Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[OFWGKTA]

Hibbert is a slightly better defender than Asik, and can score a couple more points per game. Also he tears apart Miami, but we have Rondo for that. Rondo is as much better than Hill as George is over Green.

[smith2373]

Are you implying that if we trade Bass for Asik we'd be on the same level as the team with the best record in the league? Or are you simply saying that lineup could become as good as them?

Either way I think it's ridiculous.

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[OFWGKTA]

Are you implying that if we trade Bass for Asik we'd be on the same level as the team with the best record in the league? Or are you simply saying that lineup could become as good as them?

Either way I think it's ridiculous.

I'm saying that the talent is there to make them comparable, its just a matter of whether or not they can achieve the same elite chemistry, which is obviously a lot easier said than done. Right now, without the elite front court defense of Asik and the great play making of Rondo, the Celtics are only a couple points on both sides of the ball away from the Pacers.

[Aneeq_sk]

This is a bad trade.. Danny will kill the chemistry of this team if he does trade anyone for this crapy player. Dont forget he is injured too. Trading healthy bass or green for injured asik! Hell no from me!

[12buckets]

Asik is good, and his strengths are definitely what we need (defense and rebounding from the center position), but his flaws are exactly what this team doesn't need (no offensive game, can't pass, can't stretch the court, and can't hit free throws), so I'd say no on him. I cringe at the thought of two players in our crunch time line up (40% of them) who I'm scared to have on the free throw line (Rondo and Asik, I was dead scared of the Deandre Jordan talk for the same reasons). I say make the trade, but go big, give away a few more assets, and get the player you really need. Marc Gasol.

There's been a few rumors of Zac Randolph being made available because the Griz wanna cut payroll. Nobodys gonna want Z-Bo at that money, through next year too, so you can probably throw another couple draft picks at Memphis, get them to take Asik (a poor mans Gasol), run more offense through Conley and Randolph, and minimally impact your defense in the process. Here's what I got:

Bass, Crawford, Clippers Pick to Houston for Asik

Boston then trades Asik, Kris Humphries, and any two other picks they want for Gasol and Jerryd Bayless.

Works on the trade checker.

Houston gets a starting power forward that can stretches floor, still grab reboubnds, and defend above average, they get depth at point guard who can score, and the pick they're demanding. unless Millsap does become available and the hawks give up a pick too, it's gonna be hard to beat that.

Memphis downgrades starting center minimally in Gasol to Asik (and really offensively only. defensively still a top player, can play the same style of defense that gasol did, no changing game plans, etc...) increases front court depth because Humphries is better than their third big right now, and only loses a backup guard in Bayless who's only thrown in to make salaries work. The offensive downgrade from Gasol to Asik can be made up by a few extra touches for Z-Bo and Conley, the better offense from the second unit (Humphries versus Davis or Koufos), and the ballooning salary Asik is due next year can be offset by the two extra draft picks who can supply them cheap talent for a few seasons.

Boston gets the 28 year old defensive center they really need to build around, but now gets the luxury of one who shoots 85% from the line, who can stretch the floor out to 10-15 feet, and still get you the 9-10 boards a game you need from the spot. He's also a very smart player who really gets a game plan, something I think is important in a Brad Stevens team headed by Rajon Rondo. Gasol's also a good passer, who averages 4-5 assists a game. in a pick and roll with Rondo?? can pass and shoot??? I also like that you keep Jeff Green too, because for all his lack of aggressiveness, he can still shoot and drive pretty well. take the indecisiveness out of it, give him the room to operate on an appropriately spread floor that a team of shooters can set for him, and I bet he thrives. The floor would not have anything close to "good spacing" with Asik clogging up the middle (this affects Rondos game too). If necessary, I'd also be willing to add Bradley to the deal (maybe to Houston, with Crawford now going to Memphis or whatever) if that's what it takes. I see the Celtics 2 guard needing to be a reliable and dangerous long range shooting threat, which I don't see Bradley becoming. If he's not part of the future, and his stock is high, it's time to cash him in. Regardless of how much I like him now.

the biggest part of this trade being possible is that Memphis bites the bullet on being forced to keep Randolph over Gasol (due to market demand) and sees Asik as a very reasonable replacement for the defense that Marc brings, especially if he comes with a couple of draft picks too and depth at two positions (frontcourt and backup pg) that a playoff team really needs. I've always liked the idea of draft picks as assets to get you real players, rather than just crossing your fingers and just hoping they turn into good players (even with Danny making the picks). Three picks is a lot, I know, but I really think that the jump from Asik to Marc Gasol is worth it.

[brackdan70]

hi all. this is my first post


Asik is one of the best defenders in the league. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IFNcYpKzg

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/15/ ... on-rockets

...but letting go of Green would be a huge mistake. I'd rather get Asik for Bass.

Thanks for sharing/ the guy really does move his feet well for a big.

[smith2373]

I say make the trade, but go big, give away a few more assets, and get the player you really need. Marc Gasol.

There's been a few rumors of Zac Randolph being made available because the Griz wanna cut payroll. Nobodys gonna want Z-Bo at that money, through next year too, so you can probably throw another couple draft picks at Memphis, get them to take Asik (a poor mans Gasol), run more offense through Conley and Randolph, and minimally impact your defense in the process. Here's what I got:

Bass, Crawford, Clippers Pick to Houston for Asik

Boston then trades Asik, Kris Humphries, and any two other picks they want for Gasol and Jerryd Bayless.

