Fire Brad Stevens.

[Fencer reregistered]

From a couple decades ago, I'd guess:

http://www.espn.com/page2/s/wiley/001129.html

"(Wooden) said out of 15 guys, five are with you no matter what, five are never with you, have their own agenda, and five guys are in the middle. You have to win over those five guys in the middle."

The Boston Celtics
The franchise is a giant Coach Eater. You're always following Auerbach, is the problem. Rick Pitino came in, got total control, hired the players he wanted that would listen to him, only to find that, yes, they listened fine, they just couldn't beat anybody once he stopped talking. Pitino threatened to quit -- as coach -- if they didn't start playing D. Like they had switches in their asses they could flip, or something. They were already playing defense. The best defense they could, anyway.

The Boston Celtics, Coach Killers. Bad tradition or good tradition, or Always One Duncan Away?

[cloverleaf]

From a couple decades ago, I'd guess:

http://www.espn.com/page2/s/wiley/001129.html

"(Wooden) said out of 15 guys, five are with you no matter what, five are never with you, have their own agenda, and five guys are in the middle. You have to win over those five guys in the middle."

The Boston Celtics
The franchise is a giant Coach Eater. You're always following Auerbach, is the problem. Rick Pitino came in, got total control, hired the players he wanted that would listen to him, only to find that, yes, they listened fine, they just couldn't beat anybody once he stopped talking. Pitino threatened to quit -- as coach -- if they didn't start playing D. Like they had switches in their asses they could flip, or something. They were already playing defense. The best defense they could, anyway.

The Boston Celtics, Coach Killers. Bad tradition or good tradition, or Always One Duncan Away?

Eh, KC and Doc got their coaching rings with the C's.

One way of looking at it is that Stevens was great at getting limited, gutsy players to play together on marginal teams, and Danny bagged talent in the likes of Al, Isaiah, Kyrie, Gordon, etc., to help in combination with that get Stevens into the finals of a lopsided Eastern Conference a few times. He also gave Stevens a top-tier defensive assistant in his first season to install a winning defensive scheme.

But even with Danny avoiding or trading away any talent that was too headstrong for Brad to handle, Brad has had two massive season failures in his tenure here, he couldn't keep that one premium assistant beyond the first year and has largely had lackey yes-men on his coaching bench since, and he couldn't keep the best of the AS talent Danny gave him whenever they had the opportunity to walk.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I don’t want him fired....but they need to hold practices. I don’t care if there isn’t much time in between games. Get these guys on the floor together so they have time to mesh. Sit Kemba and Rob out of practices if need be. The rest of the guys should be getting reps in together. They’re all young. Their bodies can handle an extra 30-45 minutes of scrimmage. At the very least, do walk throughs

[Hal14]

This team has overachieved with Brad. Give him at least another year. Let's see what he can do with Tatum and Brown.

We have.
This team has underachieved for 3 years now.
Cut bait.

We underachieved in 2019 and 2020...really?

2019 was a good team that did about as well as you could expect considering we clearly weren't as good as Toronto/Philly/Milwaukee, Tatum and Brown were still just babies, Hayward was not very good that season after undergoing surgery and Kyrie quit on the team. Was it Stevens' fault that Kyrie quit on the team? No, because Kyrie also quit on the team in Cleveland and also quit on the nets last year and also earlier this season when he went AWOL for several games in a row. We were clearly the 4th best team in the east and we got to the semi-finals, about what anyone could expect.

2020 we were the 3 seed which is solid, especially considering all of the injuries we had during the season. Had no hayward during first 2 rounds of playoffs yet we still swept the sixers and beat the raptors in one of the best series in recent NBA playoff history, then we lost to the heat in the conference finals but probably would have beat them if hayward was healthy, he only played in 4 of the 6 games and was hobbled when he was in there, and Kemba was a liability on defense as well, as he was being bothered by the knee injury that he would get a stem cell procedure done on over the offseason.

Also, Stevens, was 1 of only 8 NBA head coaches to get Coach of the Year votes in 2020:
http://global.nba.com/news/national-basketball-coaches-association-announces-2020-michael-h-goldeberg-nbca-coach-of-the-year-award-voted-annually-by-30-nba-head-coaches/#:~:text=Back-,National%20Basketball%20Coaches%20Association%20Announces%202020%20Michael%20H.,By%2030%20NBA%20Head%20Coaches&text=New%20York%2C%20August%203%2C%202020,recipients%20of%20the%20Michael%20H.

This season has been disappointing and we've underachieved, but we're tied with the heat (who made the nba finals last year) so I suppose Spoelstra (considered one of the best coaches in the league). should get fired too? Our record is far better than the raptors (who had a better record than us last year) so i suppose Nurse (considered one of the best coaches in the league) should get fired too?

Not to mention this season isn't over yet, we're not even in the playoffs yet so too early to say whether or not this team underachieved. You never know - the Knicks were the 8 seed in 99 and made the finals!

