Brad Stevens Thread – Finding The Way

[playa-hater]

How the hell is this thread NOT BLOWING UP RIGHT NOW?????

and they call me a Hater

POBO Stevens for EXEC of the year in 2022-23

[BostonCouchGM]

The Brogdon and Gallo acquisitions really soften the blow and make up for the horrendous White trade. Brad moves on quick from his failures which I like. He might have a future at this G.M. thing

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Since Stevens took over:

IN
Malcolm Brogdon
Danilo Gallinari
Al Horford
Derrick White
Juhann Begarin
JD Davison
Sam Hauser
Matt Ryan
Brodric Thomas

STAY
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Payton Pritchard
Grant Williams
Robert Williams

OUT
Tremont Waters
Jabari Parker
Kemba Walker
Tristan Thompson
Daniel Theis
Semi Ojeleye
Aaron Nesmith
Evan Fournier
Javonte Green
Romeo Langford
Tacko Fall

Theis and Javonte shouldn't be on the Out list. Danny traded them both away. On Brad's watch, Theis was an in-and-out-again like Richardson or Juancho.

Kornet could be classified either as an In or Stay.

I think Carsen Edwards is another Out.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Since Stevens took over:

IN
Malcolm Brogdon
Danilo Gallinari
Al Horford
Derrick White
Juhann Begarin
JD Davison
Sam Hauser
Matt Ryan
Brodric Thomas

STAY
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Payton Pritchard
Grant Williams
Robert Williams

OUT
Tremont Waters
Jabari Parker
Kemba Walker
Tristan Thompson
Daniel Theis
Semi Ojeleye
Aaron Nesmith
Evan Fournier
Javonte Green
Romeo Langford
Tacko Fall

Theis and Javonte shouldn't be on the Out list. Danny traded them both away. On Brad's watch, Theis was an in-and-out-again like Richardson or Juancho.

Kornet could be classified either as an In or Stay.

I think Carsen Edwards is another Out.

Yeah I forgot that Theis and Green were dealt at the deadline before Stevens took over. My bad.
I don't love everybody's game in the NBA but there are only two guys' game I actively hate and Carsen Edwards is one of them. So I refuse to acknowledge that he played for the Celtics.

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The 2023 OKC 2nd and 2023 ORL 2nd might as well be late 1sts. 31-35 range for sure.

[CelticsPride18]

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The 2023 OKC 2nd and 2023 ORL 2nd might as well be late 1sts. 31-35 range for sure.

We can move up to the first round or move them at the deadline. Underrated assets.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

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The 2023 OKC 2nd and 2023 ORL 2nd might as well be late 1sts. 31-35 range for sure.

I think that person is wrong. Here are the incoming picks for the Celtics in 2023 (they have neither of their own picks):

2023 second round draft pick from Houston, Dallas or Miami
Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished and Boston will instead receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick

Orlando's 2023 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Orlando's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) = fake pick because Orlando had to send something back in the Dozier/Bol blockbuster

2023 second round draft pick from Portland

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Hopefully Houston sucks just the right amount to send Boston a pick around 35. Otherwise, we get to root against the Heat which isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Spin Move]

I keep going back and fourth on whether the White trade was a good move or not. We got to the finals but am not sure how much credit he deserves for that given that while he was a steady hand and good defender he was only scoring 8 points a game and shooting 31% from 3 for the playoffs. The Brogden Trade is a good one though. Credit to Brad on that. Now is the time to go for it when we are close. Us and the bucks will be battling over who gets to go to the finals for the next 3 years.



On a personal note, this is my 10,000th post. The majority of which occurred before I started practicing law in 2008 and had the time to be a mod. My posting has slowed down with work and fatherhood over the years. This board has been a nice distraction from doing my actual work the past 18 years or so (law school included). I am originally from Kansas and became a Celtics fan when they drafted Paul Pierce (I do have some family ties there, my uncle lives there and my dad went to graduate school there) thanks for the good times, not leaving just reminiscing a bit on 10k.

