Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

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Wake up and no new news about how Boston is building a Death Star and how Ainge is trying to take over the world?

Come on Rich Paul. Do better.

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If the C's won it all this year do they still go for AD?

[Valid]

If the C's won it all this year do they still go for AD?

Yes, but they would be much more willing to walk away from the table if the Pelicans ask for too much.

[K For Three]

If the C's won it all this year do they still go for AD?

Yes, but they would be much more willing to walk away from the table if the Pelicans ask for too much.

Agree, because in the end you can't pay and keep everyone long term on this current team anyway. And they all know this regardless of all the rumors.

[thelarrybirdx]

No, I literally think it works regardless of where that pick comes in. We are not offering Tatum for an AD rental if Kyrie is not here. Knicks would have the best offer by default.

Ok here's the scenario, if KD announces he's resigning with the warriors before July 1st, Pels accept the trade offer by the Celtics, do you really think Kyrie would still sign with the knicks? I give him zero chance to do that.

It could very well come down to a game of chicken between the Celtics and Kyrie. Pretend KD to the Knicks is a given, and the Knicks do not get the #1 pick. We go to Kyrie and tell him we have a deal in place for AD featured around Tatum. Kyrie says, "That's cool, I'm signing with the Knicks."

Who blinks?

If we decide it is too much risk and pull Tatum out of the offer, the Knicks likely get him. If we keep Tatum in the deal and consummate it, what does Kyrie do? Join the Knicks with KD and a top 5 pick, or stay in Boston with AD?

This is high stakes poker we are talking about.

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Ainge should still trade everyone for AD. Worth the gamble.

[thelarrybirdx]

Still a pretty high chance IMO this team makes it to the the finals, at least ECFs. No matter what anyone says, they will put the crap aside to win games in the end as professionals.

Oh, we are definitely going to the finals.

And even Kyrie tried to stress a million times yesterday the goal this season is still to try to win a championship in Boston. People don't quote that, but thats still the goal of this team.
And we are slowly climbing back up in standings.

What else would he say? He wants to lose in the ECF? Lol

[CeltsFlow]

I think I'm growing numb to all the propaganda the media's spewing

[Captain_Caveman]

Highly, highly doubt that Kyrie says "nah I'm out" if we explicitly tell him we have a deal in place for Davis.

Maybe, but are you hearing the part where he can potentially steer AD from Boston to NY in doing so?

Might not even be an idle threat if he wants to go play with KD, plus the top 5 pick/Knox or whatever third star they can get by trading those guys.

For a guy who dislikes Jaylen Browns game so much, I have no idea what you see in Knox. He’s a worse Jaylen Brown in every facet of basketball

What are you on about? Knox and Jaylen are both side dishes. Tatum and the Knicks pick are the entrees. My point, clearly stated, was that it would be difficult for us to include Tatum if Kyrie tells us he is leaving.

[GoCeltics123]

Chris Mannix on Kyrie Irving: “They talk to him all the time. And as recently as Thursday, I was told that this week they talked to Kyrie and they still feel very comfortable that he wants to be in Boston and that this is where he’s going to be long-term.”

http://podbay.fm/show/1225356682/e/1549052043?autostart=1

Yah but Mannix is always wrong so now I’m even more unsettled.

I mean he was the first to say Kyrie to NY is a possibility to be fair.

[Captain_Caveman]

Highly, highly doubt that Kyrie says "nah I'm out" if we explicitly tell him we have a deal in place for Davis.

Maybe, but are you hearing the part where he can potentially steer AD from Boston to NY in doing so?

Might not even be an idle threat if he wants to go play with KD, plus the top 5 pick/Knox or whatever third star they can get by trading those guys.

Sure, but if it comes down to playing with AD on a first-class organization like Boston or a dumpster fire franchise like the Knicks, I would think Kyrie would pick the Celtics, especially considering he is already here.

One would hope.

[Captain_Caveman]

I just had a terrible thought. Kyrie can basically force an AD to NY trade by telling Ainge that he is not resigning with us.

Sigh.

I fear this may be coming next, to be honest. The plus side would be getting something back for Kyrie as opposed to a **** sandwich if he left as a FA.

What would they give up? I guess their #1 pick? And give Pels a big trade exception? Not bad, I guess.

