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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#281 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:37 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics walk away with Precious Achiuwa and Tyrell Terry in this draft I will be doing cartwheels


Precious sucks; ill be mad we blew another pick if we draft him

In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.


He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.
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Post#282 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:41 pm

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Precious sucks; ill be mad we blew another pick if we draft him

In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.


He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.

Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#283 » by JHTruth » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.


He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.

Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


We have one of those guys. His name is Robert Williams. And he can't get much more than a small bench role over Theis. Precious would never play.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#284 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:48 pm

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He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.

Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


We have one of those guys. His name is Robert Williams. And he can't get much more than a small bench role over Theis. Precious would never play.

RW3’s role is small because he his hurt 67% of the time
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#285 » by WeLikeOurGuys » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:49 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


We have one of those guys. His name is Robert Williams. And he can't get much more than a small bench role over Theis. Precious would never play.

RW3’s role is small because he his hurt 67% of the time

he is also out of position half the time.
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Post#286 » by Leprechaun18 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 2:10 pm

Danny is gonna draft one center and two combo guards. I paid a mind reader for that info, so enjoy.
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Post#287 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 2:17 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.


He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.

Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


You’d think that, but the playoffs proved differently. When Semi played, he sunk our net rating from ~113 to 98, and it was relatively consistent regardless who he played with. Going 4 on 5 is exceptionally hard.
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Post#288 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 9, 2020 2:19 pm

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He’ll be like Semi. He can defend them okay, but will give you zero on offense and be a net negative overall. He’s not what your looking for here.

He has no touch or feel. He’ll just clog the paint and allow teams to zone us to death. Not worth the draft capital.

Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


You’d think that, but the playoffs proved differently. When Semi played, he sunk our net rating from ~113 to 98, and it was relatively consistent regardless who he played with. Going 4 on 5 is exceptionally hard.

Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing
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Post#289 » by 100proof » Fri Oct 9, 2020 2:55 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics walk away with Precious Achiuwa and Tyrell Terry in this draft I will be doing cartwheels


Precious sucks; ill be mad we blew another pick if we draft him

In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.



Precious is 1 dimensional. Opposite of what we normal look to draft.

Also, GrantW, Timelord and a non physically exhausted Theis would normally have done much better against bam. Defense just fell off against Miami. Guards stayed at home against the shooters, that was the gameplan, imo, they just didnt do a good job of it.
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Post#290 » by leper-con » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:12 pm

I'm in on this Terry Kid, reminds me of a taller version of KEmba.
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Post#291 » by JHTruth » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:16 pm

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We have one of those guys. His name is Robert Williams. And he can't get much more than a small bench role over Theis. Precious would never play.

RW3’s role is small because he his hurt 67% of the time

he is also out of position half the time.


He's not really. Our defensive rating was better with Rob with the starters than Theis during the playoffs. He just needs to scale up in minutes. If Rob can't get minutes, a super-raw Precious has no shot..
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Post#292 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:18 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics have Kemba, Brown, Smart, Tatum and Hayward. Celtics don’t need offense. Celtics need someone to stop a Bam Adebayo from going for 32 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists in a closing game.

Celtics need someone to slow down the likes of Lebron, AD, Giannis etc. Someone with size who can move their feet and at least give those players something to thing about.


You’d think that, but the playoffs proved differently. When Semi played, he sunk our net rating from ~113 to 98, and it was relatively consistent regardless who he played with. Going 4 on 5 is exceptionally hard.

Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.
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Post#293 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:19 pm

100proof wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
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Precious sucks; ill be mad we blew another pick if we draft him

In my opinion Celtics need a defensive big who can guard the Bam Adebayo, AD and Giannis type players. It’s a desperate need. I think Precious has the potential to be that guy.



Precious is 1 dimensional. Opposite of what we normal look to draft.

Also, GrantW, Timelord and a non physically exhausted Theis would normally have done much better against bam. Defense just fell off against Miami. Guards stayed at home against the shooters, that was the gameplan, imo, they just didnt do a good job of it.


Thats the other thing— Grant actually held his own vs Bam. And he’s not a complete zero on offense. I’d rather hope he keeps growing into a PJ Tucker type of player than draft Precious with a lottery pick.
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Post#294 » by JHTruth » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:20 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
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You’d think that, but the playoffs proved differently. When Semi played, he sunk our net rating from ~113 to 98, and it was relatively consistent regardless who he played with. Going 4 on 5 is exceptionally hard.

Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.


On a smaller level this is why Theis hurt us a lot in the playoffs. He played his usual solid D but was a complete non-factor on O. I actually think Precious could provide some roll gravity that would help the offense in the same way Rob really helps our offense but Brad doesn't like those type of players..
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Post#295 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:22 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.


On a smaller level this is why Theis hurt us a lot in the playoffs. He played his usual solid D but was a complete non-factor on O. I actually think Precious could provide some roll gravity that would help the offense in the same way Rob really helps our offense but Brad doesn't like those type of players..


Agreed on the Theis part, but Precious aint better than Theis in this regard. And at least he can hit a J in the paint. Precious gets hustle points vs less athletic guys but he wouldnt do anything vs a clogged paint zone in the playoffs. Let someone else make that mistake.
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Post#296 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:24 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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You’d think that, but the playoffs proved differently. When Semi played, he sunk our net rating from ~113 to 98, and it was relatively consistent regardless who he played with. Going 4 on 5 is exceptionally hard.

Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.

Unlike Theis who provides no offense and no defense against the Bams of the world?

If you have another guy in mind fine but if the Celtics roll it back with these same bigs they will end up in the same position which is watching the Finals at home.
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Post#297 » by leper-con » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:24 pm

leper-con wrote:I'm in on this Terry Kid, reminds me of a taller version of KEmba.



I could see this kid being the steal of the draft.
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Post#298 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:25 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.


On a smaller level this is why Theis hurt us a lot in the playoffs. He played his usual solid D but was a complete non-factor on O. I actually think Precious could provide some roll gravity that would help the offense in the same way Rob really helps our offense but Brad doesn't like those type of players..


Agreed on the Theis part, but Precious aint better than Theis in this regard. And at least he can hit a J in the paint. Precious gets hustle points vs less athletic guys but he wouldnt do anything vs a clogged paint zone in the playoffs. Let someone else make that mistake.

In my opinion this like like people saying don't draft Bam Adebayo because he sucks on offense. Celtics would love to have Bam Adebayo.
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Post#299 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:26 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.

Unlike Theis who provides no offense and no defense against the Bams of the world?

If you have another guy in mind fine but if the Celtics roll it back with these same bigs they will end up in the same position which is watching the Finals at home.


Theis presents the same issue. And I agree on your point about the bigs— my point is moreso that Precious aint the guy youre looking for. I dont think any rookie is, but OO or Wiseman would be a much better bet.
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Post#300 » by JHTruth » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:27 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Semi Ojeleye is a wing. Not the player I am describing


Its the same principle— you cant have a player that gives you nothing on one end of the court playing in a playoff game. Precious can play D, but will be a complete zero on offense, clogging the paint and hurting the team more than he helps it.

Unlike Theis who provides no offense and no defense against the Bams of the world?

If you have another guy in mind fine but if the Celtics roll it back with these same bigs they will end up in the same position which is watching the Finals at home.


Precious could be something but it's going to take a few years at least. I see no reason to take on that project when we already have a hyper-athletic big already struggling to see the floor..

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