It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[jfs1000d]

We have to get off the dump Kemba. We aren't going to dump him. He is too good to dump. Stop with acting like he is Vin Baker.

We aren't looking to trade Kemba for nothing. That's dumb. We are looking to get him healthy (which he is) and playing well (which he isn't).

Hopefully Fournier is a player who can make shots and open up the lane for Kemba.

Kemba sucks and will not look good on this team until he at least comes off the bench

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

[PierceFan4ever]

Fournier gives the Jays someone they will be able to trust to take and make big shots. This move will make them better players, IMO.

Teams are swarming our stars, especially Tatum.

Tatum gets like all of the defensive attention from other teams, basically gets 2-3 guys paying attention to him when he has the ball, it’s crazy how little room he has to operate. Jaylen draws a second man whenever he drives to the hoop, a guy like Fournier as opposed to Semi/Javonte will make defenses that much more hesitant, and with Jaylens ridiculous first step, will make a pretty decent difference.

This move obviously doesn’t make this team even close to a real contender, but this teams future is all about the leap Tatum, and to a lesser extent Jaylen make. And I genuinely believe this will make them better players.

What’s all crazy is that I feel like JT plays the least with the starting group between Kemba and Jaylen. He normally plays like 6 minutes that first quarter with the starting lineup and then plays a bulk of his minutes with the second unit with no one who can create their own basket. Same applies to the second half. JT himself doesn’t generate easy baskets by driving in and going to the line. So it’s a hard earned 25 points most nights

[darrendaye]

Bets on how the Theis trade was structured? I'm guessing Kornet into Portier's TPE, Green for Wagner, new 5mm TPE for Theis. Will mean 11mm Gordon TPE, 5mm Theis TPE and 4.767mm Kanter TPE available in the offseason.

[Patsfan1081]

WE TRADED THEIS FOR WHO?!?!?!??

Think this guy was one of them.

[moonie_mcgee]

If they didn’t need to get rid of Theis why did they then?

He was going into free agency and Ainge went with a younger, taller, less expensive alternative. See Belichick.

again, it was pretty much 100% to get under the tax.

What's pretty much 100%? Ainge had other choices.
He didn't want to pay what Theis would expect or he'd still be here. He should do more this with role players.

[zoyathedestroya]

Of the 45 players traded, Theis has the 3rd highest Win Shares behind Vucevic and Powell. I could be wrong. Not a lot of substantial players changing teams.

[Ed Pinkney]

I don’t covet a single player traded today. Vukevic might have brought some fire power to center spot but I don’t want a center who can’t defend locked in for 2 years at that salary. I wanted Gordon because it would be fun to see more defense and athleticism but the price was too high and he doesn’t get us anywhere special. Oladipo is a bad fit and George Hill is less exciting than Fournier. Norman Powell might be better 2 way player than Fournier but I like Evan’s height better.

So given nothing great happened today, Ainge didn’t really miss out. If you think we should have emptied cupboard to bring Vukevic and Gordon and traded Smart to do it so that we could be a “contender” this year.....I just don’t think it’s a good plan.

So we lost our TPE but Danny has a backup plan. Smart and TT combined are a 24 million expiring contract and combined with a young player ( PP, Langford or Nesmith ) can easily get us a better player than the TPE could have.

Losing Theis hurts. We are worse for that, no doubt. But now the team can let Timelord shine and either become the stud we need or at least become a bigger asset in a future trade.

Finally, if Evan F ends up being a rental .... we lost nothing of value and we still have Nesmith and Langford as understudies.

This could be a lost year. However, we did get to ECF last year with a lesser roster. TT and RW could pop. Fournier might not bring Hayward’s all around game but he might do what we actually needed from Hayward last year which was to just shoot the ball when he’s wide open.

One more thing.....we have more money to offer players bought out than our competitors. Maybe LaMarcus and Drummond would rather play in LA and Miami.....but Danny can pay them more. Either will be massive upgrade from Theis on this current roster if we can sign one.

Agree completely. It is obvious that no one of consequence was actually available, or if they were the cost was too high.

Fournier should help because he is a lot better than any wing on the team not named Brown or Tatum.

I don’t quite understand the Theis move, if Wagner is a UFA, couldn’t they have thrown another asset at the Bulls and tried to get Markkinen instead? I don’t like the idea of giving up such a solid player just because he will probably leave in the off season if the return is so uninspiring. I guess they are wanting to give Rob Williams more of a roll.

My only main concern is one of Fournier, Smart or Walker will need to come off the bench (and it probably shouldn’t be Fournier) so that creates some potential head aches for the coaching staff as Walker and Smart probably both think they should start.

[keevsnick1]

He was going into free agency and Ainge went with a younger, taller, less expensive alternative. See Belichick.

again, it was pretty much 100% to get under the tax.

What's pretty much 100%? Ainge had other choices.
He didn't want to pay what Theis would expect or he'd still be here. He should do more this with role players.

I say pretty much 100% because after the Fournier trade they were over the tax by an amount that was more than Teagues contract, in other words just dropping JUST Teague wouldn't get them out of it. As a result they needed to trade a bigger contract than Teague. But the only guys who make more than him are either hard to trade like Thompson, or young guys with value like Grant, Langford, ect. In other words guys you don't wnat to salary dump. Since is expiring that made dumping him pretty much the only option to get under the tax.

