Welcome to Virtual Boston, Yam Madar!

Ben-N1ce · Post #281 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:58 pm

GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Unknown is always more exciting than seeing what we currently know with Edwards and Waters. That being said I'm certainly not expecting much.

bucknersrevenge · Post #282 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:59 pm

GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Real talk, I see skill level there. The kid plays with a definite swag. He's got some burst to him. He's improved as a shooter so there's definitely clay to work with there. What we don't know is how quickly he will adjust to the pace and the pounding of the NBA game. NBA travel, language barriers and an 82 game season (assuming he doesn't spend time up in Maine) instead of the roughly 30 he played last year, are not easy adjustments to navigate in your first year. Let alone learning a new playbook and new teammates. Sure we can throw around comparisons to Hall of Famers but every foreign-born player adjusts differently and at their own speed. The highest foreign-born pick from last year's draft, Deni Avdija spent most of this season as an afterthought in Washington. I wouldn't go around placing any lofty expectations on a kid who spent 2 years in a mediocre Israeli League. Still, he's intriguing enough to definitely bring him over and see if he surprises.

cloverleaf · Post #283 » by **cloverleaf** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:16 am

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SLCceltic · Post #284 » by **SLCceltic** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:18 am

"Yam Madar to join the Celtics in NBA Summer League | Eurohoops" https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1226073/yam-madar-to-join-the-celtics-in-nba-summer-league/

SLCceltic · Post #285 » by **SLCceltic** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:19 am

cloverleaf wrote:Welcome to Boston and Vegas, baby!

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Hal14 · Post #286 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:49 am

GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Ginobili, Kukoc and Arvydas Sabonis turned out ok

Hal14 · Post #287 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:04 am

bucknersrevenge wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Real talk, I see skill level there. The kid plays with a definite swag. He's got some burst to him. He's improved as a shooter so there's definitely clay to work with there. What we don't know is how quickly he will adjust to the pace and the pounding of the NBA game. NBA travel, language barriers and an 82 game season (assuming he doesn't spend time up in Maine) instead of the roughly 30 he played last year, are not easy adjustments to navigate in your first year. Let alone learning a new playbook and new teammates. Sure we can throw around comparisons to Hall of Famers but every foreign-born player adjusts differently and at their own speed. The highest foreign-born pick from last year's draft, Deni Avdija spent most of this season as an afterthought in Washington. I wouldn't go around placing any lofty expectations on a kid who spent 2 years in a mediocre Israeli League. Still, he's intriguing enough to definitely bring him over and see if he surprises.

1) The bolded part - those are things are adjustments that pretty much every rookie has faced in the NBA's 75 year history. And Madar speaks English, so I doubt "language barrier" will be much of an issue.

2) Interesting that you point out that Avdija had a disappointing rookie season but don't mention that the last 3 NBA MVPs have all been foreign born players. There's probably more foreign born talent in the NBA now than ever before, and in this year's draft you have a bunch of really talented foreign born players (Giddey, Sengun, Garuba. Prkacin, Petrusev, Aldama, etc.). Also, many players don't find their stride until their 2nd or 3rd year in the league - can't just write him off as a bust after only his rookie year, especially one where he suffered a season ending ankle injury. Not to mention last year's rookies had the added challenge of pandemic and a shortened offseason, shortened training camp and no summer league.

If anything, foreign born players have an advantage because the top overseas pro leagues (Israeli league included) are better competition than the NCAA.

cloverleaf · Post #288 » by **cloverleaf** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:12 am

SLCceltic wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Welcome to Boston and Vegas, baby!

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aw man, beat me
can't ever post anything 1st on this board ! ya'll are ON IT !!

I know the feeling. It is impossible for me to get a Woj bomb posted here first.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #289 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:12 am

Hal14 wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Ginobili and Arvydas Sabonis turned out ok

Are you suggesting Yam is on the same level/upward trajectory as these sort of players you mentioned?

Hal14 · Post #290 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:14 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Ginobili and Arvydas Sabonis turned out ok

Are you suggesting Yam is on the same level/upward trajectory as these sort of players you mentioned?

No. Simply pointing out a couple of draft and stash players who turned out to be very good NBA players.

bucknersrevenge · Post #291 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:03 am

Hal14 wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Anyone have faith ol Yam is gonna be anything more than just a mediocre jag? How often do draft and stash prospects pan out?