Amazing for AD Sr. to criticize us for trading IT to LeBron's team while AD Jr. demands a trade to LeBron's team.

I think Kyrie hinges on AD and vice versa. In a way we're lucky we can't trade for AD until Kyrie's made a decision. Seems like we can really get our ducks in a row - resign Kyrie, trade for AD, lose Rozier/Tatum/Brown/picks; lose Kyrie, keep Rozier / Tatum/Brown/ picks.

Would still be a summer trade. Pelicans risk destroying the value of the Knicks pick if they send AD there during the season.

[GoCeltics123]

Wake up and no new news about how Boston is building a Death Star and how Ainge is trying to take over the world?

Come on Rich Paul. Do better.

I've got a few lines next:

"The Celtics are so incompetent that they traded for Ricky Davis just so they can have a guy in the Dunk Contest"

"The Celtics treated Antoine Walker poorly so AD doesn't want to go there'

"The Celtics had Rick Pitino as coach once, AD hates Rick Pitino since he was the coach of his main rival while he was a Kentucky Wildcat, he doesn't want to come to Boston"

[nickgammon]

The entire country is racist— LA is no different than Boston, which is no different than Philladelphia, Toronto, New York or Chicago. Unfortunately the disease has impacted the country through and through, though I’m optimistic that its being acknowledged and people are working to fix it.

Boston is the punching bag of the east coast due to the busing crisis in the 70s. Apparently racism didnt happen anywhere else during that time. But yeah that stuff will be out there before the deadline. Rich Paul is pulling out all the stops. Then you get LeBron trying to pressure New Orleans to take Lonzo Kuzma and a pu pu platter of scrubs. Its actually quite interesting how the media is playing this for LeBron. I guess this is what happens when LeBron doesn't get his help.

All that being said Boston has been ripped for the last couple days since they have the best package for AD. At this point Ainge is probably going all in on him. Even though i think theres a real risk he pulls a Kawhi from last year and has a "quad injury" which causes him to miss 70 games or so unless he goes to LA.

Oh yeah and the KCP stuff is pretty alarming

Boston’s a punching bag because others are in denial about themselves. To the credit of the city, people are acknowledging our ugly past and are working to make a better future. Here are a bunch of stories about racist Philadelphia/Pennsylvania from the last year:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/starbucks-arrests-ceo-apology-philadelphia-protests-kevin-johnson-20180416.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/24/white-golf-course-owners-said-five-african-american-women-were-playing-too-slow-then-they-called-the-police/?utm_term=.8d5c2233c4d2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/youth-hockeys-racist-taunts-arent-limited-to-one-team-one-rink-or-even-one-race/2019/01/10/b2278d34-14f1-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.b47fad280dc7

This **** happens everywhere. Its a massive problem, and pointing at Boston/Massachusetts and acting like were somehow different than any other place in the country makes it worse— denial is just delaying a remedy for the problem.

Believe me, I’m aware that racism happens EVERYWHERE. I’m just saying Boston is under the microscope. I’ve heard crazy racist **** going to Tampa Bay Bucs games and especially college games at UF. I remember not too long ago, somebody in LA spray painted the n-word on LeBron’s property. Don’t think that’s ever happened to a Celtics player in Boston in my lifetime, but hey who knows.

What I would say is this: if you’re constantly under the microscope, you need to hold yourself and fellow fans to a higher standard than the rest of the country. And while Boston isn’t the most hostile fan base in terms of using racial slurs (like the media portrays it to be), it’s not like that’s completely a myth either. Boston.com posted an article where they said 54% of black people find the city unwelcoming. I’m gonna leave it here because this topic isn’t about race relations in New England vs. Southern California, it’s about AD. Just worth bringing up that regardless of what other cities and fan bases do and say, we need to focus on our own culture which has improved but still has room for improvement. Things have progressed, but not as much as they should have.

[CeltsFlow]

So to recap:

- AD requests trade through Rich Paul
- Rumor comes out saying Kyrie may go to Lakers to give them momentum
- Dell Demps wasn't initially listening to the Lakers' offers
- Also mentions Klay to Lakers as possibility
- Kyrie is pissed at the media for how they dragged him through the mud
- AD's dad says his son shouldn't go to Boston bc of how we treated IT
- Lakers lowball Pelicans on initial offer

Looks like the deck's stacked against us here, but we ought be able to make things work

[mbsnmisc]

man, Friday can't come fast enough. AD will still be a pel, and the angst and panic will die down for at least a few months.

it would only genuinely start again for me if the knicks land the #1. then AD is theirs for the taking, and there's a good chance we'd be screwed.