[GoCeltics123]

FWIW, I would fire Danny before I'd fire Brad. But Brad needs an assistant who's an offensive coordinator or one who will scream at the team, because this team is mentally soft as ****

[timpiker]

I'd hate to see it but is the alternative? Is this year an aberration and do you expect to just write it off then see what next year brings? Then, if its more of the same, fire him in the middle of the season or? I know managers/coaches are the easiest to fire. What is the root cause of the problem? Have the leaders of the team tuned him out?

[OBisHalJordan]

FWIW, I would fire Danny before I'd fire Brad. But Brad needs an assistant who's an offensive coordinator or one who will scream at the team, because this team is mentally soft as ****

I agree. I hope DA is gone this offseason and Stevens stays.

[Ernest]

From a couple decades ago, I'd guess:

http://www.espn.com/page2/s/wiley/001129.html

"(Wooden) said out of 15 guys, five are with you no matter what, five are never with you, have their own agenda, and five guys are in the middle. You have to win over those five guys in the middle."

The Boston Celtics
The franchise is a giant Coach Eater. You're always following Auerbach, is the problem. Rick Pitino came in, got total control, hired the players he wanted that would listen to him, only to find that, yes, they listened fine, they just couldn't beat anybody once he stopped talking. Pitino threatened to quit -- as coach -- if they didn't start playing D. Like they had switches in their asses they could flip, or something. They were already playing defense. The best defense they could, anyway.

The Boston Celtics, Coach Killers. Bad tradition or good tradition, or Always One Duncan Away?

I was thinking about Pitino during the last few minutes of the Thunder game. We wwere pressing and getting steals and I thought, hey why don't we just do this all game. A second later the Pitino flashbacks. For those too young to know, we pressed after every made basket for a whole season. It didn't work.

[cloverleaf]

This team has overachieved with Brad. Give him at least another year. Let's see what he can do with Tatum and Brown.

We have.
This team has underachieved for 3 years now.
Cut bait.

We underachieved in 2019 and 2020...really?

2019 was a good team that did about as well as you could expect considering we clearly weren't as good as Toronto/Philly/Milwaukee, Tatum and Brown were still just babies, Hayward was not very good that season after undergoing surgery and Kyrie quit on the team. We were clearly the 4th best team in the east and we got to the semi-finals, about what anyone could expect.

2020 we were the 3 seed which is solid, especially considering all of the injuries we had during the season. Had no hayward during first 2 rounds of playoffs yet we still swept the sixers and beat the raptors in one of the best series in NBA playoff history, then we lost to the heat in the conference finals but probably would have beat them if hayward was healthy, he only played in 4 of the 6 games and was hobbled when he was in there, and Kemba was a liability on defense as well, as he was being bothered by the knee injury that he would get a stem cell procedure done on over the offseason.

This season has been disappointing and we've underachieved, but we're tied with the heat (who made the nba finals last year) so I suppose Spoelstra (considered one of the best coaches in the league). should get fired too? Our record is far better than the raptors (who had a better record than us last year) so i suppose Nurse (considered one of the best coaches in the league) should get fired too?

"[O]ne of the best series in NBA playoff history"? Are you 12 years old?

[cloverleaf]

From a couple decades ago, I'd guess:

http://www.espn.com/page2/s/wiley/001129.html

"(Wooden) said out of 15 guys, five are with you no matter what, five are never with you, have their own agenda, and five guys are in the middle. You have to win over those five guys in the middle."

The Boston Celtics
The franchise is a giant Coach Eater. You're always following Auerbach, is the problem. Rick Pitino came in, got total control, hired the players he wanted that would listen to him, only to find that, yes, they listened fine, they just couldn't beat anybody once he stopped talking. Pitino threatened to quit -- as coach -- if they didn't start playing D. Like they had switches in their asses they could flip, or something. They were already playing defense. The best defense they could, anyway.

The Boston Celtics, Coach Killers. Bad tradition or good tradition, or Always One Duncan Away?

I was thinking about Pitino during the last few minutes of the Thunder game. We wwere pressing and getting steals and I thought, hey why don't we just do this all game. A second later the Pitino flashbacks. For those too young to know, we pressed after every made basket for a whole season. It didn't work.

Pitino quit after 34 games as the C's coach.

[cloverleaf]

FWIW, I would fire Danny before I'd fire Brad. But Brad needs an assistant who's an offensive coordinator or one who will scream at the team, because this team is mentally soft as ****

I agree. I hope DA is gone this offseason and Stevens stays.

I think Tatum is too soft (and selfish) to be your head player and Stevens is too soft to be your head coach.

And 2019 was a complete team implosion.

[moonie_mcgee]

I live in San Antonio, you guys would want Pop Fired for the past few years. Give Brad time its clear its been an abomination of an injury plagued, poor season. Take the positives, hope for a good run this year, recognize the weaknesses and build into a formidable championship contender. Tatum and Brown are elite players especially for their age, the sky is the limit. Let Brad do his thing he can be a champion.

