Brad Stevens Thread – Finding The Way

[zoyathedestroya]

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Extending Smart and Rob plus trading away Schroder and Kanter for guys with long-term contracts are underrated moves. What I wished Ainge had done with Rozier and Mook prior to 2018-19.

[BK_2020]

I legit think the Suns not extending Ayton was the #1 reason they lost to the Mavs.

[hugepatsfan]

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Extending Smart and Rob plus trading away Schroder and Kanter for guys with long-term contracts are underrated moves. What I wished Ainge had done with Rozier and Mook prior to 2018-19.

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

Extending Smart and Rob plus trading away Schroder and Kanter for guys with long-term contracts are underrated moves. What I wished Ainge had done with Rozier and Mook prior to 2018-19.

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

[hugepatsfan]

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Extending Smart and Rob plus trading away Schroder and Kanter for guys with long-term contracts are underrated moves. What I wished Ainge had done with Rozier and Mook prior to 2018-19.

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

[playa-hater]

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

agree with this.. the heavy minutes Al is getting is definitely slowing his production. He is looking old for the first time in a while.. With that said, give him far less minutes next season and keep him fresh, otherwise I feel an extension might turn out to be bad..

[165bows]

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

I was thinking an Al extension made sense for awhile but I’m wondering if they can even do it at a number that makes sense. Can they extend at whatever base salary they want, or is it contingent on a percentage increase/decrease from the prior starting point? Ie, an extension might not be able to start at lower than ~$21M eg.

[hugepatsfan]

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

I was thinking an Al extension made sense for awhile but I’m wondering if they can even do it at a number that makes sense. Can they extend at whatever base salary they want, or is it contingent on a percentage increase/decrease from the prior starting point? Ie, an extension might not be able to start at lower than ~$21M eg.

I've only seen that it can be for "up to" 120% of the last year salary in your contract. Nothing I've found mentioned any downward limit. I'm just hesitant to commit anything to Horford a year early for what would be his age 37 season. If he shows signs of decline he might very well be looking at a minimum salary by then.

[hugepatsfan]

Separate thought with Al...

Remember when we had cap space the year before we signed Al? We weren't good enough yet to attract a big FA. So Ainge signed bloated one year deals with Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko with second year team options. Basically just rolled the cap space over to next year. Then the next year came the huge cap jump. We used that part on Al. But then after failing to also sign Durant, we just picked up the options on Johnson and Jerebko. That let us roll over the cap space to the next year again, when we signed Hayward.

Memphis is kind of in that same cap space situation. They have big cap space this year but could roll it over to next year if there's no multi year option they like. He'd be a great one year fit next to Jaren Jackson Jr. the way he was with Rob here. Vet mentor. Only a 1 year commitment so they can roll the flexibility over to next year.

Maybe they'd be interested in taking Horford into cap space. That would help us facilitate a deal elsewhere.

BOS gives: Horford, assets
BOS gets: long term piece from 3rd team

MEM gives: cap space
MEM gets: Horford

3rd team gives: long term piece we like
3rd team gets: assets from us, trade exception since MEM is taking Horford

IDK who that player is, but just throwing it out there as a suggestion. If we could land a Jerami Grant or a Myles Turner maybe that's a guy they feel good about as the long term starting PF and would be willing to sacrifice Horford to facilitate that happening a year early. Like I said, just a suggestion.

[Parliament10]

Separate thought with Al...

Remember when we had cap space the year before we signed Al? We weren't good enough yet to attract a big FA. So Ainge signed bloated one year deals with Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko with second year team options. Basically just rolled the cap space over to next year. Then the next year came the huge cap jump. We used that part on Al. But then after failing to also sign Durant, we just picked up the options on Johnson and Jerebko. That let us roll over the cap space to the next year again, when we signed Hayward.

Memphis is kind of in that same cap space situation. They have big cap space this year but could roll it over to next year if there's no multi year option they like. He'd be a great one year fit next to Jaren Jackson Jr. the way he was with Rob here. Vet mentor. Only a 1 year commitment so they can roll the flexibility over to next year.

Maybe they'd be interested in taking Horford into cap space. That would help us facilitate a deal elsewhere.

BOS gives: Horford, assets
BOS gets: long term piece from 3rd team

MEM gives: cap space
MEM gets: Horford

3rd team gives: long term piece we like
3rd team gets: assets from us, trade exception since MEM is taking Horford

IDK who that player is, but just throwing it out there as a suggestion. If we could land a Jerami Grant or a Myles Turner maybe that's a guy they feel good about as the long term starting PF and would be willing to sacrifice Horford to facilitate that happening a year early. Like I said, just a suggestion.

PASS

Let's just keep Al Horford.
Seems really invaluable.

[165bows]

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

I was thinking an Al extension made sense for awhile but I’m wondering if they can even do it at a number that makes sense. Can they extend at whatever base salary they want, or is it contingent on a percentage increase/decrease from the prior starting point? Ie, an extension might not be able to start at lower than ~$21M eg.

I've only seen that it can be for "up to" 120% of the last year salary in your contract. Nothing I've found mentioned any downward limit. I'm just hesitant to commit anything to Horford a year early for what would be his age 37 season. If he shows signs of decline he might very well be looking at a minimum salary by then.

