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wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:This guy wiz is either trolling or I don't know what. Everything this guy says is non sense and not factual. everything on paper.and with the eye test says smart is better it's been proven point by point. Sorry bro.
You just lied though.
truth18 wrote:Oladipo is legit just watch him play, Vuc could be really good, depends on coaching imo. Payton is a toss up, he'll likely be a solid bench player.
KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:This guy wiz is either trolling or I don't know what. Everything this guy says is non sense and not factual. everything on paper.and with the eye test says smart is better it's been proven point by point. Sorry bro.
You just lied though.
The evidence has been broadcasted! Whats there to lie about!
wizfactor94 wrote:truth18 wrote:Oladipo is legit just watch him play, Vuc could be really good, depends on coaching imo. Payton is a toss up, he'll likely be a solid bench player.
For you to say Elfrid is a solid bench player is a joke.....but if thats the case, then Marcus might be a good 7th man by your analysis.
truth18 wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:truth18 wrote:Oladipo is legit just watch him play, Vuc could be really good, depends on coaching imo. Payton is a toss up, he'll likely be a solid bench player.
For you to say Elfrid is a solid bench player is a joke.....but if thats the case, then Marcus might be a good 7th man by your analysis.
Meh, I said in the future. How do either of us really know, man? Are you dating Elfrid?
wizfactor94 wrote:
To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS
wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:
You just lied though.
The evidence has been broadcasted! Whats there to lie about!
You said point by point.......what point? DEFENSE? (even though Elfrid is a pretty good defender as well), Shooting? (even though Smart is below average on those accounts as well) , give me something else MArcus has done this year that beats Elfrid.
To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS, but my thing is the eye test says a lot, watch Elfrids highlights and you will see why he is good. Stop being in denial , and stop being a homer. I like Smart too, I hope he can start for the next 10 years, but I preferred Payton and everything I though besides smart's chucking of the 3 has come true.
If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all.
To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS
If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all
humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
shawn unkempt wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
What...? Oladipo is much better than everything than Avery on the offensive end except long range shooting. I'm starting to wonder if people on this board ever actually watch other teams.
humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
shawn unkempt wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
What...? Oladipo is much better than everything than Avery on the offensive end except long range shooting. I'm starting to wonder if people on this board ever actually watch other teams.
KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:
The evidence has been broadcasted! Whats there to lie about!
You said point by point.......what point? DEFENSE? (even though Elfrid is a pretty good defender as well), Shooting? (even though Smart is below average on those accounts as well) , give me something else MArcus has done this year that beats Elfrid.
To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS, but my thing is the eye test says a lot, watch Elfrids highlights and you will see why he is good. Stop being in denial , and stop being a homer. I like Smart too, I hope he can start for the next 10 years, but I preferred Payton and everything I though besides smart's chucking of the 3 has come true.
If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all.
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts wed all have a merry christmas. Is that how that saying goes?
Nothing youve said makes Elfrid better, if anything youre doing my job by making Smart seem better. You cant pick anything that specifically makes Payton the better player, and you dance around the issue with nonsensical garbage.
Also these two statements made me LOL, and i cant take you seriously anymore. Obvious troll is obvious.To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS
LOL what accomplishments, and isnt the whole point contributing to wins? Elfrid hasnt proven he can be a winning player if anything his brand of basketball is hurting ORL rather than helping them.If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all
Well, he does. LOLOL again. Hes a rookie and is arguably one of the best on bacll defenders, overall defenders for a guard in the league. He does the right things at the right times and doesnt make stupid mistakes too often. Payton airballs 3's.
I'm glad you arent a defense attorney because youd be BROKE SON.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
Oladipo is already a much better player than Avery Bradley as a second year pro. He may not be a #1 on a championship team, but he can easily be a #2 or #3 on a play-off team. If Danny could trade Bradley for Oladipo, he wouldn't think twice about it.
I do agree with you on Vucevic though-- he's a less efficient version of Zeller that gets more minutes and has a higher usage. I can't imagine him being worse than Zeller on defense, but they're very comparable on offense (I'd give Zeller the edge personally, as is proficient at drawing FT's).
I agree with you on Elfrid too-- he may turn into a good player, but he's just not good at offense right now. He has -0.1 offensive win shares this year-- I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic for a starting PG. Having a ball dominant PG that can't shoot just doesn't make for good offense, regardless of whatever YouTube clips anyone wants to throw out there. It's just an irrefutable fact.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
Oladipo is already a much better player than Avery Bradley as a second year pro. He may not be a #1 on a championship team, but he can easily be a #2 or #3 on a play-off team. If Danny could trade Bradley for Oladipo, he wouldn't think twice about it.
I do agree with you on Vucevic though-- he's a less efficient version of Zeller that gets more minutes and has a higher usage. I can't imagine him being worse than Zeller on defense, but they're very comparable on offense (I'd give Zeller the edge personally, as is proficient at drawing FT's).
I agree with you on Elfrid too-- he may turn into a good player, but he's just not good at offense right now. He has -0.1 offensive win shares this year-- I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic for a starting PG. Having a ball dominant PG that can't shoot just doesn't make for good offense, regardless of whatever YouTube clips anyone wants to throw out there. It's just an irrefutable fact.
wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:
You said point by point.......what point? DEFENSE? (even though Elfrid is a pretty good defender as well), Shooting? (even though Smart is below average on those accounts as well) , give me something else MArcus has done this year that beats Elfrid.
To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS, but my thing is the eye test says a lot, watch Elfrids highlights and you will see why he is good. Stop being in denial , and stop being a homer. I like Smart too, I hope he can start for the next 10 years, but I preferred Payton and everything I though besides smart's chucking of the 3 has come true.
