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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#301 » by sully00 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:25 pm

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If this is the pick we're "getting" don't expect it anytime soon. Don't understand the weird mid to late 1st protections on it. Or When they can trade another one...looks like we might get it in 2017, but if it hasn't been conveyed to Denver by then we get in 2018.

Wonder if it will be protected too.


Honestly, this is another reason I actually DO want the pick. I believe there are limitations on how far out you can trade a pick (I seem to recall something like 2020 or 2021 now perhaps). If I am correct on this, it makes adding protection less likely considering the protection on the one Denver now holds.


There is a time limit between when a pick is traded and when it has to be conveyed. I think it is 5 years. For it to be protected for the full 5 years it has to reset to a 2nd or some other compensation. So you would be looking for an unprotected '20.

Edit according to Fencer's post it is 7 years.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#302 » by mwhis21 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 7:39 pm

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I think your missing the point all together. Basically what Boston is asking Green to do is to work his ass off so they can fire him. It is like your boss coming to you saying I want to have your best quarter ever so I can sell this **** company and you can get laid off.

This isn't a situation where Ainge is committing to Jeff for the rest of the season, he basically committed to him through the holidays. He isn't trying to trade Jeff to the best situation for Jeff he is trying to trade him for the best return for the Celtics.

This is Ainge's mess and he has probably sealed Brad Stevens fate as a coach.



Yeah but Green is not really getting fired. To me it's more like “Yeah we are going move you to a different department, you may not like where you’re going but its only for 3 or 4 months and you will be getting your full salary. If you like it there you can stay for another year and keep getting paid. If you don’t you can leave and there are several departments that will be interested in you.”


It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?


I'm not missing the point at all, you missed it from the start. The point should be: Why is Jeff Green dogging it in a contract year? Or why has he been dogging it since Rondo was traded?

If you or I get fired, we don't get paid. But if I'm worth a damn as a sales person I probably have some stock-option benefit in my agreement so I benefit from said sale of company. Stock options are my benefit, securing a long term, high-dollar contract is Green's.

Green is playing his way out of more guaranteed money. To me, that's baffling. It's the opposite of what most athlete's do. And I think that's because he's content already in life. I don't think he cares whether he gets 12mm per or 8mm per because regardless it's going to be MILLLIONS.

That's a guy I don't want on my team.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#303 » by sully00 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:06 pm

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Yeah but Green is not really getting fired. To me it's more like “Yeah we are going move you to a different department, you may not like where you’re going but its only for 3 or 4 months and you will be getting your full salary. If you like it there you can stay for another year and keep getting paid. If you don’t you can leave and there are several departments that will be interested in you.”


It would be relocate not another dept and how would your job performance likely be while you waited to be relocated?


I'm not missing the point at all, you missed it from the start. The point should be: Why is Jeff Green dogging it in a contract year? Or why has he been dogging it since Rondo was traded?

If you or I get fired, we don't get paid. But if I'm worth a damn as a sales person I probably have some stock-option benefit in my agreement so I benefit from said sale of company. Stock options are my benefit, securing a long term, high-dollar contract is Green's.

Green is playing his way out of more guaranteed money. To me, that's baffling. It's the opposite of what most athlete's do. And I think that's because he's content already in life. I don't think he cares whether he gets 12mm per or 8mm per because regardless it's going to be MILLLIONS.

That's a guy I don't want on my team.


It isn't the opposite of what athletes do it happens all the time. It happened with Ray Allen, it happened with Rondo, now it is happening with Green and Bass. Green was playing for a contract and doing a great job of it. then Ainge pulled the plug. This isn't simply because he traded Rondo it is that once he did trade Rondo he made it clear Green was next.

Look at Evan Turner he did exactly what you are talking about balled all season then get relocated to a contender it didn't go well and the fact that he had a monster year in PHI meant nothing all anyone cared about was how it worked out in IND. Jeff Green's contract future is going to be where he finishes this season not where it started and he knows that likely isn't going to be Boston anymore. I am not saying he shouldn't still be giving an effort out there but I don't think how he plays between now and when he is dealt is going to define his season. His play changed once he knew he was waiting to be traded it is a distraction.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#304 » by rickrolled » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:07 pm

Some people will be in for a rude awakening when/if we acquire Prince for Green, yout think Stevens will use him off the bench or have him start ahead of Young , Crowder ??

You Think this move would open up minutes for Young and Crowder ? Ha!

It has to be a 3 team trade, just move him to a 3rd team and spare us the nagging from the sillie nannies on this board.
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Post#305 » by Edug27 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:14 pm

rickrolled wrote:Some people will be in for a rude awakening when/if we acquire Prince for Green, yout think Stevens will use him off the bench or have him start ahead of Young , Crowder ??