[Bleeding Green]

The White move is a good trade of course. White is one of the premier PG defenders in the league and he cost like two late picks. If Tatum didn't put up one of the all-time **** performances in NBA playoff history in the finals, they win the finals. And White is a 25 minute per game contributor to that. They gave up two picks that are likely in the 25-30 range. Usually those guys turn into absolutely nothing.

[ParticleMan]

The White trade was certainly instrumental in getting us to the Finals. He solidified an otherwise very shaky bench, and gave us poise and leadership on a young team. That said, it's clear that he's going to be in a bench role on this team especially with Brogdon here, and his contract is pretty hefty for a bench guy. I am not too worried about the late 1st round picks since our title window is now and we can't afford to force-feed minutes to develop late picks.

Overall I still do the trade 10 times out of 10. He really epitomizes Ime's ball movement and pace offense, and it's great to have a respected vet on the team who has that style in his DNA, while our young guys are still struggling to find it. It may have been a bit of an overpay in terms of stats/salary/role etc but he is such a good fit for exactly what we need, I think it's easily worth it.

[BK_2020]

I'm lowkey impressed with the way he's going about solidifying the end of the bench by locking up Kornet and Hauser on slightly over the minimum salary. We even have a non-guaranteed 3rd year on Hauser which could be big. If Hauser becomes even a useful backup, you can expect those to command $6-8 mil. per year in 2024-25. During Ainge's regime it always felt like the 3rd unit was constantly in flux and there was very little upside. Another instance of singles and on-base vs. the all Home runs approach.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

I keep going back and fourth on whether the White trade was a good move or not. We got to the finals but am not sure how much credit he deserves for that given that while he was a steady hand and good defender he was only scoring 8 points a game and shooting 31% from 3 for the playoffs. The Brogden Trade is a good one though. Credit to Brad on that. Now is the time to go for it when we are close. Us and the bucks will be battling over who gets to go to the finals for the next 3 years.



On a personal note, this is my 10,000th post. The majority of which occurred before I started practicing law in 2008 and had the time to be a mod. My posting has slowed down with work and fatherhood over the years. This board has been a nice distraction from doing my actual work the past 18 years or so (law school included). I am originally from Kansas and became a Celtics fan when they drafted Paul Pierce (I do have some family ties there, my uncle lives there and my dad went to graduate school there) thanks for the good times, not leaving just reminiscing a bit on 10k.

Don't forget we have White for a couple more years yet, so there's more to be determined regarding the success of that trade.

I think it was a success already, but even if you don't the full results aren't in yet.

The real success might be the rotation of Smart/White/Brogdon and the flow on effect to reduced minutes for others.

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Brad emphasizing the management aspect of his job:

I’d say that it’s a lot like college coaching, from the standpoint of in college it felt like you really didn’t spend as much time on coaching as you would think. Here, you do a lot of the roster stuff, but it’s like a small portion of the job. The biggest thing is making sure everybody’s working together and, again, just creating one message around our organization about what’s important and how we want to move forward. And I’ve really enjoyed that part. It’s team-building with 70 people.

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/brad-stevens-return-coaching-ime-udoka/

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[jmr07019]

I don't think Brad seems all that different from Danny. He throws out low ball offers and hopes teams accept them (White, Brog, KD trades or attempts). He has gotten a rookie extension done that looks like highway robbery now (Rob) which is reminiscent to Rondo / Perk / Bradley extensions. Hopefully more to come on that front (Grant). He has been unafraid to potentially damage locker room chemistry by putting his guys in trade rumors.

The big difference is trading picks in each of the last 2 drafts after Danny was unwilling to do it.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Pretty wild that less than a year ago all these guys were on the opening night roster:
Bruno Fernando
Juancho Hernangomez
Enes Freedom
Romeo Langford
Aaron Nesmith
Jabari Parker
Josh Richardson
Dennis Schroder
Brodric Thomas

They've been replaced by:
Derrick White
Malcolm Brogdon
Danilo Gallinari
Blake Griffin
Mfiondu Kabengele
JD Davison
Luke Kornet
Whoever else makes it out of camp

That's executive of the year stuff right there.