There are limits within a contract percentage-wise both up and down from one year to the next, I have a feeling that extensions may be the same way. I was thinking a 2 year deal with less value would work but not sure if that is actually possible ahead of time.

[Hal14]

Thought this was very interesting. Points to them making a serious effort to reach an extension with Grant Williams this offseason over letting him go to restricted free agency.

Also in regards to the TPE, wonder if he'd look for multi year guys. Or extend someone if they have one year left (like he did with Richardson).

Horford and Grant extensions are legit possibilities.

TPE use will depend on how deep ownership is willing to go into tax and of course on who's available in the trade market.

Horford extension seems unlikely to me. Next year will be his age 36 season. So any extension years would cover ages 37 and on. I just don't see the need to commit early to those years. Love Horford and hope he retires here and I do like the idea of locking guys up early, but committing early to someone's age 37 season is where I draw the line.

I'm actually kind of concerned for Al next year. He had a rest year in OKC last year. This has been a heavy minute playoff run. Very concerned he will show his age next year.

exactly. I don't think you extend Horford. You let him play out the last year of his contract next season.

Then either he rides off into the sunset of retirement after next season. Or, if he thinks he has enough gas left in the tank for 1 more season (would be his age 37 season) then maybe we sign him to a 1 year deal to be our backup center. .

[Parliament10]

I Believe that Stevens did his best, with what he had.
No offense to Danny Ainge. But, Stevens brought us back to the Finals, for the first time in 12 years.

Ainge did get all of the Drafted Players, and made some Big Deals, during his overall tenure.
Credit where Credit is Due.

But . . .
There's a New Sheriff in Town.

[Parliament10]

Brad Stevens is known for his ability to analysis and apply basketball knowledge and develop very good NBA players. He is doing this very good. Nick Stauskas signing has added to his arsenal of good basketball talent. Building a very good bench is very important to reach the NBA finals. I commend Brad Stevens and continue in the process of rebuilding and remaking the Celtics. Thanks

How do you feel about this Thread being renamed, "Brad Stevens -- There's a New Sheriff in Town" or something like that?

[Parliament10]

Stevens, Entering his 2nd Off-Season.
Let's see what he does.

[playa-hater]

Stevens, Entering his 2nd Off-Season.
Let's see what he does.

I have said it all throughout the season, I believe Stevens did a phenomenal job as POBO. But every season is a new beginning. Ainge had some great years and some WTF years. Not easy and is Part of the job I guess.

Hopefully Brad can repeat his performance (believe he can) At the very least do not F it up..

[Red2]

Derrick White trade is still up for debate as to whether it was a good deal. Unless his shooting improves and he becomes a more consistent player I’d have to say that Josh, romeo and our first round pick were too much to pay

[jmr07019]

How does everybody feel about Brad's moves now? The stuff from last offseason (Ime, Smart and Rob extensions) still looks great. The mid season stuff? Eh....

Theis was a swing and a miss. I know we wanted to dump Schro but we would have been better off just cutting him or buying him out.

White trade looks like a push at best. White was not meaningfully better than Josh. Derrick gave us consistent defense with inconsistent offense. When White's offense is on he is a huge plus on the court but there were also stretches spanning several games where teams dared him to shoot and he said no thanks. Considering White's salary and the fact that we gave up a pick and a swap I was expecting more.

Seeing Christian Wood traded and Murray in rumors is perhaps not Brad's fault but maybe it is. Sure feels like we picked the wrong guys to trade for and potentially missed great opportunities to add talent.

[hugepatsfan]

I wouldn't push all my chips in for Murray, just don't think he's THAT good of a player to justify the insane cost SA wants.

White is much, much better than JRich. You can just see it in how he plays. Less offensive stagnation when he gets the ball, more capable of doing more, fills a critical role in a switching scheme of being able to play PG while guard wings. he's a perfect fitting role player while JRich was sort of "meh". I do wish we could have kept JRich though, but that was more about ownership wanting to delay going into the tax by a year (understandable from a business standpoint and where we were in standings).

Christian Wood isn't a good basketball player. Good stats on bad team type of guy. Not at all concerned about missing on him.

Never liked the Theis deal. But honestly I'm not sure we get by BRK without him. He played well in that series while Rob was out and then severely hobbled. That was a sweep but crazy low margin of victory. If we were playing someone like Kanter or DeAndre Jordan on a mid season minimum pickup it very well could have swung a few games. It's an eyesore on our cap sheet, but honestly he kind of saved our bacon last year, much as I wish we didn't have him now.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Since Stevens took over:

IN
Malcolm Brogdon
Danilo Gallinari
Al Horford
Derrick White
Juhann Begarin
JD Davison
Sam Hauser
Matt Ryan
Brodric Thomas

STAY
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Payton Pritchard
Grant Williams
Robert Williams

OUT
Tremont Waters
Jabari Parker
Kemba Walker
Tristan Thompson
Daniel Theis
Semi Ojeleye
Aaron Nesmith
Evan Fournier
Javonte Green
Romeo Langford
Tacko Fall