Sign & Trade Won't Die \ Cap Thread

[ZeroTolerance]

You can't trade Rozier for Kemba The Celtics have to take Kemba into cap space because of the BYC rules that still apply to sign and trades.

Nope. Discussed and proven like 5 times in this thread that we can. Look at the exchange between Fencer and I a few pages back.

Reading the back and forth about all this tends to make me think about how our POTUS seemingly always wanting to skirt the law and does so all the time...It's almost one of those "alternative realities"....

On the one hand, your points have some merit (in this case) and then in another way they are polar opposite to what the league intended...

Pardon the comparison here... but that's the way it all plays to many of us...

[djFan71]

You can't trade Rozier for Kemba The Celtics have to take Kemba into cap space because of the BYC rules that still apply to sign and trades.

Nope. Discussed and proven like 5 times in this thread that we can. Look at the exchange between Fencer and I a few pages back.

Reading the back and forth about all this tends to make me think about how our POTUS seemingly always wanting to skirt the law and does so all the time...It's almost one of those "alternative realities"....

On the one hand, your points have some merit (in this case) and then in another way they are polar opposite to what the league intended...

Pardon the comparison here... but that's the way it all plays to many of us...

That's just your interpretation of what the league intended. We're trying to do what's legal within the structure provided. I would argue that by reading the documents as much as we have, we'd have more insight into the league's intent than one who hasn't spent the time. Or you feel the league was careless or incompetent when drafting such a verbose legal document?

Spoiler:

lol, I'm just messsing with you. Definitely looking to extract out of it what we can.

[ZeroTolerance]

Nope. Discussed and proven like 5 times in this thread that we can. Look at the exchange between Fencer and I a few pages back.

Reading the back and forth about all this tends to make me think about how our POTUS seemingly always wanting to skirt the law and does so all the time...It's almost one of those "alternative realities"....

On the one hand, your points have some merit (in this case) and then in another way they are polar opposite to what the league intended...

Pardon the comparison here... but that's the way it all plays to many of us...

That's just your interpretation of what the league intended. We're trying to do what's legal within the structure provided. I would argue that by reading the documents as much as we have, we'd have more insight into the league's intent than one who hasn't spent the time. Or you feel the league was careless or incompetent when drafting such a verbose legal document?

Spoiler:

lol, I'm just messsing with you. Definitely looking to extract out of it what we can.

Touche!

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yep. Most likely Yabu goes in trade if we pull anything else off.

My interest list:

Jabari Parker, Jake Layman, Jamychal Green, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Marcus Morris, Trey Lyles, Dragan Bender (maybe a vet minimum guy) and - by trade into the 10ish million: Ntilikina, Crowder, Kris Dunn, Jonothan Simmons, Jerami Grant;

By trade into the Walker deal: MKG, Olynyk - adding major or minor pick considerations: Winslow, Larry Nance Jr.

I've revised my interest in your interest list with new info.
Remaining cap should be $6.8M pre-Kemba trade. If we can't trade for a higher salary ballast using Yabu + that, and we can send Yabu to CHA, I like signing any of these:

Yours: Parker, Lyles, RHJ
Added: Delon Wright, David Nwaba

To remaining cap of $6.8M. 1 + 1, team option.

What'd I miss, what cut it to 6.8?

[zoyathedestroya]

Is there a way for the Celtics to stay over the cap?

They can just use Rozier ($20.66M)/Baynes ($5.45M) or Rozier ($18.41M)/Yabu ($3.12M)/Baynes ($5.45M) to match Kemba's salary ($32.74M).

[Andrew McCeltic]

Is there a way for the Celtics to stay over the cap?

They can just use Rozier ($20.66M)/Baynes ($5.45M) or Rozier ($18.41M)/Yabu ($3.12M)/Baynes ($5.45M) to match Kemba's salary ($32.74M).

Rozier will be BYC for us if we don’t sign him into cap space.. ?

[zoyathedestroya]

Is there a way for the Celtics to stay over the cap?

