Mama Said They Knocked Us Out! IST Loss vs IND 12/4

[zoyathedestroya]

just watched the post-game, yall dogged jb in the game thread for that 4pt play, both joe and jb said it was al's fault (tried not to say al). said he was right and al was wrong and jb did all he could to contest after being put in that position. they explained why.

JB, JT, and co. all wanted to go to Vegas. Grampa said nah, let's all go home and sleep in our beds.

[Triple7]

i got a few questions but the one I'll ask keeps being etched in my mind. why does Al always pass up the wide-open gimmie shot?? every big game we have had seems like I have an image of al passing up an easy bucket for a tougher one. it's almost as consistent as JB turning it over.

Yup he always does that. He did that in the conf finals, passing up a wide open dunk inside, to pass it to Tatum in the corner leading to his injury. With Zinger out, we need horf to be aggressive to score inside, than camping out beyond the arc.

[keevsnick1]

Struggled to score against the 28th ranked defense is impressive.

Celtics scored 112 points

Pacers give up 125 a game lol they held one team to under 112 and it was 111..just saying.

Shooting luck. If you shoot below 30% from three in a game you are unlikely to score to a lot of points.

[keevsnick1]

just watched the post-game, yall dogged jb in the game thread for that 4pt play, both joe and jb said it was al's fault (tried not to say al). said he was right and al was wrong and jb did all he could to contest after being put in that position. they explained why.

JB, JT, and co. all wanted to go to Vegas. Grampa said nah, let's all go home and sleep in our beds.

I don't really think that play was anyone's "fault." Al I guess did leave Jaylen out to dry by deserting Haliburton (one of the league's bets shooters) and forcing jaylen to contest out of position, but honestly Haliburton just made a great shot.

[Shak_Celts]

i got a few questions but the one I'll ask keeps being etched in my mind. why does Al always pass up the wide-open gimmie shot?? every big game we have had seems like I have an image of al passing up an easy bucket for a tougher one. it's almost as consistent as JB turning it over.

Too unselfish? Such a shame too. He's shooting 84.2% from close range, by far his career-high. And 50% from 3-10 feet, which isn't bad at all.

I'm honestly starting to think our entire approach to shot selection is in need of a rethink.

i don't think people give credence to how much it takes out of a player to try and go out and dunk or get inside all game. trying to make it seem easy for tatum to do that every time, then try to shade him when he has to take 3s or fadeaways.

I forget who said it on a podcast I was watching (gil or jj's), but they said lbj (or kobe) gave him the best advice ever, "pace yourself and don't try and get it all early." It seems like it's good advice because when you see JB get off to a hot start he always tails off... it's a running joke for folk. Meanwhile, people are mad at tatum for pacing himself so he can have something left the whole game.

I used to get so happy when lbj would explode early because I knew he wouldn't dominate late. heck, it still works to this day, watch LeBron get early DUNKS and have to defend and then check him in the fourth quarter missing free throws and short arming buckets. if you let him be lazy early, he's going to kill you in the second half. open 3s and little defense is a recipe for lbj to kill you in the second half.

this may not be a good theory but watch for when lbj is really good early... not just good because he's spectacular but the way he is doing it, dunking a lot and doing it all, bet he plays mediocre late.

[zoyathedestroya]

Was gonna answer Shak. Didn't listen to the PG interviews but it was a clear switch which led to the 4-point play. They were switching everything up top. And it was a good contest by JB, except for the fouling part. 0:36-0:46 in video below. Maybe he was too far back? I dunno. But it looked like a good contest to me. Just a great shot from a great player.

Watch on YouTube

[Shak_Celts]

just watched the post-game, yall dogged jb in the game thread for that 4pt play, both joe and jb said it was al's fault (tried not to say al). said he was right and al was wrong and jb did all he could to contest after being put in that position. they explained why.

JB, JT, and co. all wanted to go to Vegas. Grampa said nah, let's all go home and sleep in our beds.

I don't really think that play was anyone's "fault." Al I guess did leave Jaylen out to dry by deserting Haliburton (one of the league's bets shooters) and forcing jaylen to contest out of position, but honestly Haliburton just made a great shot.

think what you want, joe and jb said al was wrong and both said why, it was the same reason. yes, hali had to make the shot, cred for HIM being HIM, but he wasn't supposed to get that clean look.

[zoyathedestroya]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

[The Corey's]

You'll never get anywhere until you play defense.

[zoyathedestroya]

Max Strus, Aaron Nesmith, Mo Wagner. We now just need Daniel Theis and Malcolm Brogdon to have great games against the Cs and beat us to complete the Celtics 1st All-Revenge Team.

[zoyathedestroya]

This was the Celtics worst defensive performance of the season, based on defensive rating (120.8). 116.3 was our previous worst against the Knicks. Pacers offense won tonight. 74 points in the 2nd half. Just the 4th time in Mazzulla era a team scored 70+ in a half against the Cs, 2nd time by the Hali-led Pacers.