Works on the trade checker.

Houston gets a starting power forward that can stretches floor, still grab reboubnds, and defend above average, they get depth at point guard who can score, and the pick they're demanding. unless Millsap does become available and the hawks give up a pick too, it's gonna be hard to beat that.

Memphis downgrades starting center minimally in Gasol to Asik (and really offensively only. defensively still a top player, can play the same style of defense that gasol did, no changing game plans, etc...) increases front court depth because Humphries is better than their third big right now, and only loses a backup guard in Bayless who's only thrown in to make salaries work. The offensive downgrade from Gasol to Asik can be made up by a few extra touches for Z-Bo and Conley, the better offense from the second unit (Humphries versus Davis or Koufos), and the ballooning salary Asik is due next year can be offset by the two extra draft picks who can supply them cheap talent for a few seasons.

the biggest part of this trade being possible is that Memphis bites the bullet on being forced to keep Randolph over Gasol (due to market demand) and sees Asik as a very reasonable replacement for the defense that Marc brings, especially if he comes with a couple of draft picks too and depth at two positions (frontcourt and backup pg) that a playoff team really needs. I've always liked the idea of draft picks as assets to get you real players, rather than just crossing your fingers and just hoping they turn into good players (even with Danny making the picks). Three picks is a lot, I know, but I really think that the jump from Asik to Marc Gasol is worth it.

The Grizzlies are not going to trade Marc Gasol. Literally no chance. Why would they trade the reigning DPOY and one of the elite bigs in the NBA for salary relief? If it comes down to where they have to choose between Z-Bo and Marc Gasol, I'm 99.9% sure they would do everything they can to keep Marc over Randolph.

[15th overall]

I don't think Marc Gasol is available. He'd be an upgrade from Asik for sure though.

EDIT: From karl25's post:

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Welcome, Karl.

[shawn unkempt]

I think we could have a top 5 defense if we traded for him. No idea where our offense would rank, though. From what I understand, he's a decent finisher on the pick & roll.

[OFWGKTA]

I think we could have a top 5 defense if we traded for him. No idea where our offense would rank, though. From what I understand, he's a decent finisher on the pick & roll.

Celtics already have a top 5 defense when it comes to opponent points per game actually.

[shawn unkempt]

I think we could have a top 5 defense if we traded for him. No idea where our offense would rank, though. From what I understand, he's a decent finisher on the pick & roll.

Celtics already have a top 5 defense when it comes to opponent points per game actually.

Do you know where we stand on points per possession? I prefer that to PPG.

[12buckets]

it's not just salary relief. they also get asik here, who's been called a top 5 big and top 5 league defender by a number of Celtics fans in the previous 20 pages. They have a team that can handle Asiks flaws better than the Celtics can too. plus 2 draft picks, one of which in this seasons "deepest draft of all time ever" draft. the downgrade from the best defensive center to the third or fourth (to some even second, if you read back in this thread a little), with that kind of compensation doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

[OFWGKTA]

I think we could have a top 5 defense if we traded for him. No idea where our offense would rank, though. From what I understand, he's a decent finisher on the pick & roll.

Celtics already have a top 5 defense when it comes to opponent points per game actually.

Do you know where we stand on points per possession? I prefer that to PPG.

I found a list of points per 100 possessions, drops the Celtics to 9th, but still impressive.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamst ... rder/false

[smith2373]

it's not just salary relief. they also get asik here, who's been called a top 5 big and top 5 league defender by a number of Celtics fans in the previous 20 pages. They have a team that can handle Asiks flaws better than the Celtics can too. plus 2 draft picks, one of which in this seasons "deepest draft of all time ever" draft. the downgrade from the best defensive center to the third or fourth (to some even second, if you read back in this thread a little), with that kind of compensation doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

Anyone saying Asik is a top 5 big is significantly overrating him. Seriously. Asik is a role player.

Going from Marc Gasol to Asik is a pretty big downgrade. Yes there's not as big of a gap defensively, however you're neglecting the significant gap offensively between the two. Literally the only thing Asik is better than Marc at is rebounding.

Besides, there's no chance the Grizzlies trade Marc Gasol. They have no reason to. Even if they needed to cut salary, they'd trade Z-Bo, Conley, TA, anyone else on the roster, before they attempted to trade Marc.

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Gary Tanguay's on the case.

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[Celts17Pride]

FWIW

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
Hearing HOU really likes Jeff Green in an Asik trade, but unlikely. Asik could be moved by Thurs. Also Waiters to CHI or PHI? Lotta chatter.

[GreenFor3]

I think we could have a top 5 defense if we traded for him. No idea where our offense would rank, though. From what I understand, he's a decent finisher on the pick & roll.

Celtics already have a top 5 defense when it comes to opponent points per game actually.

Do you know where we stand on points per possession? I prefer that to PPG.

Still top ten I believe.

Edit: my bad someone else already answered this

[shawn unkempt]

Celtics already have a top 5 defense when it comes to opponent points per game actually.

Do you know where we stand on points per possession? I prefer that to PPG.

I found a list of points per 100 possessions, drops the Celtics to 9th, but still impressive.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamst ... rder/false

Yeah, not bad but it's closer to league average than elite. And DAMN Indiana is on a completely different level than the rest of the league.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Howard, Green, Parsons, Harden & Beverly would be very good. Gotta get a 3 back, if they're trading Green though, and make Houston take Lee too, since Houston needs a perimeter defender.