Comparing Stevens with Popovich?

[moonie_mcgee]

This team has overachieved with Brad. Give him at least another year. Let's see what he can do with Tatum and Brown.

We have.
This team has underachieved for 3 years now.
Cut bait.

We underachieved in 2019 and 2020...really?

Yup.
2019 Great roster
2020 Heat Finals
2021 Come on

[Hal14]

We have.
This team has underachieved for 3 years now.
Cut bait.

We underachieved in 2019 and 2020...really?

Yup.
2019 Great roster
2020 Heat Finals
2021 Come on

LMAO, love how you quoted me but removed all of the stuff in my post that proves you wrong..

[moonie_mcgee]

We underachieved in 2019 and 2020...really?

Yup.
2019 Great roster
2020 Heat Finals
2021 Come on

LMAO, love how you quoted me but removed all of the stuff in my post that proves you wrong..

You were wrong from the get go. Isn't that enough.

[Hal14]

Yup.
2019 Great roster
2020 Heat Finals
2021 Come on

LMAO, love how you quoted me but removed all of the stuff in my post that proves you wrong..

You were wrong from the get go. Isn't that enough.

LOL, so instead of actually making an argument with any type of substance, you just say "but you're wrong!" and that's it. what a joke, a troll, a clown.

[playa-hater]

LMAO, love how you quoted me but removed all of the stuff in my post that proves you wrong..

You were wrong from the get go. Isn't that enough.

LOL, so instead of actually making an argument with any type of substance, you just say "but you're wrong!" and that's it. what a joke, a troll, a clown.

Hali, I think we agree on most items. But 2019's roster was stacked and that year was as disappointing as they come. (bad chemistry or not)

[Bleeding Green]

Someone really, really needs to take over the challenge responsibility. It's going to cost them a playoff game, he's so bad at using these properly. Do they really not have a guy who watches replays and relays info down to the coach like they do in baseball? Like someone who understands the value of retaining it for the fourth quarter and who also has eyeballs and knows which calls are likely to be overturned?

[Hal14]

You were wrong from the get go. Isn't that enough.

LOL, so instead of actually making an argument with any type of substance, you just say "but you're wrong!" and that's it. what a joke, a troll, a clown.

Hali, I think we agree on most items. But 2019's roster was stacked and that year was as disappointing as they come. (bad chemistry or not)

But a) Smart was injured in the Bucks series b) Hayward wasn't as good coming off surgery c) Tatum was only 21 d) Brown was only 22 d) Irving quit on the team, just like he did in cleveland and like he did last season in new jersey and earlier this season for new jersey for a few games e) even with kyrie playing well, a healthy hayward and a healthy smart, it was still highly debatable whether we were better than Philly/Milwaukee/toronto who were all really good that year. For crying out loud, mlwaukee was 11 games better than us during the regular season that year..are you honestly disappointed that we didn't beat them in the playoffs?

2019 was not a stacked team. We had 1 all-star (Kyrie) who quit on the team and when he did play it was an isolation, 1 on 1 show with him just dribbling around way too much. Our 5 other good players Tatum (only 21), Brown (only 22), Hayward (not nearly as good after surgery) Horford (solid big man but past his prime at age 32) and Smart (got hurt a lot).a 49 win season, 4 seed and conference semi-finals is about what you could expect with that group.

[playa-hater]

LOL, so instead of actually making an argument with any type of substance, you just say "but you're wrong!" and that's it. what a joke, a troll, a clown.

Hali, I think we agree on most items. But 2019's roster was stacked and that year was as disappointing as they come. (bad chemistry or not)

But a) Smart was injured in the Bucks series b) Hayward wasn't as good coming off surgery c) Tatum was only 21 d) Brown was only 22 d) Irving quit on the team, just like he did in cleveland and like he did last season in new jersey and earlier this season for new jersey for a few games e) even with kyrie playing well, a healthy hayward and a healthy smart, it was still highly debatable whether we were better than Philly/Milwaukee/toronto who were all really good that year. For crying out loud, mlwaukee was 11 games better than us during the regular season that year..are you honestly disappointed that we didn't beat them in the playoffs?

2019 was not a stacked team. We had 1 all-star (Kyrie) who quit on the team. Our 5 other good players Tatum (only 21), Brown (only 22), Hayward (not nearly as good after surgery) Horford (solid big man but past his prime at age 32) and Smart (got hurt a lot).a 49 win season, 4 seed and conference semi-finals is about what you could expect with that group.

Not that any of your reasons were wrong. But at a time when Boston had former All stars in GH and Kyrie and maybe even Horford. With Tatum, Brown, Smart, Rozier, Theis and RW, ON PAPER everyone and their uncle was expecting a major Title push from Boston. But Boston all year long struggled. So losing to the Bucks at that point probably didn't surprise anyone during the playoffs. but the shame of NOT COMPTETING with THAT ROSTER was a slow trickle downwards all year long.

I just can't remember a roster that stacked on paper being so mediocre ever.