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Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#281 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:52 pm

Setshot33 wrote:I love the "We can easily replace what Brogdon gives us" vibe on this board.

He's the first 6th Man of the year that this team has had since Walton was here. Took them 37 years to find one.

Really easy......


Yeah. Way too much "grass is always greener" sentiment here.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#282 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:54 pm

Brogdon's the type of player you'd kill to have on your team when he's on another team, while underrated when he's on yours.

I hope he stays.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#283 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:03 pm

What about Brogdon for Gary Trent Jr.?

If they lose FVV and don't want to rebuild, he's perfect for them.

Trent fits us ok - shooting and scoring off the bench, good defender if he tries but doesn't always try. Still has upside as a 3&D guard. Only 25 years old. Makes 4 million less than Brogdon but becomes a free agent next summer.

Would we want a rental? Can he get Jordan Poole money (27 million) or better? Under the last CBA, absolutely. This one?
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#284 » by captain green » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:06 pm

Honestly where are the can't will trades at I know we ain't signing him so? To me Brogdon is off the market .
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#285 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:08 pm

captain green wrote:Honestly where are the can't will trades at I know we ain't signing him so? To me Brogdon is off the market .

Apparently the Celtics don't agree with you. Celtics traded Brogdon only to have a team back out. That means Celtics have no issue what so ever to trading Brogdon.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#286 » by captain green » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:13 pm

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captain green wrote:Honestly where are the can't will trades at I know we ain't signing him so? To me Brogdon is off the market .

Apparently the Celtics don't agree with you. Celtics traded Brogdon only to have a team back out. That means Celtics have no issue what so ever to trading Brogdon.

Right but injury is real I'd assume he can't pass no physical yet so it's probably not happening anytime soon. However I've read not much about sign and trading can't will and the trade checkers won't allow me to try by myself so. Curious what the value is there.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#287 » by Riverwalk2021 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:13 pm

Brogdon is really good player. I was disappointed with his defense, but overall still damn good. Change his role a bit to more ball handling, and I think he can be really effective. The real problem is he is made of glass just like Rob. It's really hard to rely on a player like that. We babied his minutes all season long and he still got hurt at the worst possible time, freak injury or not. If I'm the C's, I treat him like a valuable asset and look for value. I'm sure that's what Brad will do.

I wonder what the package of Brogodn + PP + next year's picks (2FRPs, 2SRPs) can get you
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#288 » by 31to6 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:27 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:What about Brogdon for Gary Trent Jr.?

If they lose FVV and don't want to rebuild, he's perfect for them.

Trent fits us ok - shooting and scoring off the bench, good defender if he tries but doesn't always try. Still has upside as a 3&D guard. Only 25 years old. Makes 4 million less than Brogdon but becomes a free agent next summer.

Would we want a rental? Can he get Jordan Poole money (27 million) or better? Under the last CBA, absolutely. This one?


Depends how much they want to stay under the second apron and/or bring Grant (or a Grant S&T) back.

I like Trent Jr. enough to consider it, but he can’t play PG and Malcolm does — I’d lean 30/70 “no” but it’s a good suggestion.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#289 » by Tyakack » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:30 pm

Yeah, I'm in the keep brogs camp. Dude was literally 6th man of the year. I'm not against trading him but I don't wanna do it just to do it. I still think he can be a big part in us winning a title. Idk why so many people are eager to get rid of our best bench scorer.
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Post#290 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Hmmmm...

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Post#291 » by Theocy » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:38 pm

Riverwalk2021 wrote:Brogdon is really good player. I was disappointed with his defense, but overall still damn good. Change his role a bit to more ball handling, and I think he can be really effective. The real problem is he is made of glass just like Rob. It's really hard to rely on a player like that. We babied his minutes all season long and he still got hurt at the worst possible time, freak injury or not. If I'm the C's, I treat him like a valuable asset and look for value. I'm sure that's what Brad will do.

I wonder what the package of Brogodn + PP + next year's picks (2FRPs, 2SRPs) can get you


Nothing. I dont think there's a trade partner out there that we can work with unless we are trading Brown also.

And including PP leaves us with no PGs other than White who is a make believe PG.

Brogdon will only go if we believe someone like the hawks will bite and offer the non Tray PG they own. A year ago I'd be all over this now i dont know. And I'm guessing we're not seeing that as an improvement.

