see some similarities between Madar and Parker. And if Udoka is able to bring on Damon Stoudemire as assistant, that will only help Madar's development even more..

Not just Udoka, but he is bringing Hardy on too who was also in San Antonio when Parker was playing. You hear Udoka in the press conferences talking about he doesn't want to just go to the playoffs - he wants to win a championship. This dude wants to win. I guarantee you that either Udoka has already seen footage of Madar or he will soon and when he does he's gonna say to Stevens "why don't we sign this kid, bring him over and see what he can do? Especially since you just traded our starting PG for a couple of centers"

This seems a bit of a stretch. Parker was 25 when Udoka first played for the Spurs. You may as well say, "is this good for Payton Pritchard?" because Udoka first played with Derek Fisher in LA. A four-year college guard who was underdrafted, similar to Payton Pritchard. Are Parker and Madar even similar players?

Parker may have been 25 when Udoka joined the Spurs, but Udoka was with the Spurs a long time as a player and coach when Parker was there. No doubt Udoka is aware of what the Spurs (and what parker did) before he got there. what coach on earth (other than Popovich) is more aware of what Parker was able to do at the NBA level - for the Spurs - coming over as a 19 year old kid than Udoka? That's all I'm saying.

And IMO they are very similar players in terms of their style of play, their physique (both a little bit skinny but really tough/scrappy so it doesn't hold them back much), similar quickness, similar athleticism, the way they move on the court, the way they keep their head up all the time when they have the ball to see the whole floor so they can quickly find the open man. the way they can hit floaters in the lane, the way they can create off the dribble, always on the attack on offense, keeping pressure on the defense, similar in terms of some of the crafty, shifty dribble drive moves they make to free up their shot as well as some of the highlight reel finishes at the rim they make - even through contact, similar in terms of moving without the ball, knowing when to cut to the rim for back door layups, similar in terms of the way they run an offense, control the pace and similar in terms of knowing when to drive, when to shoot and when to pass, similar in terms of the way they handle the ball - very good handle but at times they both dribble a little high and loose - but overall Parker had a little bit better handle.

Madar is basically Parker, except Madar is 1 inch taller, a little better defender, better outside shooter. Parker is a little bit quicker - Parker is one of the quickest guards of all time. Parker is also better at being able to stop on a dime and hit the pull-up jumper - he was really freaking good at that - Madar can get there, though - it wasn't until Parker was a few years into the league until he got really freaking good at that, and Madar is only 20.
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Post#270 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Jul 3, 2021 8:01 pm

Man, I like Madar, but to compare him favorably to a hall of fame guard is just so farfetched. Parker was so quick and could get into the paint better than basically any point guard from his era and his floater was absurd and he had an array of finishing moves that are impossible to project for someone without seeing him against NBA defenses. Maybe Madar has that finishing ability in him, but I dunno if I'd count on it. He's going to have to rely on his jumper a lot to start because his handle doesn't look great enough to reliably beat NBA defenders off the dribble as of yet.
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Post#271 » by Parliament10 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 9:48 pm

captain green wrote:Definitely ok with smart, pp, mader as being the pg squad can always find a vet pg if injury happens. No need to spend money at pg right now

IDK Cap't. I think that if we can get a Starting PG, over Smart, then we go for it.

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Post#272 » by captain green » Sat Jul 3, 2021 10:16 pm

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captain green wrote:Definitely ok with smart, pp, mader as being the pg squad can always find a vet pg if injury happens. No need to spend money at pg right now

IDK Cap't. I think that if we can get a Starting PG, over Smart, then we go for it.

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Smart
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Madar (Two-Way Contract)

Well looking at the pool of pgs looks either old or expensive or nonstarter tomas looks like a backup pg glanced at his stat avg imo but I do like his size now say start smart and sign mcconnell smaller but dude is in your face all the way down the court. I wouldn't be mad at either get. edge is the size of tomas over Mcconnell all day though.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/
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Post#273 » by Hal14 » Sun Jul 4, 2021 1:14 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Man, I like Madar, but to compare him favorably to a hall of fame guard is just so farfetched. Parker was so quick and could get into the paint better than basically any point guard from his era and his floater was absurd and he had an array of finishing moves that are impossible to project for someone without seeing him against NBA defenses. Maybe Madar has that finishing ability in him, but I dunno if I'd count on it. He's going to have to rely on his jumper a lot to start because his handle doesn't look great enough to reliably beat NBA defenders off the dribble as of yet.

Yeah Parker is definitely better at beating people off the dribble, but Madar has shown solid ability to do that in Israel league and Madar is definitely a better outside shooter, and probably a better defender, and 1 inch taller.

Like you said, Parker is a hall of famer, so if Madar can even be close to as good as Parker, the C's are in good shape. Impossible to know for sure about any of these guys until they actually play at the NBA level, but from what I've seen, Madar could turn out to be pretty damn good.
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Post#274 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jul 4, 2021 2:35 am

What's the status of Madar's FIBA contract in Israel? Is there a buyout or an NBA "out" clause that he could exercise now?
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Post#275 » by SuperDeluxe » Sun Jul 4, 2021 4:03 am

Curmudgeon wrote:What's the status of Madar's FIBA contract in Israel? Is there a buyout or an NBA "out" clause that he could exercise now?

It's kind of muddy. See here: https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/yam-madar-danny-ainge-draft-nba/
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Post#276 » by cloverleaf » Sun Jul 4, 2021 4:06 pm

captain green wrote:
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captain green wrote:Definitely ok with smart, pp, mader as being the pg squad can always find a vet pg if injury happens. No need to spend money at pg right now

IDK Cap't. I think that if we can get a Starting PG, over Smart, then we go for it.

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Madar (Two-Way Contract)

Well looking at the pool of pgs looks either old or expensive or nonstarter tomas looks like a backup pg glanced at his stat avg imo but I do like his size now say start smart and sign mcconnell smaller but dude is in your face all the way down the court. I wouldn't be mad at either get. edge is the size of tomas over Mcconnell all day though.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/


Ugh. That would leave Smart and Pritchard playing more 2 than they should. If a starter comes in, Smart IMO needs to go.
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Post#277 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jul 4, 2021 4:24 pm

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Parliament10 wrote:IDK Cap't. I think that if we can get a Starting PG, over Smart, then we go for it.

Point Guards
Satoransky
Smart
Pritchard
Madar (Two-Way Contract)

Well looking at the pool of pgs looks either old or expensive or nonstarter tomas looks like a backup pg glanced at his stat avg imo but I do like his size now say start smart and sign mcconnell smaller but dude is in your face all the way down the court. I wouldn't be mad at either get. edge is the size of tomas over Mcconnell all day though.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/


Ugh. That would leave Smart and Pritchard playing more 2 than they should. If a starter comes in, Smart IMO needs to go.

Satoransky is 6'7". He plays both Guard positions. It gives us flexibility.
We need another PG.

Is Smart the one that we want as a permanent Starting PG?
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Post#278 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Jul 5, 2021 8:46 pm

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Post#279 » by GoGreen » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:38 pm

Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?
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Post#280 » by reload141 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:57 pm

Is anyone worried about Yam’s minutes impacting Brown’s?

It seems like Brown is destined to make multiple All-Star appearances but Yam might put a stop to that, we should probably look at trading Brown to be honest.

He can get more All-Star appearances on other teams.

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