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Post#261 » by chrisab123 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:24 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Yossi Gozlan, who's a great cap guy for Hoopshype, was saying when Tatum's injury happened that he thinks there'll be a few teams interested in Jrue. He just didn't think we'd get much of anything for him. Front offices seem to love what he brings to the locker room as well, he mentioned a team like Charlotte could use that.

Something like Nurkic+Okogie for Jrue (I know it's jack ****, but we're off the contract).

KP he called a "neutral" asset due to being expiring.


Dallas would be interested in Jrue. They wouldn’t send him to Charlotte because it’s a **** situation. Jrue is not a lock to be moved. Brad really likes him and Tatum does too. I might have alluded to this before but my buddy does X-Ray work for the team sometimes, Ja Morants name has come up with medicals and such. Probably nothing but Stevens not being afraid of making moves and all. I mean…I don’t even know how it would work so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post#262 » by Larry_Russell » Thu May 15, 2025 2:25 pm

I persoanlly like the Dallas trade of KP and Jrue I proposed....brings in an influx of 2 way big wing players poised for breakouts.
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Post#263 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:34 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Yossi Gozlan, who's a great cap guy for Hoopshype, was saying when Tatum's injury happened that he thinks there'll be a few teams interested in Jrue. He just didn't think we'd get much of anything for him. Front offices seem to love what he brings to the locker room as well, he mentioned a team like Charlotte could use that.

Something like Nurkic+Okogie for Jrue (I know it's jack ****, but we're off the contract).

KP he called a "neutral" asset due to being expiring.


Dallas would be interested in Jrue. They wouldn’t send him to Charlotte because it’s a **** situation. Jrue is not a lock to be moved. Brad really likes him and Tatum does too. I might have alluded to this before but my buddy does X-Ray work for the team sometimes, Ja Morants name has come up with medicals and such. Probably nothing but Stevens not being afraid of making moves and all. I mean…I don’t even know how it would work so take it with a grain of salt.

Trading Jaylen for Ja would be a classic buy low/sell high situation. But it's a big risk, he doesn't seem to listen to anyone in Memphis, and he hasn't gotten better in years. I have no doubt, with Brad's history trading there, that's it's possible; but it's a big risk. Ja has had injury issues too.

It saves you a little money too; something like Jaylen/Tillman to Memphis for Ja/Konchar saves you around $8.5 mil. The real question is, does the team have the balls to not only trade Jaylen, but to trade him for Ja?
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Post#264 » by phincsfan » Thu May 15, 2025 2:35 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:I persoanlly like the Dallas trade of KP and Jrue I proposed....brings in an influx of 2 way big wing players poised for breakouts.


I don't see Dallas wanting Jrue's contract for the next 3 years.

Dallas should inquire about Sexton and Utah should look into drafting Fears to run the point.
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Post#265 » by Larry_Russell » Thu May 15, 2025 2:48 pm

phincsfan wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:I persoanlly like the Dallas trade of KP and Jrue I proposed....brings in an influx of 2 way big wing players poised for breakouts.


I don't see Dallas wanting Jrue's contract for the next 3 years.

Dallas should inquire about Sexton and Utah should look into drafting Fears to run the point.



They are a team looking to win a title asap.

The only reason I dont see them going after Jrue is if they want to get Giannis instead.
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Post#266 » by 165bows » Thu May 15, 2025 2:52 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:Yossi Gozlan, who's a great cap guy for Hoopshype, was saying when Tatum's injury happened that he thinks there'll be a few teams interested in Jrue. He just didn't think we'd get much of anything for him. Front offices seem to love what he brings to the locker room as well, he mentioned a team like Charlotte could use that.

Something like Nurkic+Okogie for Jrue (I know it's jack ****, but we're off the contract).

KP he called a "neutral" asset due to being expiring.


Dallas would be interested in Jrue. They wouldn’t send him to Charlotte because it’s a **** situation. Jrue is not a lock to be moved. Brad really likes him and Tatum does too. I might have alluded to this before but my buddy does X-Ray work for the team sometimes, Ja Morants name has come up with medicals and such. Probably nothing but Stevens not being afraid of making moves and all. I mean…I don’t even know how it would work so take it with a grain of salt.

