Romeo Langford Thread

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I think they really wanted Herro and settled for Langford.i don’t think he will play much this year . He’s going to miss summer league and will be behind heading into training camp

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The Celtics have added Jon Elmore to their Summer League roster. I previously posted some links about him, and here are a few of more:

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I really like this kid. He has great skills, and a fierce commitment. While his athleticism may not be top tier, his work ethic, and basketball savvy are. Would like to see him in Celtics green, but given our glut of good young PG prospects, that might be an unlikely outcome. You never know, though...

Could you imagine Brown with his skill?

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Right there with you!

Why would they take that low ball offer?

Agreed. The pacers just traded/signed their core rotation to free up a starting spot for Sabonis.

Brogdon, Lamb, Warren, Sabonis, Turner is a pretty solid lineup until Oladipo gets back and then Lamb becomes your sixth man.

I dont think Sabonis has lot of upside but have loved his game from the first time I saw him in College. I was hoping Danny would trade up and get him.

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The Celtics have added Jon Elmore to their Summer League roster. I previously posted some links about him, and here are a few of more:

Watch on YouTube

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I really like this kid. He has great skills, and a fierce commitment. While his athleticism may not be top tier, his work ethic, and basketball savvy are. Would like to see him in Celtics green, but given our glut of good young PG prospects, that might be an unlikely outcome. You never know, though...

Could you imagine Brown with his skill?

I'm trying to imagine Romeo Langford with his focus.

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He accomplished little in college, is too hurt to play in Summer League, and starts at the bottom of a long depth chart. I'm not expecting any significant contribution his rookie year.

There's probably more chance of an early contribution from Carsen Edwards, who was better than Langford last season and is healthier than Langford this summer.

And has virtually no competition for Rozier's minutes. Carsen Edwards could not have come to a better situation. If his 3 point touch doesn't abandon him with the extra distance of the NBA line, he could be an All-Rookie guy.

I like Langford better, but this is a tough situation for Langford to step into as a rook. Needs a trade to free up any kind of minutes for him.

I'd say the many natural SFs are collectively in the competition for Rozier's minutes. Injuries aside, there's no natural endowment of PG minutes beyond the >48 that Walker and Smart will combine to get.

I think Brad will probably keep Smart at 2 guard. His shot selection gonna tank if we make him 2nd unit commander.

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Right there with you!

Why would they take that low ball offer?

Agreed. The pacers just traded/signed their core rotation to free up a starting spot for Sabonis.

Brogdon, Lamb, Warren, Sabonis, Turner is a pretty solid lineup until Oladipo gets back and then Lamb becomes your sixth man.

I like Indy. Brodgon can play for the Celtics anytime he wants.


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What I dont like about Langford is that I have absolutely zero idea if he will be able to help this team this season. No clue whatsoever if he is a future star or the next James Young. I cant tell with this kid at all.

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Seems better athlete than James Young. Also, Young was a shooter who couldn’t shoot. Langford a slasher and scorer. He looks like he can create and score.


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What I dont like about Langford is that I have absolutely zero idea if he will be able to help this team this season. No clue whatsoever if he is a future star or the next James Young. I cant tell with this kid at all.

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He accomplished little in college, is too hurt to play in Summer League, and starts at the bottom of a long depth chart. I'm not expecting any significant contribution his rookie year.

There's probably more chance of an early contribution from Carsen Edwards, who was better than Langford last season and is healthier than Langford this summer.

And has virtually no competition for Rozier's minutes. Carsen Edwards could not have come to a better situation. If his 3 point touch doesn't abandon him with the extra distance of the NBA line, he could be an All-Rookie guy.

I like Langford better, but this is a tough situation for Langford to step into as a rook. Needs a trade to free up any kind of minutes for him.

Celts backup PG minutes competition between Wanamaker/edwards/waters.

I like a Smart/Edwards backcourt off the bench.


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And has virtually no competition for Rozier's minutes. Carsen Edwards could not have come to a better situation. If his 3 point touch doesn't abandon him with the extra distance of the NBA line, he could be an All-Rookie guy.

I like Langford better, but this is a tough situation for Langford to step into as a rook. Needs a trade to free up any kind of minutes for him.

I'd say the many natural SFs are collectively in the competition for Rozier's minutes. Injuries aside, there's no natural endowment of PG minutes beyond the >48 that Walker and Smart will combine to get.

I think Brad will probably keep Smart at 2 guard. His shot selection gonna tank if we make him 2nd unit commander.