They can just use Rozier ($20.66M)/Baynes ($5.45M) or Rozier ($18.41M)/Yabu ($3.12M)/Baynes ($5.45M) to match Kemba's salary ($32.74M).

Rozier will be BYC for us if we don’t sign him into cap space.. ?

Oh that's right. We'd have to include Morris. Never mind then.

Nets and Philly not cooperating limited our options.

[zoyathedestroya]

Once moratorium ends, there will be a four-team (MIA, PHI, LAC, POR), five-player (Butler, Whiteside, Leonard, Harkless, Richardson) trade that involves S&T.

Is it that much of stretch to execute a Yabu trade netting us a $9.9M (or less) player from a cash-strapped/tax team before completing a three-team (CHA, BOS, PHO), three-player (Kemba, Rozier, Baynes) trade?

[CelticsLV]

When's the last date Baynes trade has to be made official?

[zoyathedestroya]

Isn't July 5 the last day to complete Baynes trade?

Why? Might have missed that.

[CelticsLV]

Isn't July 5 the last day to complete Baynes trade?

Why? Might have missed that.

Don't mind me. I think you can carry the trade over to the next season even though it was agreed upon during draft. I simply saw the July 6 being thrown around on Twitter and something about completion of draft day trades.

[djFan71]

My interest list:

Jabari Parker, Jake Layman, Jamychal Green, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Marcus Morris, Trey Lyles, Dragan Bender (maybe a vet minimum guy) and - by trade into the 10ish million: Ntilikina, Crowder, Kris Dunn, Jonothan Simmons, Jerami Grant;

By trade into the Walker deal: MKG, Olynyk - adding major or minor pick considerations: Winslow, Larry Nance Jr.

I've revised my interest in your interest list with new info.
Remaining cap should be $6.8M pre-Kemba trade. If we can't trade for a higher salary ballast using Yabu + that, and we can send Yabu to CHA, I like signing any of these:

Yours: Parker, Lyles, RHJ
Added: Delon Wright, David Nwaba

To remaining cap of $6.8M. 1 + 1, team option.

What'd I miss, what cut it to 6.8?

Cap hold for #24 pick. We have that on the books until we make the PHO trade. But we have to stay under the cap until then.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I've revised my interest in your interest list with new info.
Remaining cap should be $6.8M pre-Kemba trade. If we can't trade for a higher salary ballast using Yabu + that, and we can send Yabu to CHA, I like signing any of these:

Yours: Parker, Lyles, RHJ
Added: Delon Wright, David Nwaba

To remaining cap of $6.8M. 1 + 1, team option.

What'd I miss, what cut it to 6.8?

Cap hold for #24 pick. We have that on the books until we make the PHO trade. But we have to stay under the cap until then.

What happens if we trade the pick to Phoenix in a pre-deal and don’t execute the Baynes trade yet? Does that open up space, followed by the Baynes to Phoenix, Kemba to Boston, Yabu to Charlotte deal?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Once moratorium ends, there will be a four-team (MIA, PHI, LAC, POR), five-player (Butler, Whiteside, Leonard, Harkless, Richardson) trade that involves S&T.

Is it that much of stretch to execute a Yabu trade netting us a $9.9M (or less) player from a cash-strapped/tax team before completing a three-team (CHA, BOS, PHO), three-player (Kemba, Rozier, Baynes) trade?

What player? I’d find a team to take Yabu’s money - New York, Washington, Atlanta - send cash or a top 55 protected second - and use the 9 million on a free agent. Or swap Yabu for Ntilikina and use the remaining 4 million on a free agent, then do the Kemba trade..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Once moratorium ends, there will be a four-team (MIA, PHI, LAC, POR), five-player (Butler, Whiteside, Leonard, Harkless, Richardson) trade that involves S&T.

Is it that much of stretch to execute a Yabu trade netting us a $9.9M (or less) player from a cash-strapped/tax team before completing a three-team (CHA, BOS, PHO), three-player (Kemba, Rozier, Baynes) trade?

