Hawks Peck Our Eyes Out! Big Dumb Loss vs ATL 4/25 (BOS leads 3-2)

[Marvel]

I said game1 I hated how we started walking the ball up with the lead, the only difference was how much we led by. We do it far too often. Our rhythm was all out of sorts as it always is. Nah, no one agreed with me then because we won. yall only see it bc we lost. i don't know much but I know that's bad basketball. Even saw some agreeing with the pace BECAUSE of our lead. Funny, thought it was play the right way at all times? WE NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER!! Joe is the one who wants it, otherwise, he's allowing his voice to be ignored.

Plenty of people agreed with you.

I'm not going back but it wasn't plenty.

There were many posters pointing this out.

[BK_2020]

For Someone who doesn’t shut up about how much they idolise Kobe, JT often can lack that Bamba Mentality.

Hell. Even if he had Jaylen’s mentality he would be untouchable in this league.

Jaylen was averaging 15 ppg in close out games before last night.
But yeah, Bamba Mentality is apt.

[Fierce1]

Mo Bamba mentality???

[FlatearthZorro]

Mo Bamba mentality???

He better not send another corny text to Kobe unless he gets his act together.

[Fierce1]

I wouldn't be surprised if JT has a big game 6.

Just like last season when the Cs choked in game 5 against the Bucks.

JT bounced back and forced a game 7 in Boston.

[FlatearthZorro]

It’s always the **** coach not the **** core that has done this with 3 different head coaches and personnel. The Jays and Smart are the **** problem for our issues down the stretch. IT and a bunch of scrubs had more poise than them

True. This is a fact, it can't always be the coach, they are grown men. The coach has to get a decent scheme going, that's about it for me. with the quality we got, we should've won in 4. Not to mention we blew out the Hawks multiple times during the regular season and their team is overall awful with SERIOUS lack of defensive capabilities. This is unacceptable and I'm a bit worried.

Also, Tatum's awareness and game senses haven;t been that great in the past 2 years. Bro's jacking up shots regardless of how he shoots. He will jack up around 20-25 shots. In this particular game if Brown and White had a few more shots a piece, we would've closed it out, despite Tatum's horrid game. I still don't understand why White doesn't get at least 15-16 shots a game when he's been dominating the Hawks and scoring so well every game.

[Triple7]

I’m sorry but Tatum is not a **** 1. Maybe the trade should have been Tatum for KD

He's a ******* loser. This was 100% on him.

WRONG. Smart should not have played the last 4 minutes.

He’s right though not complete. This was on Tatum and Smart. The moment they come in, the game slowed down. Turnovers left and right, and constant chucking of 3’s and over dribbling. Brown, brogdon and white, when together inside, constantly attacked the rim and putting pressure on defense. With JT and Smart, the hawks were just waiting for us to miss that 3. It’s on them, as well as bubble gum Joe. Do we really need smart to finish games? If his D was that good, how come he couldn’t stop Trae from converting 14 straight points.

[darrendaye]

Sucks that they wasted a tremendous effort game by Horford.

[Triple7]

I wouldn't be surprised if JT has a big game 6.

Just like last season when the Cs choked in game 5 against the Bucks.

JT bounced back and forced a game 7 in Boston.

That’s the **** problem. Why can’t he be consistent. Like what superstars usually does. He did this last year already. Showing up every other game, and choking heavily in the finals. Why can’t he just stop taking all those 3’s. He is a rhythm shooter. If he doesn’t have it, he won’t have it for the game. Booker on the other hand, takes 3’s and a ton of mid range shots. Tatum is so predictable on offense on most times.

[Celts17Pride]

If I am being honest, I’ll be shocked if there isn’t a Game 7. Celtics have given the Hawks new hope, Hawks are going home and they get Murray back. I will be surprised if this Celtics team wins Game 6.

[colincb]

TNT postgame show: First Celtics team to ever lose a home playoff game when leading by 10 points going into the 4th quarter.

[FlatearthZorro]

He's a ******* loser. This was 100% on him.

WRONG. Smart should not have played the last 4 minutes.

