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Post#261 » by lon3lytoaster » Mon May 23, 2022 3:28 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:I thought even if his shooting was subpar they could really use his playmaking but that hasnt even panned out with the wings brining the ball up so much. At this point I honestly think Richardson could have contributed more in the playoffs.


Pretty much my thoughts unfortunately. White has no place in the rotation right now, but is still going to rack up minutes over Pritchard.

Having Richardson available for some open threes would be nice right about now.
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Post#262 » by KingofTheClay » Tue May 24, 2022 12:20 am

This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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Post#263 » by greenroom31 » Tue May 24, 2022 12:39 am

Derrick White show-out game coming
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Post#264 » by hugepatsfan » Tue May 24, 2022 12:53 am

KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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Post#265 » by Hal14 » Tue May 24, 2022 3:06 am

KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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Post#266 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue May 24, 2022 6:12 am

Hal14 wrote:
KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap
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Post#267 » by SilverQuick » Tue May 24, 2022 7:01 am

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap

He helped team to make a good start and team never looked back after that. Other than horrific shooting he was very good actually . I mean he didnt cost us the game at least :)
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Post#268 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue May 24, 2022 7:09 am

Read on Twitter

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My favorite part of his game is he pushes the ball (Horford too) on turnovers and misses. Smart will do well emulating that.
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Post#269 » by Triple7 » Tue May 24, 2022 8:20 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:
Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

My favorite part of his game is he pushes the ball (Horford too) on turnovers and misses. Smart will do well emulating that.


I agree with hiw he pushes the ball well. Plus he doesn’t commit that many passing mistakes compared to smart. Smart’s bounce passes are cringe worthy sometimes.
If only White can shoot. He doesn’t have the touch. He is missing 3ft floaters. He needs to do something in the off season.
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Post#270 » by Setshot33 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:21 am

Triple7 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

My favorite part of his game is he pushes the ball (Horford too) on turnovers and misses. Smart will do well emulating that.


I agree with hiw he pushes the ball well. Plus he doesn’t commit that many passing mistakes compared to smart. Smart’s bounce passes are cringe worthy sometimes.
If only White can shoot. He doesn’t have the touch. He is missing 3ft floaters. He needs to do something in the off season.

Say this every game: Learn to use the backboard. Would solve alot of problems.

Not just White, alot of guys running hard to the rim,should try using the backboard to help their shot.

It's a lost fundamental in today's NBA.
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Post#271 » by Scoonie » Tue May 24, 2022 12:58 pm

He really needs to work on this 3-point shooting in the offseason. He is getting so many open threes for usthat he's not knocking down.
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Post#272 » by sam_I_am » Tue May 24, 2022 1:04 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap



Are you kidding? No Marcus Smart….you want to start PP and see Lowry and Butler go off? You prefer Langford or JRich playing point? JRich was a disaster as backup PG. What good would the pick swap do for us last night? White just saved our season outscoring every Heat starter with 10 pts. in first quarter.

Maybe we could have got a better 2 way PG with that package this off season….but thanks to Brad that he made this deal or our season was over.

I understand frustration with Theis and White but our most injured players have been Smart and Rob and we are lucky to have players of that quality - despite their warts - to fill the void.

People act like we White and Theis are ruining this season. Remember, with the talent on paper to start this season we were expected be on bubble to even make the playoffs. So if the trades were so bad and made us so much worse…..why are we the favorites to win this series and go to finals? [the answer to that question is Horford btw]
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Post#273 » by Hal14 » Tue May 24, 2022 1:19 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
KingofTheClay wrote:This guy is going to cost us game 4.

We are in bad bad shape


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He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap

what does that have to do with the posts your replying to?

The other guy said "this guy is going to cost us game 4". His post aged horribly. White did not cost us game 4 - he played great and we won in a blowout, in a huge game with our backs against the wall and with no Smart.

That's it. Leave it at that. The posts you're replying to have nothing to with the trade..