There's little value in terms of good PGs out there unless you are willing to trade Brown. In that case you're targeting Trae perhaps? Donovan ?

The Jazz have Sexton but is he a better facilitator than either Brogdon or White ? Not really.

I have a feeling our PG rotation is what it is and the roster wont change much. In this case PP is gonna get some playing time this year.

In terms of descending salaries -

    Curry 50m - no go
    Dame 47m - no chance stupid contract
    Trae 43m - only if brown or a combo of brogdon/al/RW GO
    Simons 37m - :lol:
    Jrue 34m - probably pointless
    Ja 34m - no chance he is moved
    Garland 34m - no chance he is moved
    Murray 33m - literally no chance
    SGA 33m - untouchable and we have nothing to offer
    Fox 32m - he isn't being moved
    CP - traded
    Fat Smart - pointless and way to aged
    Brunson 26m - knicks would say no not enough value from our end
    Conley 26m - too old
    Rozier 23m - not better than what we have
    Brogdon 22m
    Ball 20m - he wont play for another year
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#292 » by tbceltics34 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:42 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Hmmmm...

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I don't know all the rules but could that trade have even been possible with the draft occurring yesterday and free agency not starting until next week? How would they be able to include Grant in a trade proposal like that?

Again, I don't know all the logistics, so just generally asking if that proposal is even logical that it could've happened.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#293 » by Edug27 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 pm

Dame on IG live playing Welcome to Miami… ugh
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#294 » by Homerclease » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:46 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Hmmmm...

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#295 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:51 pm

robdog_5 wrote:
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robdog_5 wrote:My thing is Brogdon isn't an elite player. But he's q good player. He's a very good shooter. Can run some pick and roll and play solid basketball. But he gets hurt and is coming off an injury where you don't know exactly what's gonna happen. His value is low. What can you get thwt makes you better? He's a solid player so you can't just get trash. So your gonna have to either attach assets or take back longer money someone wants to get off of. Frankly that doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I mean, we almost just got Porzingis for Brogdon.

Only reason that initial deal fell through is because KP had that deadline to opt in by midnight so there wasn't enough time for the Clippers to get medicals on Brogdon or do a physical or whatever.

And now that there's updated reports out there today that his injury isn't as serious as Windy was initially reporting (and all reports are saying he should be ready to go by the start of the season) we could possibly find another deal for him.

It would be tricky though. Brad knows what he's doing though, so if anyone can find a way, it's him :)

But again, if we can't find a deal that makes sense, we can do much worse than running it back with Brogdon as our 6th man again.



I've looked all offseason for Brogdon spots. The Clippers were one of only a few that made sense to me.

There not many spots that make sense.

The offseason just started, my man.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#296 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:56 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Hmmmm...

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Couldn't have happened until after the draft. Money doesn't even work. BYC with Grant, we can only take back like 12 million dollars for that package. If it's McConnell and Walker that's close.

Maybe there's a path where we get a TPE built into the transaction and use it to take Theis, too.

But you're going to add... 22 million to our payroll?
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#297 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:08 am

Edug27 wrote:Dame on IG live playing Welcome to Miami… ugh

Some other team needs to make an offer that blows the Heat garbage package out of the water. Dame doesn’t have an NTC like Beal so Blazers can trade him to the team that gives them the best chance to rebuild. Lowry, Robinson, a first, and a swap ain’t it.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#298 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:09 am

Five team mega trade, super likely lol

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5 - 2023-24 

Post#299 » by Edug27 » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:10 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Edug27 wrote:Dame on IG live playing Welcome to Miami… ugh

Some other team needs to make an offer that blows the Heat garbage package out of the water. Dame doesn’t have an NTC like Beal so Blazers can trade him to the team that gives them the best chance to rebuild. Lowry, Robinson, a first, and a swap ain’t it.


I’m sure Miami will throw in Herro.

Plus Portland loves Dame. They’ll work with him.
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Post#300 » by Larry_Russell » Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:11 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Edug27 wrote:Dame on IG live playing Welcome to Miami… ugh

Some other team needs to make an offer that blows the Heat garbage package out of the water. Dame doesn’t have an NTC like Beal so Blazers can trade him to the team that gives them the best chance to rebuild. Lowry, Robinson, a first, and a swap ain’t it.



Id still offer brown.

Dame/brogdon
White
Tatum
KP
Rob/horford

Thats a crazy 1-7

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