I'd hate to see him go but if it's absolutely necessary because of the new tax rules then Jrue for Gafford makes some sense. Not sure if/what else Dallas would have to move.
Edit: plus side benefit of Jrue telling Cooper stories about playing in Boston every day for the next few years.
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Post#267 » by MSTRJMES » Thu May 15, 2025 3:53 pm

Brown to San Antonio
K. Johnson, Barnes, Champagne and #2 pick to C’s
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Post#268 » by chrisab123 » Thu May 15, 2025 3:55 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Yossi Gozlan, who's a great cap guy for Hoopshype, was saying when Tatum's injury happened that he thinks there'll be a few teams interested in Jrue. He just didn't think we'd get much of anything for him. Front offices seem to love what he brings to the locker room as well, he mentioned a team like Charlotte could use that.

Something like Nurkic+Okogie for Jrue (I know it's jack ****, but we're off the contract).

KP he called a "neutral" asset due to being expiring.


Dallas would be interested in Jrue. They wouldn’t send him to Charlotte because it’s a **** situation. Jrue is not a lock to be moved. Brad really likes him and Tatum does too. I might have alluded to this before but my buddy does X-Ray work for the team sometimes, Ja Morants name has come up with medicals and such. Probably nothing but Stevens not being afraid of making moves and all. I mean…I don’t even know how it would work so take it with a grain of salt.

Trading Jaylen for Ja would be a classic buy low/sell high situation. But it's a big risk, he doesn't seem to listen to anyone in Memphis, and he hasn't gotten better in years. I have no doubt, with Brad's history trading there, that's it's possible; but it's a big risk. Ja has had injury issues too.

It saves you a little money too; something like Jaylen/Tillman to Memphis for Ja/Konchar saves you around $8.5 mil. The real question is, does the team have the balls to not only trade Jaylen, but to trade him for Ja?


Like I said I’ve got no intel about anything other than his name was thrown around. I guess it’s normal with medical teams etc…I’d be intrigued though if somehow they could have Ja Brown and Tatum on the team. Not sure how it would be possible maybe trading KP to get under then trading Jrue Hauser and others to match the contract? Like I said I’m not sure how that’s possible.
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Post#269 » by Higgs Boston » Thu May 15, 2025 4:07 pm

Dallas, Orlando, Kings and Lakers are the most realistic options to trade Holiday.
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Post#270 » by 165bows » Thu May 15, 2025 4:29 pm

I don't love this framework but I don't hate it either due to the flexibility and pragmatic-ness (if I can use that word). And again this is based on the idea that they need to cut $.

Boston out: Jrue/KP/possibly Hauser/Tillman
Boston in: Dan Gafford and PJ Washington

Dallas out: Gafford/Washington
Dallas in: Jrue/Tillman

team 3 out: whatever
team 3 in: KP

Saves Boston $ and fills their big area of need in the front court. Other point here is that at least one if not both of these guys isn't going to be happy playing in a FA year in that crowded front court in Dallas (I think esp. Washington). So Boston lays out Brad's patented extensions for them in October and then can start Washington if Tatum's out all year, then either convert him to the next 6MOTY the following year or he becomes a really nice trade chip after they've made him look really good filling in for Tatum's sabbatical.

Downside is all of the slobbering Dallas fans on here did about both guys makes me not like this idea but it has a lot of user friendly elements to it.
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Post#271 » by chrisab123 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:31 pm

165bows wrote:I don't love this framework but I don't hate it either due to the flexibility and pragmatic-ness (if I can use that word). And again this is based on the idea that they need to cut $.

Boston out: Jrue/KP/possibly Hauser/Tillman
Boston in: Dan Gafford and PJ Washington

Dallas out: Gafford/Washington
Dallas in: Jrue/Tillman

team 3 out: whatever
team 3 in: KP

Saves Boston $ and fills their big area of need in the front court. Other point here is that at least one if not both of these guys isn't going to be happy playing in a FA year in that crowded front court in Dallas (I think esp. Washington). So Boston lays out Brad's patented extensions for them in October and then can start Washington if Tatum's out all year, then either convert him to the next 6MOTY the following year or he becomes a really nice trade chip after they've made him look really good filling in for Tatum's sabbatical.

Downside is all of the slobbering Dallas fans on here did about both guys makes me not like this idea but it has a lot of user friendly elements to it.


The other thing that might be interesting to this is between AD and Flagg this might open up the door to get Derrick Lively. He played well in the finals. Might be someone.
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Post#272 » by Larry_Russell » Thu May 15, 2025 4:58 pm

The thing that boggles my mind is, look how GOOD Kornet looked last night.


How good would an actual MOBILE and ATHLETIC center look on this roster?

Answer, INSANELY GOOD.
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Post#273 » by aim2please » Thu May 15, 2025 5:54 pm

Reading through this thread, I can't believe how little are some C's players valued by a portion of C's fans. Have you noticed how many fans of other teams would love to take White, Holiday and/or Hauser while giving up late 1st round picks or their dead wood?