Oh and he shot 28.6% from the field, not 20%. Might want to get your facts straight if you're gonna bash players. Not a great shooting performance but not too bad either when you consider he took 14 shots, which is a much heavier workload than he usually takes on.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Post#274 » by celtxman » Tue May 24, 2022 4:02 pm

Hal14 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Hal14 wrote:this post aged horribly :lol:


He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap

what does that have to do with the posts your replying to?

The other guy said "this guy is going to cost us game 4". His post aged horribly. White did not cost us game 4 - he played great and we won in a blowout, in a huge game with our backs against the wall and with no Smart.

That's it. Leave it at that. The posts you're replying to have nothing to with the trade..

Oh and he shot 28.6% from the field, not 20%. Might want to get your facts straight if you're gonna bash players. Not a great shooting performance but not too bad either when you consider he took 14 shots, which is a much heavier workload than he usually takes on.
Look most of us desperately want White to succeed. But he needs to be a better shooter, end of story. If they kept Richardson, I can't believe they couldn't have found a Jevon Carter type on the cheap, to hustle, play good defense and hit an occasional jumper. He hit his first three shots. Great! Go 3-11 the rest of the way and we're good with 6 for 14. You could even see him being a little aggressive with some shots while they were up big to try to get going. He couldn't hit. Celtics won Game 2 rather easily without him. I'm not in the camp that White is irreplaceable. He has to score reliably
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Post#275 » by djFan71 » Tue May 24, 2022 4:51 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:My favorite part of his game is he pushes the ball (Horford too) on turnovers and misses. Smart will do well emulating that.

This! I was saying during the game after one of Horford pushes that the only one better than Al at it on the team was White. I really wish Smart would do it more. PP is slow too. You see how effective it is for other guys/teams (Lowry for ex) and it drives me nuts when we don't do it.
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Post#276 » by soxfan2003 » Tue May 24, 2022 4:52 pm

White shows how stats in context of a game can be misleading when the game was on the line, he performed really well. When the game was pretty much won, he couldn't hit a shot so that dragged down his overall performance but his play on both ends of the court was really important to the Celtics getting the big lead.

Smart has had a good playoffs overall and is a +42.
White despite not shooting 3's well at all is a +56 for the playoffs.
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Post#277 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue May 24, 2022 5:02 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:My favorite part of his game is he pushes the ball (Horford too) on turnovers and misses. Smart will do well emulating that.

This! I was saying during the game after one of Horford pushes that the only one better than Al at it on the team was White. I really wish Smart would do it more. PP is slow too. You see how effective it is for other guys/teams (Lowry for ex) and it drives me nuts when we don't do it.

I heard Ime in one of the plugged-in segments instructing his players to push the pace (or maybe applauding them for running off misses/turnovers). Either way, I think they've made it a point of emphasis. Which, if the players bodies hold up, is advantageous against an older, smaller, hobbled Heat. Tatum, PP, and Smart all take about 7 seconds to cross halfcourt and another 5-7 to initiate offense which can be infruriating sometimes. Give your team a shot at a secondary or tertiary action by setting the offense up early.
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Post#278 » by Hal14 » Tue May 24, 2022 5:03 pm

celtxman wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
He shot 20% from the field. I do understand he has good qualities, such as ball-movement, defense, speed, quick decision making, but he does need to do slightly better on offense. His game is definitely not enough to justify a pick and a pick swap

what does that have to do with the posts your replying to?

The other guy said "this guy is going to cost us game 4". His post aged horribly. White did not cost us game 4 - he played great and we won in a blowout, in a huge game with our backs against the wall and with no Smart.

That's it. Leave it at that. The posts you're replying to have nothing to with the trade..