Okay, so Celtics played stellar defense in the 1st half (limited Pacers to 48 points) and the 1st 10 minutes of the 4Q (limited Pacers to 20 points). They forgot the other 14 minutes were as crucial as the other 34 lol. 3rd quarter was more due to our poor offensive execution though and careless turnovers. Celtics gave up 17 points in the last two minutes of the game. Should be some sort of record.

[Shak_Celts]

just watched the post-game, yall dogged jb in the game thread for that 4pt play, both joe and jb said it was al's fault (tried not to say al). said he was right and al was wrong and jb did all he could to contest after being put in that position. they explained why.

JB, JT, and co. all wanted to go to Vegas. Grampa said nah, let's all go home and sleep in our beds.

Everybody had some wtf moments so they agreed with him on getting home to their beds… may they sleep terribly for one night!

[Shak_Celts]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Said they were not suppose to switch. Because they already know not to when they do that half-assed screen they do.

[Shak_Celts]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Same half screen they didnt switch at other times in that video. Looking at it again how in the hell did that lil brush turn all dang near backwards? Yeah jb should have been up further too.

One more thing, who wasn’t supposed to move because al was the only one who did?

[Shak_Celts]

You'll never get anywhere until you play defense.

3s are what we give up all the time. Mia became the currys.

Matter of fact, its always a killer 3 that eats us and jb has been a part of a lot of them, they are right, ship jb out! O.G., Harden, and prob more i dont remember. Al got done by trae and harden. Maybe we need to keep jb and all away from that d pairing up top until they become theis and timelord level three blockers?

[zoyathedestroya]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Same half screen they didnt switch at other times in that video. Looking at it again how in the hell did that lil brush turn all dang near backwards? Yeah jb should have been up further too.

They were switching everything in the same sequence/possession. No way of knowing if they changed up coverage after Horford got blown by and got called for a foul. But it was clear they were switching everything after the inbounds pass (even before the inbounds pass).

He got turned around because he had to wait for JB to get closer. If he went under Hield as he ran by, Hali would've been even more open. He waited long enough even after the screen and slip (as Joe was expecting). Joe didn't have the vid with him and must have misremembered.

[Shak_Celts]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Same half screen they didnt switch at other times in that video. Looking at it again how in the hell did that lil brush turn all dang near backwards? Yeah jb should have been up further too.

They were switching everything in the same sequence/possession. No way of knowing if they changed up coverage after Horford got blown by and got called for a foul. But it was clear they were switching everything after the inbounds pass (even before the inbounds pass).

He got turned around because he had to wait for JB to get closer. If he went under Hield as he ran by, Hali would've been even more open. He waited long enough even after the screen and slip (as Joe was expecting). Joe didn't have the vid with him and must have misremembered.

Like that explanation better! Thanks!

[zoyathedestroya]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Said they were not suppose to switch. Because they already know not to when they do that half-assed screen they do.

No he didn't. He said they were supposed to wait until the screen got set.

"You have to do a really good job of staying with the ball and waiting til you get screened. If I remember that play correctly, we didn't wait until the ball (?) and gave him a little bit of a pocket and he took advantage of that pocket."

Nothing about not switching.

[Shak_Celts]

Listened to Joe's postgame interview. He implied Al should've waited until he got screened. Well, he did. If he waited longer, it would've been like doubling Hali and Hield would've been open (which Mazzulla previously said they were avoiding by not blitzing). JB was too far back (should've stayed closer to Hield in the chase), as if in a drop. But again, it was still a good contest. Great shot by Hali. Move on.

Said they were not suppose to switch. Because they already know not to when they do that half-assed screen they do.

No he didn't. He said they were supposed to wait until the screen got set.

"You have to do a really good job of staying with the ball and waiting til you get screened. If I remember that play correctly, we didn't wait until the ball (?) and gave him a little bit of a pocket and he took advantage of that pocket."

Nothing about not switching.

When you're right you’re right. I dont know what he was saying about not waiting until the ball but your explanation above this one made more sense.

[Triple7]

Our guys doesn’t play tough, physical basketball. Opposing star players get what they want against us. We are too soft, or just overall good guys. The Jays aren’t dogs man. They lack that win at all cost mentality, or at least die trying mentality. Though its very rare with this generations of stars. Jrue and White are great defenders, but lets be honest, they are too nice. That’s why we can’t stop anybody if they’re hot. No one is willing to do the dirty work. Even with Smart and Grant last year, guys like Trae, Bane, and even bey had great offenaive games against us, and we can’t do anything about it. This team needs to re evaluate their offense. 3 ball offense isn’t sustainable. If JT can’t be stopped when he tries to go inside, why not do it over and over till they stop him. Sick of watching Tatum forcing 3’s.