He’s right though not complete. This was on Tatum and Smart. The moment they come in, the game slowed down. Turnovers left and right, and constant chucking of 3’s and over dribbling. Brown, brogdon and white, when together inside, constantly attacked the rim and putting pressure on defense. With JT and Smart, the hawks were just waiting for us to miss that 3. It’s on them, as well as bubble gum Joe. Do we really need smart to finish games? If his D was that good, how come he couldn’t stop Trae from converting 14 straight points.

Yep and the matchups are/were so good for all 3 of them- Trae/Bogdanovic and Sadiq Bey. On paper, the Hawks shouldn't win more than 1 or 2 games against us out of 10. Trae Young to me, is not better than White and I know that he had 38 pts, but on 33 shots, White had 18 on 11 FGA.

[Triple7]

It’s always the **** coach not the **** core that has done this with 3 different head coaches and personnel. The Jays and Smart are the **** problem for our issues down the stretch. IT and a bunch of scrubs had more poise than them

True. This is a fact, it can't always be the coach, they are grown men. The coach has to get a decent scheme going, that's about it for me. with the quality we got, we should've won in 4. Not to mention we blew out the Hawks multiple times during the regular season and their team is overall awful with SERIOUS lack of defensive capabilities. This is unacceptable and I'm a bit worried.

Also, Tatum's awareness and game senses haven;t been that great in the past 2 years. Bro's jacking up shots regardless of how he shoots. He will jack up around 20-25 shots. In this particular game if Brown and White had a few more shots a piece, we would've closed it out, despite Tatum's horrid game. I still don't understand why White doesn't get at least 15-16 shots a game when he's been dominating the Hawks and scoring so well every game.

Exactly! I think he’s not really comfortable at driving inside unlike JB. He has trouble with his handles and ball control around the rim, especially with contact. Plus that constant chucking is just JT wanting to have his stats. If he’s all for winning, he should have facilitated more, and let JB, white or brog take all the shots.

[FlatearthZorro]

I wouldn't be surprised if JT has a big game 6.

Just like last season when the Cs choked in game 5 against the Bucks.

JT bounced back and forced a game 7 in Boston.

The problem is not bouncing back, it's poor decision making, low basketball IQ for me. You cannot just jack up shots when nothing is going in and that every time, pretty much the same way. You need to adjust, this is what makes great players, great.

Again, I would love a title, but I'm somewhat worried and disappointed we have to go to game 7, maybe even 7 against a team that should be TIERS below us.

[BK_2020]

It’s always the **** coach not the **** core that has done this with 3 different head coaches and personnel. The Jays and Smart are the **** problem for our issues down the stretch. IT and a bunch of scrubs had more poise than them

True. This is a fact, it can't always be the coach, they are grown men. The coach has to get a decent scheme going, that's about it for me. with the quality we got, we should've won in 4. Not to mention we blew out the Hawks multiple times during the regular season and their team is overall awful with SERIOUS lack of defensive capabilities. This is unacceptable and I'm a bit worried.

Also, Tatum's awareness and game senses haven;t been that great in the past 2 years. Bro's jacking up shots regardless of how he shoots. He will jack up around 20-25 shots. In this particular game if Brown and White had a few more shots a piece, we would've closed it out, despite Tatum's horrid game. I still don't understand why White doesn't get at least 15-16 shots a game when he's been dominating the Hawks and scoring so well every game.

Exactly! I think he’s not really comfortable at driving inside unlike JB. He has trouble with his handles and ball control around the rim, especially with contact. Plus that constant chucking is just JT wanting to have his stats. If he’s all for winning, he should have facilitated more, and let JB, white or brog take all the shots.

Tatum drives more and gets more contact. It's been that way since 2020 or something.

[Triple7]

WRONG. Smart should not have played the last 4 minutes.

He’s right though not complete. This was on Tatum and Smart. The moment they come in, the game slowed down. Turnovers left and right, and constant chucking of 3’s and over dribbling. Brown, brogdon and white, when together inside, constantly attacked the rim and putting pressure on defense. With JT and Smart, the hawks were just waiting for us to miss that 3. It’s on them, as well as bubble gum Joe. Do we really need smart to finish games? If his D was that good, how come he couldn’t stop Trae from converting 14 straight points.

Yep and the matchups are/were so good for all 3 of them- Trae/Bogdanovic and Sadiq Bey. On paper, the Hawks shouldn't win more than 1 or 2 games against us out of 10. Trae Young to me, is not better than White and I know that he had 38 pts, but on 33 shots, White had 18 on 11 FGA.