Obviously, Smart will get plenty of minutes next to Walker. But otherwise -- and in some cases even when does play with Walker -- I see PG as his natural offensive position. Smart is a good and smart passer, but as you point out, he's not always so successful when he shoot.

[Dogen]

Langford has "bust" written all over him. I wish they would trade his rights to the Pacers before that becomes obvious.

Ugh, let’s take it easy with that label until we see him in “2020” vision. I couldn’t believe after years of seeing my pick get taken one or two spots before C’s, that Sekou had slipped and was there for the taking! And Yet Danny passed.

So if both Herro and Doumbouya become players and Langford busts, it will be doubly hard. The player that got snatched before us and the player we passed on.

For Langford, I have ho idea. Looks fairly pedestrian in some ways. Has nice length and good step back shot. My guess is he’ll be better than James Young, but he’ll need to be a lot better to be worth keeping.

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I'd say the many natural SFs are collectively in the competition for Rozier's minutes. Injuries aside, there's no natural endowment of PG minutes beyond the >48 that Walker and Smart will combine to get.

I think Brad will probably keep Smart at 2 guard. His shot selection gonna tank if we make him 2nd unit commander.

Obviously, Smart will get plenty of minutes next to Walker. But otherwise -- and in some cases even when does play with Walker -- I see PG as his natural offensive position. Smart is a good and smart passer, but as you point out, he's not always so successful when he shoot.

The problem is that Smart as the sole lead guard on the floor is bad Smart offensively. He doesn't slash effectively as the primary point of attack and so he jacks 3s to try and maintain offensive gravity. He's vastly more effective when he can play off of someone like Kyrie/Kemba and be more selective both as a shooter and a playmaker.

I think long-term he can work fairly well at PG if we go with something like a Langford/Hayward duo (age-wise that doesn't quite work, just talking skillsets). Two high volume wing attackers who can play pick and roll. Smart then could play more of a pure set-up role, bringing the ball up and getting it to the wing and then working off of them.

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I'd say the many natural SFs are collectively in the competition for Rozier's minutes. Injuries aside, there's no natural endowment of PG minutes beyond the >48 that Walker and Smart will combine to get.

I think Brad will probably keep Smart at 2 guard. His shot selection gonna tank if we make him 2nd unit commander.

Obviously, Smart will get plenty of minutes next to Walker. But otherwise -- and in some cases even when does play with Walker -- I see PG as his natural offensive position. Smart is a good and smart passer, but as you point out, he's not always so successful when he shoot.

Or guarding fast point guards.

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Why would they take that low ball offer?

Agreed. The pacers just traded/signed their core rotation to free up a starting spot for Sabonis.

Brogdon, Lamb, Warren, Sabonis, Turner is a pretty solid lineup until Oladipo gets back and then Lamb becomes your sixth man.

I like Indy. Brodgon can play for the Celtics anytime he wants.


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I like Brodgon. I was hoping he would land here. He does miss lot of games?

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Romeo likes those Beal comparisons.

To go really old school, how about Rolando Blackman?

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So his quote about why he signs all autographs is word-for-word from his father. And despite all his public appearances, he's a very private person. E.g., I googled on "Romeo Langford girlfriend", got almost no substantive hits (although there was one tweet referencing an unnamed one), but did find an article about how private/enigmatic he is. http://kentsterling.com/2019/04/10/problem-with-romeo-langfords-legacy-at-indiana-is-we-dont-know-him-at-all-iubb/

Concern: At some point he may want a more active social life and feel that his life has reached a point where he can actually have one, and that can be distracting when it happens.

Reassurance: Most young players go through a version of that, even if it's less extreme than what I'm hypothesizing for Langford. And he'll have a lot of young teammates around him.

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Romeo likes those Beal comparisons.

To go really old school, how about Rolando Blackman?

Yes, please! That would be a good pick if he lives there up to the Blackman comparison. Beal, even better.

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I don't see much JB in him honestly other than their freshman struggles (which for whatever reason hurt Romeo's stock a lot more than Jaylen, even though Jaylen's were arguably more severe). JB is a secondary slasher, a guy who depends on either mismatches or a dislocated D (in transition or off of someone else's penetration) to unlock his speed and power based rim assaults. To that, he's added a spot-up 3-point jumper to allow him to coexist more happily with the ballhandlers he needs to be most successful.

