Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

[Edug27]

And I'd strongly have to disagree with both of you. I feel Rozier has much more room to grow as a player than Smart does.

If Rozier is resigned, he will be with expectations that he's the starting PG next season.

This part is definitely where we do agree. I don't think you can bring Rozier back unless you tell him that he is the starter. In my mind though he doesn't fit with Brown and Tatum. It'll be the Terry Rozier show out there if he comes back next to those two. And Smart did nothing last year to deserve a benching.

So I guess I'm changing my mind here on this point. It may not go over well with Terry but Danny doesn't have to promise him a damn thing. If it's about not losing the asset, Danny could match an offer in a good salary slot or make one up if Terry doesn't get an offer from anyone. Honestly they could make it an open competition again if they choose and then make a trade later. Either way, I just think they value what Smart brings on so many levels he will always win out over Terry if/when it comes down to a choice.

Time will tell. I can’t see that happening though. Just like when Kyrie went down last season, it was Terry who stepped in and balled out. Smart does bring certain things to the table that I’m sure Boston values... but not as a starting PG...

[bucknersrevenge]

This part is definitely where we do agree. I don't think you can bring Rozier back unless you tell him that he is the starter. In my mind though he doesn't fit with Brown and Tatum. It'll be the Terry Rozier show out there if he comes back next to those two. And Smart did nothing last year to deserve a benching.

So I guess I'm changing my mind here on this point. It may not go over well with Terry but Danny doesn't have to promise him a damn thing. If it's about not losing the asset, Danny could match an offer in a good salary slot or make one up if Terry doesn't get an offer from anyone. Honestly they could make it an open competition again if they choose and then make a trade later. Either way, I just think they value what Smart brings on so many levels he will always win out over Terry if/when it comes down to a choice.

Time will tell. I can’t see that happening though. Just like when Kyrie went down last season, it was Terry who stepped in and balled out. Smart does bring certain things to the table that I’m sure Boston values... but not as a starting PG...

Like you said we'll find out soon enough. That said, now I think Danny would be a fool to promise Terry anything because he doesn't have to. Terry has no leverage. If he ends up playing better, he plays better but his resigning shouldn't signal anything else. He was the only player on the team last year with a negative plus/minus rating. He was bad at basketball last year.

[Curmudgeon]

Rozier will have to be resigned before he can be traded.

Generally speaking, now that Uncle Drew is leaving and Ainge couldn't get AD for a reasonable price, the Celtics will have to build a championship team the way Golden State did: draft and develop.

[bucknersrevenge]

Rozier will have to be resigned before he can be traded.

Generally speaking, now that Uncle Drew is leaving and Ainge couldn't get AD for a reasonable price, the Celtics will have to build a championship team the way Golden State did: draft and develop.

I think you're gonna see that. Despite reports that they don't want 3 rookies on their roster, I think they make and keep all 3 picks. Someone is going down to the G-League. I think we're gonna see a young team more befitting on Stevens' wheelhouse.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Edug27]

So I guess I'm changing my mind here on this point. It may not go over well with Terry but Danny doesn't have to promise him a damn thing. If it's about not losing the asset, Danny could match an offer in a good salary slot or make one up if Terry doesn't get an offer from anyone. Honestly they could make it an open competition again if they choose and then make a trade later. Either way, I just think they value what Smart brings on so many levels he will always win out over Terry if/when it comes down to a choice.

Time will tell. I can’t see that happening though. Just like when Kyrie went down last season, it was Terry who stepped in and balled out. Smart does bring certain things to the table that I’m sure Boston values... but not as a starting PG...

Like you said we'll find out soon enough. That said, now I think Danny would be a fool to promise Terry anything because he doesn't have to. Terry has no leverage. If he ends up playing better, he plays better but his resigning shouldn't signal anything else. He was the only player on the team last year with a negative plus/minus rating. He was bad at basketball last year.

I don't think he'll promise anything. I just think it's common knowledge that Rozier is better suited for the starting PG role.. and will be resigned with intentions of making him that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hayward wasn't better later in the year. He was lousy in the playoffs. If I could trade Hayward to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson, I'd do it in a second. I would then renounce the trade exception and go after Kemba.

He was much better late in the year. Everyone sucked in the playoffs against Milwaukee. Irving never gave the rest of the roster a chance.

Car couldn’t play the game in November. He was at least good in March and April.

His body is the issue. I think he can get that explosiveness and strength back.


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Certainly Kyrie's departure will help him, just as it will help everyone else. But Kemba and Mitchell Robinson could help them too.
The chance that Hayward will be traded is small, and if he stays I'm rooting for him. But if I could move him and unload that salary to an under-the-cap team, I would.

I bet you could get CP3 for Hayward. Any takers on that? I say no because CP3's deal is outrageous. But Ainge has always loved the guy.