Example: Trading White for two late 1st round picks and fillers to Orlando is insulting.

I believe the idea is to compete in 26/27 when 28y old Tatum is hopefully back to being close to his old self. If we agree on that, you can't just trade everyone for scraps and expect that you will magically be able to compete next summer. Goal this off-season is to set yourself up to be in a good position next summer.

Hauser and Pritchard are perfect complimentary players for any star. They are in a right group age and on a very favorable deals. Moving them to drop under 2nd apron would defeat the purpose of this exercise.

I'm far from a Jaylen fan, but unless you can trade him + picks for a better player (unlikely dream scenario you go after Giannis type), you have to keep him. You can't trade him for picks and salary filler, lets say you get a top 5 pick in this draft. Even if that kid is good in 4-5 years, next summer he will not be ready to help Tatum win. Two timelines thing doesn't work. You have to maximize your window.

Only exception to this is trading Brown for a young(er) player who is a hidden gem, impact-wise. So basically Derick White 2.0. Someone perceived as just a solid/good player, but C's project that his impact on winning is much higher than his reputation. You get him + picks, you win the trade. Finding a deal like that is a pipe-dream, so most likely scenario is keeping Brown. (Could Vassell be that player? Or is he just counting stats guy)?

So, most obvious and boring scenario is finding deals for Porzingis and/or Holiday in which you cut 15-20M in salary and get back a long-term 4th/5th starter type player that is a long-term piece, ideally on a 10-15M a year deal. Easier said than done. If you trade Zingis, maybe you have to give up 28 and/or 32 in this draft to accomplish it.

If Holiday is traded, RealGm board is gonna be shocked how much value he has around the league.

I've been looking at guys in that age/contract range, looking at their EPM/ on-off numbers. If you exclude homer trades, it's slim pickings to be fair. Some guys in that mold that could be realistically available in Holiday/Zingis trades: Stewart (Pistons), Eason (Rockets), Gafford (Mavs), Josh Green (Hornets).

Luckily for C's fans, Mike Z and Stevens are a lot smarter than me so should be fun couple of months.
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Post#274 » by Cricket23 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:05 pm

I was listening to the Front Office Report with Keith Smith and Trevor Lane and they talked about KP's and Jrue's value. They believe Jrue would fetch a neutral salary and a young player with upside. Keith Smith gave the example of Jonathan Isaac and Anthony Black as the type of deal Boston could go for. As far as KP, they view him as slightly positive since he's expiring. They believe there would be plenty of teams interested in either one.
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Post#275 » by Larry_Russell » Thu May 15, 2025 6:06 pm

Some memphis fan proposed JJJr for Tatum,,,, let them have BRown instead. lol.


Brown to Memphis
Konchar and Hayes to Lakers
Porzingis and Tillman to Portland

JJjr, Jerami Grant, Klebr and Knect to Boston

Jrue/Pritchard
White/Scheirman
Knect/Hauser
Grant/Klebr
JJJr/Kornet
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Post#276 » by bfchs123 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:13 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:The thing that boggles my mind is, look how GOOD Kornet looked last night.


How good would an actual MOBILE and ATHLETIC center look on this roster?

Answer, INSANELY GOOD.


I mean we pretty much saw what that looks like with RWIII - the SRS was pretty insane I recall

Sadly (like KP now), the guys could never be healthy when we needed him
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Post#277 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu May 15, 2025 8:07 pm

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Post#278 » by leper-con » Thu May 15, 2025 8:36 pm

The guys with the biggest values are obviously Brown, White and Pritchard. I wonder what the Spurs would give us to get white back?
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Post#279 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu May 15, 2025 10:24 pm

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/2025-nba-draft-combine-jayson-tatum-injury-cedric-coward-rise

Kristaps Porzingis, Jrue Holiday, and Sam Hauser are the three players being discussed the most among NBA personnel, as Holiday would command a significant market. Holiday will turn 35 in June, but he is a two-time champion and Olympic gold medalist. Despite being older, he is still a significant defensive asset who can help lead a team to championship heights.
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Post#280 » by snowman » Thu May 15, 2025 10:25 pm

Trade Porzingis to best deal possible.
Trade Holiday for best deal possible.

Resign Kornet to a long term, reasonable deal,
Resign Horford for another 2-year reasonable deal.

Do not except calls on White, Pritchard. Listen to options on Brown, but don't trade unless a deal too good to pass up.

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