Romeo is a primary slasher and scorer, a guy who initiates the dislocation of the defense as the PNR ballhandler or perimeter iso guy. He doesn't rely on mismatches so much as good floor spacing and good screeners and then when he gets his step he's got more weapons in his scoring arsenal, including stepbacks, pull-ups and floaters.

I think Romeo might have a tougher initial road to usefulness than Jaylen, because he's less comfortable off-ball (whereas Jaylen was very wild on-ball) and it's harder for a rookie to get touches as the main point of attack.

Think young Larry Hughes or John Salmons (I think that was Gomes' comp) or Joe Johnson vs Brown's Richard Jefferson style game.

Hello, police? I’d like to report a brutal beating: Slartibartfast’s analysis just kicked the crap out of my analysis!

I was being superficial — they move in a similar way. But everything you say is spot on (and I love your comps!), though it makes me sad: what gives with player development? I mean, how is Jaylen not in a gym running a hundred PnRs a day? I know he can dribble two basketballs at a time because in the summer you either hang out or train with old guys or hire someone to train you/make hype videos of you — but why isn’t it more under the control (or at least direction) of the team? What are the Cs paying him this year, maybe $10 million? And is it really just like ‘okay, work hard this summer it’d be cool if you worked on your free throws?’

I have no insight. I’m sure they need some mental and social and even physical time off. I’m sure stuff is probably more advanced than it used to be, at least with some franchises. But still, it’s like with diet for these guys on the road — seems like a significant gap in maximizing a team’s investment. I mean is Tatum out there with the hope that he’ll ‘come back stronger’ on his own?

Ball-handling seems to be one of the hardest skills to develop. There are weirdos like Jimmy Butler who will themselves into primary ballhandlers after starting out with the skill package of undersized PFs.

The theory I'm typing down directly from my butt is that it has a lot to do with center of gravity. The Jays are high hips, upright kinda guys. Exposes their handle to disruption and makes them shy about free-lancing under pressure. Whereas a guy like Jimmy plays lower to the ground and has an easier time stringing together compact moves.

Whatever the reason, some guys practice ballhandling and end up with martial arts style rehearsed moves which end up making them predictable and create tunnel vision moments whenever they start mashing buttons to unleash the combo. While others are able to make ball-handling more of a natural extension of their stride and can read and react to the defense as they go.

Are you aware of the term Copyright Infringement? I have dibs on the mbsnmisc "High Butt" theory of why some players, (Hasheem Thabeet springs to mind) never develop at the NBA level. You are a good poster so I will let it slide.

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Cmon Celtics Nation!

Romeo “Bangford” for threeeeeee!!!!!!

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Hello, police? I’d like to report a brutal beating: Slartibartfast’s analysis just kicked the crap out of my analysis!

I was being superficial — they move in a similar way. But everything you say is spot on (and I love your comps!), though it makes me sad: what gives with player development? I mean, how is Jaylen not in a gym running a hundred PnRs a day? I know he can dribble two basketballs at a time because in the summer you either hang out or train with old guys or hire someone to train you/make hype videos of you — but why isn’t it more under the control (or at least direction) of the team? What are the Cs paying him this year, maybe $10 million? And is it really just like ‘okay, work hard this summer it’d be cool if you worked on your free throws?’

I have no insight. I’m sure they need some mental and social and even physical time off. I’m sure stuff is probably more advanced than it used to be, at least with some franchises. But still, it’s like with diet for these guys on the road — seems like a significant gap in maximizing a team’s investment. I mean is Tatum out there with the hope that he’ll ‘come back stronger’ on his own?

Ball-handling seems to be one of the hardest skills to develop. There are weirdos like Jimmy Butler who will themselves into primary ballhandlers after starting out with the skill package of undersized PFs.

The theory I'm typing down directly from my butt is that it has a lot to do with center of gravity. The Jays are high hips, upright kinda guys. Exposes their handle to disruption and makes them shy about free-lancing under pressure. Whereas a guy like Jimmy plays lower to the ground and has an easier time stringing together compact moves.

Whatever the reason, some guys practice ballhandling and end up with martial arts style rehearsed moves which end up making them predictable and create tunnel vision moments whenever they start mashing buttons to unleash the combo. While others are able to make ball-handling more of a natural extension of their stride and can read and react to the defense as they go.

Are you aware of the term Copyright Infringement? I have dibs on the mbsnmisc "High Butt" theory of why some players, (Hasheem Thabeet springs to mind) never develop at the NBA level. You are a good poster so I will let it slide.

I can vouch for having seen you espouse that. I believe you may even have stated yours originated from the same location!