If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all.
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts wed all have a merry christmas. Is that how that saying goes?
Nothing youve said makes Elfrid better, if anything youre doing my job by making Smart seem better. You cant pick anything that specifically makes Payton the better player, and you dance around the issue with nonsensical garbage.
Also these two statements made me LOL, and i cant take you seriously anymore. Obvious troll is obvious.To me , I can easily bring up accomplishments , while you can bring up WINS
LOL what accomplishments, and isnt the whole point contributing to wins? Elfrid hasnt proven he can be a winning player if anything his brand of basketball is hurting ORL rather than helping them.If Marcus Smart did not have any defense, we would not even be talking about him at all
Well, he does. LOLOL again. Hes a rookie and is arguably one of the best on bacll defenders, overall defenders for a guard in the league. He does the right things at the right times and doesnt make stupid mistakes too often. Payton airballs 3's.
I'm glad you arent a defense attorney because youd be BROKE SON.
I have come up with the conclusion that you know nothing about basketball...your just a casual fan.
If you cant see the differences with Payton and Marcus than you cant talk basketball.
truth18 wrote:shawn unkempt wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
What...? Oladipo is much better than everything than Avery on the offensive end except long range shooting. I'm starting to wonder if people on this board ever actually watch other teams.
Me too. Payton is one thing. Oladipo is legit in every way including fitness. Have to assume humble hasn't watched him play much because he knows better
KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts wed all have a merry christmas. Is that how that saying goes?
Nothing youve said makes Elfrid better, if anything youre doing my job by making Smart seem better. You cant pick anything that specifically makes Payton the better player, and you dance around the issue with nonsensical garbage.
Also these two statements made me LOL, and i cant take you seriously anymore. Obvious troll is obvious.
LOL what accomplishments, and isnt the whole point contributing to wins? Elfrid hasnt proven he can be a winning player if anything his brand of basketball is hurting ORL rather than helping them.
Well, he does. LOLOL again. Hes a rookie and is arguably one of the best on bacll defenders, overall defenders for a guard in the league. He does the right things at the right times and doesnt make stupid mistakes too often. Payton airballs 3's.
Your a casual fan because you bring up dumb things like Payton airballs 3's........which doesnt really add to the comparison. Smart airballed two shots vs Toronto just a couple nights ago.
He also got cookie'd up by Tyler hansborough! lol
Your not going to do any fair comparison , its just not in your narrative. Your going to defend Smart with every thing you got.
I'm glad you arent a defense attorney because youd be BROKE SON.
I have come up with the conclusion that you know nothing about basketball...your just a casual fan.
If you cant see the differences with Payton and Marcus than you cant talk basketball.
Because I DONT AGREE with you now im a casual fan?
If you honestly cant read stats and measure these players worth based on what theyve been proven to bring to their teams than YOU know nothing and therefor shouldn't talk basketball.
wizfactor94 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:humblebum wrote:Oladipo is Avery Bradley level, I mean, I love me some Avery Bradley but people talk about Dipo like he has #1 or #2 guy potential and he's just a role player. Vuc is so overrated. Someone has to score and rebound on that crap team. He's a bit better than Zeller overall but nothing special.
I really don't see it with that Orlando roster. Payton is pretty good but you have to give him the ball all game or it's the same story it is with all non shooters at PG. Everyone else gets double teamed while he puts up his points and assists.
Color me unimpressed with the direction of that franchise.
Oladipo is already a much better player than Avery Bradley as a second year pro. He may not be a #1 on a championship team, but he can easily be a #2 or #3 on a play-off team. If Danny could trade Bradley for Oladipo, he wouldn't think twice about it.
I do agree with you on Vucevic though-- he's a less efficient version of Zeller that gets more minutes and has a higher usage. I can't imagine him being worse than Zeller on defense, but they're very comparable on offense (I'd give Zeller the edge personally, as is proficient at drawing FT's).
I agree with you on Elfrid too-- he may turn into a good player, but he's just not good at offense right now. He has -0.1 offensive win shares this year-- I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic for a starting PG. Having a ball dominant PG that can't shoot just doesn't make for good offense, regardless of whatever YouTube clips anyone wants to throw out there. It's just an irrefutable fact.
The youtube clips are shown to display talent level, not winning games, Orlando isnt going to win games with the coaching and the young players they have
I bet if you put Elfrid on the Celtics they would have won just as many if not more games. As he is a pure point guard.
KGboss wrote:wizfactor94 wrote:KGboss wrote:
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts wed all have a merry christmas. Is that how that saying goes?
Nothing youve said makes Elfrid better, if anything youre doing my job by making Smart seem better. You cant pick anything that specifically makes Payton the better player, and you dance around the issue with nonsensical garbage.
Also these two statements made me LOL, and i cant take you seriously anymore. Obvious troll is obvious.
LOL what accomplishments, and isnt the whole point contributing to wins? Elfrid hasnt proven he can be a winning player if anything his brand of basketball is hurting ORL rather than helping them.
Well, he does. LOLOL again. Hes a rookie and is arguably one of the best on bacll defenders, overall defenders for a guard in the league. He does the right things at the right times and doesnt make stupid mistakes too often. Payton airballs 3's.
I'm glad you arent a defense attorney because youd be BROKE SON.
I have come up with the conclusion that you know nothing about basketball...your just a casual fan.
If you cant see the differences with Payton and Marcus than you cant talk basketball.
Because I DONT AGREE with you now im a casual fan?
If you honestly cant read stats and measure these players worth based on what theyve been proven to bring to their teams than YOU know nothing and therefor shouldn't talk basketball.