Jerami Grant from OKC would be great - for Yabu, Ojeleye, maybe the MIL 1st..

[djFan71]

What'd I miss, what cut it to 6.8?

Cap hold for #24 pick. We have that on the books until we make the PHO trade. But we have to stay under the cap until then.

What happens if we trade the pick to Phoenix in a pre-deal and don’t execute the Baynes trade yet? Does that open up space, followed by the Baynes to Phoenix, Kemba to Boston, Yabu to Charlotte deal?

Complicated at best, as worst I think you run into the Doc Rivers issue. Can't have 2 separate trades that are contingent upon each other.

[zoyathedestroya]

Once moratorium ends, there will be a four-team (MIA, PHI, LAC, POR), five-player (Butler, Whiteside, Leonard, Harkless, Richardson) trade that involves S&T.

Is it that much of stretch to execute a Yabu trade netting us a $9.9M (or less) player from a cash-strapped/tax team before completing a three-team (CHA, BOS, PHO), three-player (Kemba, Rozier, Baynes) trade?

What player? I’d find a team to take Yabu’s money - New York, Washington, Atlanta - send cash or a top 55 protected second - and use the 9 million on a free agent. Or swap Yabu for Ntilikina and use the remaining 4 million on a free agent, then do the Kemba trade..

Any of those options are good for me. Except maybe Ntilikina who wouldn't be given the proper game time minutes to develop in Boston. I imagine Smart, Brown, Kemba are already getting at least 90 minutes from both guard spots. Edwards/Langford/Wanamaker getting spot minutes.

Here are some players in the $7.5M - $9.9M range: Dellavedova, Leuer, Jerami Grant, Kyle Anderson, Henson, CJ Miles, Moore, Felicio, Crowder, Korver.

[zoyathedestroya]

Cap hold for #24 pick. We have that on the books until we make the PHO trade. But we have to stay under the cap until then.

What happens if we trade the pick to Phoenix in a pre-deal and don’t execute the Baynes trade yet? Does that open up space, followed by the Baynes to Phoenix, Kemba to Boston, Yabu to Charlotte deal?

Complicated at best, as worst I think you run into the Doc Rivers issue. Can't have 2 separate trades that are contingent upon each other.

NBA gonna smell that from a thousand miles away.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Once moratorium ends, there will be a four-team (MIA, PHI, LAC, POR), five-player (Butler, Whiteside, Leonard, Harkless, Richardson) trade that involves S&T.

Is it that much of stretch to execute a Yabu trade netting us a $9.9M (or less) player from a cash-strapped/tax team before completing a three-team (CHA, BOS, PHO), three-player (Kemba, Rozier, Baynes) trade?

What player? I’d find a team to take Yabu’s money - New York, Washington, Atlanta - send cash or a top 55 protected second - and use the 9 million on a free agent. Or swap Yabu for Ntilikina and use the remaining 4 million on a free agent, then do the Kemba trade..

Any of those options are good for me. Except maybe Ntilikina who wouldn't be given the proper game time minutes to develop in Boston. I imagine Smart, Brown, Kemba are already getting at least 90 minutes from both guard spots. Edwards/Langford/Wanamaker getting spot minutes.

Here are some players in the $7.5M - $9.9M range: Dellavedova, Leuer, Jerami Grant, Kyle Anderson, Henson, CJ Miles, Moore, Felicio, Crowder, Korver.

Ntilikina might need fewer minutes than he had in New York.. but you could make him the new Smart, a developing defensive specialist who can’t shoot - and he could guard 1-3 in that role..

I pegged Grant a post up, he’d be perfect.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, as I said earlier, the BYC rules kill any S&T involving Kemba unless the Nets or the Sixers agree to a sign and trade involving Kyrie or Horford. And why should they?

Kemba counts for only 16M to Charlotte, but the full 32M to the Celtics. Rozier would count 18M to Charlotte, but only 9M to the Celtics. So the salary match works on Charlotte's end, but not on the Celtics side. And if the Celtics load other contracts into the deal, it starts not to work for Charlotte.