Am all for it. Despite al the reports about his decline, CP3 had an awesome year per most advanced stats. Im less worried about his decline than I am about Hayward’s recovery.

[bucknersrevenge]

Time will tell. I can’t see that happening though. Just like when Kyrie went down last season, it was Terry who stepped in and balled out. Smart does bring certain things to the table that I’m sure Boston values... but not as a starting PG...

Like you said we'll find out soon enough. That said, now I think Danny would be a fool to promise Terry anything because he doesn't have to. Terry has no leverage. If he ends up playing better, he plays better but his resigning shouldn't signal anything else. He was the only player on the team last year with a negative plus/minus rating. He was bad at basketball last year.

I don't think he'll promise anything. I just think it's common knowledge that Rozier is better suited for the starting PG role.. and will be resigned with intentions of making him that.

Not sure why it would be common knowledge. Terry is a lot like Kyrie. He does a lot of the things Kyrie does. He's just a s**tload worse at doing them. All the problems people blames Kyrie for will be revisited with Terry if he remains the starter for long periods of time.

[RajonsGotARondo]

Moving company at kyries house in weston,Ma moving all his stuff to NY

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Moving company at kyries house in weston,Ma moving all his stuff to NY

Still trying to figure out how the nets situation will be different than what he had here.

Well for this year anyway until he plays with KD.

[RajonsGotARondo]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

[MagicBagley18]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

absolutely brad thrives in that style of team...and yes we can win 45-50 games but in terms of beating the top teams in the league we aren't going to be able to beat top end talent. in many ways it very similar to the IT teams. we can play smart physical hard nosed ball but then when we make it to the elite teams we will get smacked.

whether its in the ECF or finals.

[Darth Celtic]

Moving company at kyries house in weston,Ma moving all his stuff to NY

Still trying to figure out how the nets situation will be different than what he had here.

Well for this year anyway until he plays with KD.

I just wonder how it's not tampering.

he wants the nets and knows the nets want him, and signed with Roc Nation who's brother is in management with the nets and knows that they would sign him enough to move to NY 2 weeks before free agency.

Too bad the NBA doesn't care about it.

[RajonsGotARondo]

Not for nothing but doesnt this team strive off the “underdog” mentality? We do need to add some pieces but i think the motivation will be there to prove everyone wrong

absolutely brad thrives in that style of team...and yes we can win 45-50 games but in terms of beating the top teams in the league we aren't going to be able to beat top end talent. in many ways it very similar to the IT teams. we can play smart physical hard nosed ball but then when we make it to the elite teams we will get smacked.

whether its in the ECF or finals.

I mean what teams are considered top teams right now? Bucks need middleton lopez brogdon back ( don't have money for all 3 ). Leonard is 50/50 IMO with the raptors. 76ers may lose butler and Harris. I understand kyrie is who he is but i don't think he fit brads system. With the uncertainty of so many top FA the east could very well be wide open.

[watsonthedragon]

I know this has been discussed countless times, but is a S&T for Dlo impossible, or just very unlikely? Dlo-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Al I think could actually make a deep run AND is a young core to build on.

[Darth Celtic]

I know this has been discussed countless times, but is a S&T for Dlo impossible, or just very unlikely? Dlo-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Al I think could actually make a deep run AND is a young core to build on.

One of the Mods, not sure which, said it was possible but not easy and unlikely. Probably best case right now for us, but I don't see it happening.

[watsonthedragon]

[Charania] Davis had no interest in playing a single game for Boston……Still, the Celtics engaged with New Orleans over the course of the past week. They were open to discussing Jayson Tatum and the future Memphis first-round pick but not in the same offer, sources said.

[chrisab123]

Moving company at kyries house in weston,Ma moving all his stuff to NY

Still trying to figure out how the nets situation will be different than what he had here.

Well for this year anyway until he plays with KD.

I just wonder how it's not tampering.

he wants the nets and knows the nets want him, and signed with Roc Nation who's brother is in management with the nets and knows that they would sign him enough to move to NY 2 weeks before free agency.

Too bad the NBA doesn't care about it.

Exactly. Both NY teams and the Lakers tampered with him throughout the season. But unless its out in the open like Magic did with PG then the league will look the other way especially when its a market like NY or LA. Ainge really has nothing to lose by pushing tampering.

[chrisab123]

[Charania] Davis had no interest in playing a single game for Boston……Still, the Celtics engaged with New Orleans over the course of the past week. They were open to discussing Jayson Tatum and the future Memphis first-round pick but not in the same offer, sources said.

So....theres a chance he would have sat out the season? Funny. What happened to Rich Paul saying that he would honor his contract?

[RajonsGotARondo]

One guy I would love to get is patrick beverly. Idk numbers wise if it could work, but id love him on this team