Real talk, I see skill level there. The kid plays with a definite swag. He's got some burst to him. He's improved as a shooter so there's definitely clay to work with there. What we don't know is how quickly he will adjust to the pace and the pounding of the NBA game. NBA travel, language barriers and an 82 game season (assuming he doesn't spend time up in Maine) instead of the roughly 30 he played last year, are not easy adjustments to navigate in your first year. Let alone learning a new playbook and new teammates. Sure we can throw around comparisons to Hall of Famers but every foreign-born player adjusts differently and at their own speed. The highest foreign-born pick from last year's draft, Deni Avdija spent most of this season as an afterthought in Washington. I wouldn't go around placing any lofty expectations on a kid who spent 2 years in a mediocre Israeli League. Still, he's intriguing enough to definitely bring him over and see if he surprises.

1) The bolded part - those are things are adjustments that pretty much every rookie has faced in the NBA's 75 year history. And Madar speaks English, so I doubt "language barrier" will be much of an issue.

2) Interesting that you point out that Avdija had a disappointing rookie season but don't mention that the last 3 NBA MVPs have all been foreign born players. There's probably more foreign born talent in the NBA now than ever before, and in this year's draft you have a bunch of really talented foreign born players (Giddey, Sengun, Garuba. Prkacin, Petrusev, Aldama, etc.). Also, many players don't find their stride until their 2nd or 3rd year in the league - can't just write him off as a bust after only his rookie year, especially one where he suffered a season ending ankle injury. Not to mention last year's rookies had the added challenge of pandemic and a shortened offseason, shortened training camp and no summer league.

If anything, foreign born players have an advantage because the top overseas pro leagues (Israeli league included) are better competition than the NCAA.

This actually speaks to my point. I'm not down on the kid. Hard to be "down" on a kid picked 47th anyway. As for Avdija, I'm not down on him either, long-term. I just bring him up to illustrate that some players adjust to the NBA at different paces and that goes for even the highly drafted, highly ranked guys, let alone the 2nd round "shots in the dark". We'll have to agree to disagree on the talent level of the Israeli league. I certainly don't think it has the athleticism of the NCAA but regardless. I'm not expecting much from him in his rookie season AND I love his skillset, the swag he plays with and hope he can be a contributor at some point in the future. Both things can be true at the same time. That's all I'm sayin.

Post #292 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:14 am

Madar is a wild card and that's the beauty of it. If the dude is a dud, who cares. But if he makes anything resembling a splash, then he's found money.

Curmudgeon · Post #293 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:44 am

Mdar should have an easier time adjusting than U.S. college players.
They play 30 games against boys. Madar played 30 games against grown men.

zoyathedestroya · Post #294 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:04 am

Yabu was French Draymond.
Yam is Israeli Steph.

And that is that.

cloverleaf · Post #295 » by **cloverleaf** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:28 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Yabu was French Draymond.
Yam is Israeli Steph.

And that is that.

That's part of the challenge for Yam: the C's have only missed on such stash players, despite others in the league having had some success with them.

And Yam's shot was actually the last part of his game to develop.

flintsky21 · Post #296 » by **flintsky21** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 9:27 am

Could be 1st Celtic to be born in 2000s.

Smog · Post #297 » by **Smog** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:47 pm

As to the Cs not having success with these players - is maybe part of the problem that Ainge was always looking for "instigators" and he played in an era when Euros had that Toni Kukoc/Rik Smits reputation for being contact-averse? Ainge had a few hits identifying guys who'd already played for a while in Europe (i.e. Theis, Wanamaker, Larkin, even Javonte) but I remember the look on his face when he talked about Dragan Bender's lack of strength, though of course he ended up being right about that guy.

Anyway Yam looks a lot like he fits Danny's fetish for feisty guards, which is good because he was pretty decent at drafting and acquiring those guys (Gabe Pruitt and Marcus Banks notwithstanding). Excited to see him in summer league.

cloverleaf · Post #298 » by **cloverleaf** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:05 pm

I guess Dina Rada worked out from the Jan Volk era.

Then the Aussie Ben Pepper (from the Pitino era?) never made it over here.

Chris Wallace took Darius Songaila, whose rights were eventually traded before he made it to the NBA.

Danny tended to go for bigs as well, with Semi, Fab, Yabs and ZIzic, before leaving us now with our little Yam.

Post #299 » by **Parliament10** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:41 pm

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bucknersrevenge · Post #300 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:57 pm

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