Oh and he shot 28.6% from the field, not 20%. Might want to get your facts straight if you're gonna bash players. Not a great shooting performance but not too bad either when you consider he took 14 shots, which is a much heavier workload than he usually takes on.
Look most of us desperately want White to succeed. But he needs to be a better shooter, end of story. If they kept Richardson, I can't believe they couldn't have found a Jevon Carter type on the cheap, to hustle, play good defense and hit an occasional jumper. He hit his first three shots. Great! Go 3-11 the rest of the way and we're good with 6 for 14. You could even see him being a little aggressive with some shots while they were up big to try to get going. He couldn't hit. Celtics won Game 2 rather easily without him. I'm not in the camp that White is irreplaceable. He has to score reliably

If you look at the 2.5 seasons prior to the trade (so a much more statistically significant sample size of data rather than just looking at the time period since the trade)

Richardson 35% from 3
White 34% from 3

If we look at TS%, which is typically seen as a more accurate stat for shooting efficiency, these are their career marks:

Richardson = 54.0% regular season, 50.4% playoffs
White = 56.3% regular season, 52.5% playoffs

People keep acting like white is this terrible shooter and richardson is so much better as a shooter - it's just not true.

Oh and a "Jevon Carter type"? He got booted from milwaukee's rotation once george hill was healthy - and george hill was really bad. So I'm not sure how a Jevon Carter type would have helped this celtics team win more games.
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Post#279 » by jfs1000d » Tue May 24, 2022 5:14 pm

Scoonie wrote:He really needs to work on this 3-point shooting in the offseason. He is getting so many open threes for usthat he's not knocking down.


He will shoot better next year. There is something mechanical that they need to fix there. He's a good player. 4-14 and as excellent. Missed shots, drive me crazy.
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Post#280 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue May 24, 2022 5:41 pm

Hal14 wrote:
celtxman wrote:
Hal14 wrote:what does that have to do with the posts your replying to?

The other guy said "this guy is going to cost us game 4". His post aged horribly. White did not cost us game 4 - he played great and we won in a blowout, in a huge game with our backs against the wall and with no Smart.

That's it. Leave it at that. The posts you're replying to have nothing to with the trade..

Oh and he shot 28.6% from the field, not 20%. Might want to get your facts straight if you're gonna bash players. Not a great shooting performance but not too bad either when you consider he took 14 shots, which is a much heavier workload than he usually takes on.
Look most of us desperately want White to succeed. But he needs to be a better shooter, end of story. If they kept Richardson, I can't believe they couldn't have found a Jevon Carter type on the cheap, to hustle, play good defense and hit an occasional jumper. He hit his first three shots. Great! Go 3-11 the rest of the way and we're good with 6 for 14. You could even see him being a little aggressive with some shots while they were up big to try to get going. He couldn't hit. Celtics won Game 2 rather easily without him. I'm not in the camp that White is irreplaceable. He has to score reliably

If you look at the 2.5 seasons prior to the trade (so a much more statistically significant sample size of data rather than just looking at the time period since the trade)

Richardson 35% from 3
White 34% from 3

If we look at TS%, which is typically seen as a more accurate stat for shooting efficiency, these are their career marks:

Richardson = 54.0% regular season, 50.4% playoffs
White = 56.3% regular season, 52.5% playoffs

People keep acting like white is this terrible shooter and richardson is so much better as a shooter - it's just not true.

He's just in a slump right now. It happens. The timing sucks but it's not like he's doing it on purpose.

As someone that enjoyed seeing Richardson relaunch his NBA career in Boston and would have no problem bringing him back this summer with the Founier TPE, there's a reason Dallas gave him away for nothing and he's on his 5th team in 4 years. Even with his outside shot not falling, White is the better defender, playmaker and more efficient scorer because he gets to the line a ton more. Richardson is like an 8th man on a championship team, White is like a 6th man. That's not a trivial difference.

If Stevens hadn't done the trade, the Celtics would already be at home. Even if the Celtics don't go all the way this year, the extra reps late in the playoffs for Tatum, Brown, Smart, Udoka and the rest of the core have value. Arguably more so than a late first round pick that is unlikely to turn into a good NBA player.

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