You Think this move would open up minutes for Young and Crowder ? Ha!

It has to be a 3 team trade, just move him to a 3rd team and spare us the nagging from the sillie nannies on this board.


All depends on the reasons you believe Stevens plays veterans over the young players. Some believe its protocol if you plan on moving a veteran, then you play them until you do. Players like Gerald Wallace can not be moved, so he's riding the bench. T.Prince will be an expiring after the deadline, so we'd expect him to be in the 'won't move' category with Wallace and ride that bench.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#306 » by rickrolled » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:19 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqvhgnt

Memphis sends us future 1st, plus our 2nd from the Lee trade
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Post#307 » by irie » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:24 pm

rickrolled wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqvhgnt

Memphis sends us future 1st, plus our 2nd from the Lee trade

That puts both the Raptors and the Grizzlies over the tax line, so they'll both say no.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#308 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:25 pm

rickrolled wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqvhgnt

Memphis sends us future 1st, plus our 2nd from the Lee trade


Would Toronto Value Prince more than Fields? maybe they think they need a Veteran Presence to help in the playoffs.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#309 » by sully00 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:26 pm

rickrolled wrote:Some people will be in for a rude awakening when/if we acquire Prince for Green, yout think Stevens will use him off the bench or have him start ahead of Young , Crowder ??

You Think this move would open up minutes for Young and Crowder ? Ha!

It has to be a 3 team trade, just move him to a 3rd team and spare us the nagging from the sillie nannies on this board.


Prince would get waived your acting like Gerald Wallace is playing 30 mpg.
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Post#310 » by jfs1000d » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:34 pm

don't get Prince for Green. We could just cut Green then. We should either get a draft pick or a young guy. 2 second round picks and Tayshaum Prince for Green? I don't know. Do we really need those picks?
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Post#311 » by Shamrock » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:49 pm

Supposedly nothing between Grizz and Heat.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/553273379545821184[/tweet]
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Post#312 » by SMTBSI » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:55 pm

Man, last time there was a wisp of smoke, on the Rondo situation, it seemed like the whole thing conflagrated within 24 hours.

I really hope the same happens here. It's just time. Get Green to a winning situation, get something modest back for him and free up minutes for the yoots.

It'll settle everyone's minds - the fans, Ainge, Stevens, Green.
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Post#313 » by bbd24 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 8:58 pm

jfs1000d wrote:don't get Prince for Green. We could just cut Green then. We should either get a draft pick or a young guy. 2 second round picks and Tayshaum Prince for Green? I don't know. Do we really need those picks?


How do you make the money work without Prince ?
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Post#314 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:05 pm

I like Green, Turner and Pressey for Koufos, Adams and Prince....would also like the Cs to get some sort of draft considerations. If I am Memphis I try to get Deng first though....
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Post#315 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:07 pm

jfs1000d wrote:don't get Prince for Green. We could just cut Green then. We should either get a draft pick or a young guy. 2 second round picks and Tayshaum Prince for Green? I don't know. Do we really need those picks?


Green has a player option for next year so you can't simply waive or cut him without it handicapping us a bit. He's not Josh Smith levels of annoyance. He actually seems like a pretty decent dude.

Trading for Prince, who is an expiring I believe, will allow us to just waive the salary for the year and not have to worry about anything next year. Prince seems like a good dude too, but having Green ride the bench in the prime of his career just because we want to start a youth movement seems like bad mojo for if we ever want to attract a FA..like ever, haha. Sitting Prince isn't as big a deal. Plus, I actually do get the feeling that Ainge and Stevens really like Green. He just isn't a good fit anymore unfortunately.
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Re: Rumor:Celtics Are Actively Looking to Trade Both Jeff Green & Bass. 

Post#316 » by GregB » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:10 pm

Shamrock wrote:Supposedly nothing between Grizz and Heat.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/553273379545821184[/tweet]


I would imagine Memphis leaked the info to ESPN. They are probably trying to use Deng to try and leverage Ainge into lowering his asking price.
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Post#317 » by klemen4 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:23 pm

For tank sake, make trade as soon as possible...if Rondo was traded for crap...one first rounder should be enough for Green, take and finish this.
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Post#318 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:31 pm

Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.
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Post#319 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:32 pm

Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.
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Post#320 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jan 8, 2015 9:32 pm

Deng is 29...one of the top 6 or 7 SFs in the league... makes slightly more than Green and also has a player option next year. If Memphis can get him thats great for them, but I can't see Miami being willing to part with him at this point. Bosh is locked up long term, Wade with a player option, McRoberts back next year...I would guess they would want to try and give it a run next year with those guys. I don't think Danny is at all desperate to make a move... there are a few other teams out there that could use Green.
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