Would you trade 7 (controlled and under market price) years of Zion for 1 (assured) year of Davis?

Davis is great, but 7 years of what looks like a transcendent talent is a valuable asset.

[Bill Lumbergh]

That sounds depressing. I trust no one more than Kyrie in a clutch game. I think hes staying.

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Kyrie could also stay even if we don't get AD. It could be enough if we make a good run this season with all the guys I mentioned looking good going forward. But let's face it, it's unrealistic. At this point it looks like the only chance to keep Kyrie is if we get AD. Or if somehow KD decides to stay in GS and Kyrie doesn't want to go to NY by himself.

His most recent comments were that the plan from the preseason is still in effect and Boston is still his front runner.

Maybe he regrets commiting so early...but, he said flat out the plan is still the plan and Boston is head of the race. While.being pissed his name is dragged in.

Everything else is out of context. Way more stuff suggesting he stays imo

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You keep repeating this as though he just reaffirmed that "My plan is to resign in Boston, if you'll have me," as if he didn't completely backtrack on that. What he is saying now about the plan now being the same as before is not "My plan is to resign in Boston." Now he is referring to "setting a goal and go after it and then see what happens at the end of the season." Not even remotely the same. I think you're completely misinterpreting what he means by "That was the plan before and that’s still the plan now." As to him saying "Boston is still at the head of that race," most free agents give that sort of lip service to the team that they are presently on.

Here's the exact quote.

“That’s what excited me a lot about the beginning of the season was the opportunity to come into this season really just doing what we planned on doing, set a goal and go after it and then see what happens at the end of the season. That was the plan before and that’s still the plan now. Obviously Boston is still at the head of that race. That’s just where it stands.”

[jfs1000d]

Here is what happened.

AD asks for trade.
Media reports Celtics have the assets but have to wait to summer
Lakers know they don’t have the assets and are now working to thwart Celtics offer
AD camp, told by Lakers, to really poison Boston as a place or that is where he will end up.

Hence. Rich Paul has a PR campaign and uses his media sources.

It is bully ball.


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[Bar Fight]

Here is what happened.

AD asks for trade.
Media reports Celtics have the assets but have to wait to summer
Lakers know they don’t have the assets and are now working to thwart Celtics offer
AD camp, told by Lakers, to really poison Boston as a place or that is where he will end up.

Hence. Rich Paul has a PR campaign and uses his media sources.

It is bully ball.


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God I can't wait until they don't get AD by the deadline.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

So to be clear, we as celtics fans are taking the position that both his father and agent haven't discussed with Davis his lack of desire to be in Boston and that both those guys are steering him towards the lakers without his approval and input?

That we shouldn't take the word or people who are obviously his mouth piece when he isnt allowee to say anything cause hell get fined?

Theres a huge difference between not wanting to come here and preferring the lakers.

Its kind of upsetting to see so many of you actually to be that niave to not believe that Davis is the architect of the media blitz about his own desires while he sits idly by not denying them. Come on guys, you're better than that.

And were gonn sell our entire asset collection for that guy? Pass.

You don't seem to recognize that if AD prefers LA, the only/best way to get to LA this week is to spread the word that he won't go anywhere else, hoping that Demps is foolish enough to swallow that propaganda and panic.

It appears that Demps is smart enough not to--and to realize that Ainge isn't buying it either.

So you're saying that Davis will re-sign with any club hes traded to and none of what hes saying has any value outside of pushing that destination to LA first?

No, I’m not saying that.

I’m saying if he gets traded to Boston, Kyrie and Davis are very likely to realize they CANNOT POSSIBLY FIND A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO WIN A TITLE ANYWHERE ELSE.

There’s no guarantee of anything. Especially not that Davis will hate the idea of playing for Brad and with Kyrie, Al and whoever else we keep.

[Bar Fight]

The second AD gets traded to Boston, we need to bring in KG to have a talk with him about the organization