Its pretyy simple right, theis is better than they guys they acquired and both guys are also expiring's so obviously the reason they did it was purely tax motivated.

[zoyathedestroya]

Bets on how the Theis trade was structured? I'm guessing Kornet into Portier's TPE, Green for Wagner, new 5mm TPE for Theis. Will mean 11mm Gordon TPE, 5mm Theis TPE and 4.767mm Kanter TPE available in the offseason.

Looks good.

And don't we get a Teague-sized TPE from the Fournier trade?

EDIT: Teague's TPE is useless since it's for the minimum, right? So it's mostly for bookkeeping hehe.

[keevsnick1]

Bets on how the Theis trade was structured? I'm guessing Kornet into Portier's TPE, Green for Wagner, new 5mm TPE for Theis. Will mean 11mm Gordon TPE, 5mm Theis TPE and 4.767mm Kanter TPE available in the offseason.

Looks good.

And don't we get a Teague-sized TPE from the Fournier trade?

Teague's a minimum, I believe you can always take a minimum contract. A TPE is not required.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I still feel one of the reasons we traded Theis was to force Stevens to play Williams more during closes. We need to force him to develop.

[jfs1000d]

I don’t covet a single player traded today. Vukevic might have brought some fire power to center spot but I don’t want a center who can’t defend locked in for 2 years at that salary. I wanted Gordon because it would be fun to see more defense and athleticism but the price was too high and he doesn’t get us anywhere special. Oladipo is a bad fit and George Hill is less exciting than Fournier. Norman Powell might be better 2 way player than Fournier but I like Evan’s height better.

So given nothing great happened today, Ainge didn’t really miss out. If you think we should have emptied cupboard to bring Vukevic and Gordon and traded Smart to do it so that we could be a “contender” this year.....I just don’t think it’s a good plan.

So we lost our TPE but Danny has a backup plan. Smart and TT combined are a 24 million expiring contract and combined with a young player ( PP, Langford or Nesmith ) can easily get us a better player than the TPE could have.

Losing Theis hurts. We are worse for that, no doubt. But now the team can let Timelord shine and either become the stud we need or at least become a bigger asset in a future trade.

Finally, if Evan F ends up being a rental .... we lost nothing of value and we still have Nesmith and Langford as understudies.

This could be a lost year. However, we did get to ECF last year with a lesser roster. TT and RW could pop. Fournier might not bring Hayward’s all around game but he might do what we actually needed from Hayward last year which was to just shoot the ball when he’s wide open.

One more thing.....we have more money to offer players bought out than our competitors. Maybe LaMarcus and Drummond would rather play in LA and Miami.....but Danny can pay them more. Either will be massive upgrade from Theis on this current roster if we can sign one.

Agree completely. It is obvious that no one of consequence was actually available, or if they were the cost was too high.

Fournier should help because he is a lot better than any wing on the team not named Brown or Tatum.

I don’t quite understand the Theis move, if Wagner is a UFA, couldn’t they have thrown another asset at the Bulls and tried to get Markkinen instead? I don’t like the idea of giving up such a solid player just because he will probably leave in the off season if the return is so uninspiring. I guess they are wanting to give Rob Williams more of a roll.

My only main concern is one of Fournier, Smart or Walker will need to come off the bench (and it probably shouldn’t be Fournier) so that creates some potential head aches for the coaching staff as Walker and Smart probably both think they should start.

Smart off the bench. He's a 25 minute guy off the bench. When he goes 30 or more its a problem.

The lineup is:

Walker/Fournier/Brown/Tatum/Thompson

Bench: Smart, Williams, PP and then we start searching.

Theis has to be odd man out. He doesn't have the size at center we need.

[zoyathedestroya]

Bets on how the Theis trade was structured? I'm guessing Kornet into Portier's TPE, Green for Wagner, new 5mm TPE for Theis. Will mean 11mm Gordon TPE, 5mm Theis TPE and 4.767mm Kanter TPE available in the offseason.

Looks good.

And don't we get a Teague-sized TPE from the Fournier trade?

Teague's a minimum, I believe you can always take a minimum contract. A TPE is not required.

Yep, realized it as soon as I posted.

[keevsnick1]

I still feel one of the reasons we traded Theis was to force Stevens to play Williams more during closes. We need to force him to develop.

That would not surprise me at all. Stevens uses vets as a crutch if at all possible.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I also feel like we traded Teague cuz Stevens wouldnt stop playing him

[themoneyteam2]

Ainge has already said Timelord can’t handle more than 25 minutes consistently. This doesn’t suddenly make him a 30 MPG starter lol

[keevsnick1]

Looks good.

And don't we get a Teague-sized TPE from the Fournier trade?

Teague's a minimum, I believe you can always take a minimum contract. A TPE is not required.

Yep, realized it as soon as I posted.

I think before this season i thought about TPE's like never. Now everything is a TPE.

[Captain_Caveman]

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[Celtics1918]

Fournier gives the Jays someone they will be able to trust to take and make big shots. This move will make them better players, IMO.

It also takes pressure of Kemba opens up the floor for him. Now he needs to knock down his jumper.

[darrendaye]

Fournier gives the Jays someone they will be able to trust to take and make big shots. This move will make them better players, IMO.

It also takes pressure of Kemba opens up the floor for him. Now he needs to knock down his jumper.

Also opens more of the drive game for him, as well as the Jays.