I agree. If white is taking all the shots, he’ll get to 30pts easy. Especially, since he’s not relying on taking 3’s and attacking inside is his goal most of the time. If this team is dead serious, this should have been over in 4 or 5 at most.

[Triple7]

True. This is a fact, it can't always be the coach, they are grown men. The coach has to get a decent scheme going, that's about it for me. with the quality we got, we should've won in 4. Not to mention we blew out the Hawks multiple times during the regular season and their team is overall awful with SERIOUS lack of defensive capabilities. This is unacceptable and I'm a bit worried.

Also, Tatum's awareness and game senses haven;t been that great in the past 2 years. Bro's jacking up shots regardless of how he shoots. He will jack up around 20-25 shots. In this particular game if Brown and White had a few more shots a piece, we would've closed it out, despite Tatum's horrid game. I still don't understand why White doesn't get at least 15-16 shots a game when he's been dominating the Hawks and scoring so well every game.

Exactly! I think he’s not really comfortable at driving inside unlike JB. He has trouble with his handles and ball control around the rim, especially with contact. Plus that constant chucking is just JT wanting to have his stats. If he’s all for winning, he should have facilitated more, and let JB, white or brog take all the shots.

Tatum drives more and gets more contact. It's been that way since 2020 or something.

Nah. He drives inside but tries to avoid contact if he can, thus the constant euro stepping and floaters. It’s been like that since the bubble season. Though he made a big improvement this season compared to last.

[BK_2020]

Exactly! I think he’s not really comfortable at driving inside unlike JB. He has trouble with his handles and ball control around the rim, especially with contact. Plus that constant chucking is just JT wanting to have his stats. If he’s all for winning, he should have facilitated more, and let JB, white or brog take all the shots.

Tatum drives more and gets more contact. It's been that way since 2020 or something.

Nah. He drives inside but tries to avoid contact if he can, thus the constant euro stepping and floaters. It’s been like that since the bubble season. Though he made a big improvement this season compared to last.

Eurostep is not a move you use to avoid contact. You use it to misdirect and find an opening. If anything, it leads to contact. Think of players who eurostep a lot. For example Giannis, Harden or Embiid. I don't think you would say they want to avoid contact.

Tatum's FTr this season = .399
Jaylen's FTr this season = .249
Since becoming Boston's 2nd option Jaylen's highest FTr is .261.

Tatum has shot like 500 more free throws in his career than Jaylen has, and about 200 more in the playoffs.
Tatum's FTr in the playoffs = .360
Jaylen's FTr in the playoffs = .253

[BK_2020]

Anyway I'm trying to defend Tatum's performance last night. I'm just pointing out many of our narratives re: Tatum and Jaylen are clouded by bias and surface appearances and don't reflect reality. People think Jaylen is this hardcore warrior who's always driving inside and being physical while Tatum is a softy who's lobbing jumpers and trying to avoid contact. In reality, as borne out by data, the complete opposite is true.
Jaylen did well to attack inside last night as he should've against some of the weakest defenders in the league (Bey, some rookie I don't even know, etc.).

[Triple7]

Tatum drives more and gets more contact. It's been that way since 2020 or something.

Nah. He drives inside but tries to avoid contact if he can, thus the constant euro stepping and floaters. It’s been like that since the bubble season. Though he made a big improvement this season compared to last.

Eurostep is not a move you use to avoid contact. You use it to misdirect and find an opening. If anything, it leads to contact. Think of players who eurostep a lot. For example Giannis or Embiid. I don't think you would say they want to avoid contact.

Tatum's FTr this season = .399
Jaylen's FTr this season = .249
Since becoming Boston's 2nd option Jaylen's highest FTr is .261.

Tatum has shot like 500 more free throws in his career than Jaylen has, and about 200 more in the playoffs.

Nope nope. Euto stepping is a way to find an opening i agree, but it also avoids contact all together. Don’t compare Giannis with Embiid and JT. That dude is a freight train when attacking inside. Plus he can absorb all forms of contact, unlike JT and Embiid, who losses control when bumped. Plus embiid flops a lot to sell contact. JB on the other hand, thrives with contact. Of course JT will have more free throws. He gets majority of the shots and plays called for him.