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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#301 » by 31to6 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:32 am

Kalela wrote:Why did he look super athletic in his highlight videos? :crazy: When I see him play for the Celtics - the few minutes he played so far - he looks like he can't even get off the ground. Almost as bad as Kanter. Then again highlight videos made Zizic look like a decent athlete.


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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#302 » by Bleeding Green » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:39 am

He's 7 foot, stout, long arms, has played 29 NBA minutes spread across a month. I thought he was going to be a rotation piece immediately, but I think I'll give him at least a full season before saying he sucks. You can certainly do a lot worse than having a young-ish center on a cheap deal as your 5th big off the bench.
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Re: Vincent Poirier ● Boston Celtics & G League ● 2019/20 Best Plays & Highlights 

Post#304 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat May 23, 2020 12:11 am

Short video.

It would be shorter yet if the very ordinary plays were left out.
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Post#305 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat May 23, 2020 6:00 pm

It hasn't even been a full season for Vincent. He has skills though. He can actually shoot the ball. He has nice mechanics on his shot. Seems to have a good motor. Athletic guy. He sees the floor a bit too. Certainly a prereq for any big in a Boston uniform. The biggest issue for right now seems to be between the ears. You can still see the gears moving up there, especially on defense. That's usually the toughest adjustments for international bigs. And...he's been available. At 26 he's entering his prime and just about finished developing. You can project a little easier what you're going to get with a player like him. And I get the feeling Brad values dependability over potential at the Big spot.

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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#306 » by Parliament10 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:18 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:It hasn't even been a full season for Vincent. He has skills though. He can actually shoot the ball. He has nice mechanics on his shot. Seems to have a good motor. Athletic guy. He sees the floor a bit too. Certainly a prereq for any big in a Boston uniform. The biggest issue for right now seems to be between the ears. You can still see the gears moving up there, especially on defense. That's usually the toughest adjustments for international bigs. And...he's been available. At 26 he's entering his prime and just about finished developing. You can project a little easier what you're going to get with a player like him. And I get the feeling Brad values dependability over potential at the Big spot.

If you had to choose between Vinny SexPants and TimeLord for next season, who would you choose and why?

Poirier looked pretty good in the G-League = He can shoot away from the basket, and shoot the 3.
I'd definitely give him another year.

I'd choose Robert Williams over Poirier, though. Williams is our 3rd Center, as of now.
Poirier is our 5th Center, for the time being.
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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#307 » by 24istheLAW » Sat May 23, 2020 11:28 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:It hasn't even been a full season for Vincent. He has skills though. He can actually shoot the ball. He has nice mechanics on his shot. Seems to have a good motor. Athletic guy. He sees the floor a bit too. Certainly a prereq for any big in a Boston uniform. The biggest issue for right now seems to be between the ears. You can still see the gears moving up there, especially on defense. That's usually the toughest adjustments for international bigs. And...he's been available. At 26 he's entering his prime and just about finished developing. You can project a little easier what you're going to get with a player like him. And I get the feeling Brad values dependability over potential at the Big spot.

If you had to choose between Vinny SexPants and TimeLord for next season, who would you choose and why?


Robert Williams, and it's not even close.

Rob's injury problems are serious, and might mess up his career, but if he gets through that, he's an NBA player. And you can squint and see a modern starting C - switchable enough to stay on the floor at the end of games, which is a rare quality in centers.

I don't think Vincent Poirier is an NBA player. I don't like his lateral mobility at all, and BBIQ-wise he's dumb as paint. You could do worse with the 14th/15th spot on a roster, but I don't have any expectations.
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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#308 » by bucknersrevenge » Sun May 24, 2020 2:24 am

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bucknersrevenge wrote:It hasn't even been a full season for Vincent. He has skills though. He can actually shoot the ball. He has nice mechanics on his shot. Seems to have a good motor. Athletic guy. He sees the floor a bit too. Certainly a prereq for any big in a Boston uniform. The biggest issue for right now seems to be between the ears. You can still see the gears moving up there, especially on defense. That's usually the toughest adjustments for international bigs. And...he's been available. At 26 he's entering his prime and just about finished developing. You can project a little easier what you're going to get with a player like him. And I get the feeling Brad values dependability over potential at the Big spot.

If you had to choose between Vinny SexPants and TimeLord for next season, who would you choose and why?


Robert Williams, and it's not even close.

Rob's injury problems are serious, and might mess up his career, but if he gets through that, he's an NBA player. And you can squint and see a modern starting C - switchable enough to stay on the floor at the end of games, which is a rare quality in centers.

I don't think Vincent Poirier is an NBA player. I don't like his lateral mobility at all, and BBIQ-wise he's dumb as paint. You could do worse with the 14th/15th spot on a roster, but I don't have any expectations.


Appreciate your opinion. I'm not sure where I stand anymore. I see the potential in Williams as you do but it's about to be put up or shut up time soon. Fair or unfair There will be options available in the FA market that could be better than him; better than both in fact.
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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#309 » by 31to6 » Sun May 24, 2020 2:45 am

Feel like this guy grew up rocking out to Shaq’s “Shoot, Pass, Slam” video.

When I watch these highlights it’s like I’m watching a young Vincent Poirier out there.
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Post#310 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun May 24, 2020 2:51 am

I've never noticed any special talent in Poirier. His size, speed, jumping and ball-catching reflexes are all fine for the standards he's supposed to meet ... and that's very impressive, since NBA standards are the highest of their kind in the world. But I've never noticed anything beyond that.
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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#311 » by 24istheLAW » Sun May 24, 2020 11:32 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
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bucknersrevenge wrote:It hasn't even been a full season for Vincent. He has skills though. He can actually shoot the ball. He has nice mechanics on his shot. Seems to have a good motor. Athletic guy. He sees the floor a bit too. Certainly a prereq for any big in a Boston uniform. The biggest issue for right now seems to be between the ears. You can still see the gears moving up there, especially on defense. That's usually the toughest adjustments for international bigs. And...he's been available. At 26 he's entering his prime and just about finished developing. You can project a little easier what you're going to get with a player like him. And I get the feeling Brad values dependability over potential at the Big spot.

If you had to choose between Vinny SexPants and TimeLord for next season, who would you choose and why?


Robert Williams, and it's not even close.

Rob's injury problems are serious, and might mess up his career, but if he gets through that, he's an NBA player. And you can squint and see a modern starting C - switchable enough to stay on the floor at the end of games, which is a rare quality in centers.

I don't think Vincent Poirier is an NBA player. I don't like his lateral mobility at all, and BBIQ-wise he's dumb as paint. You could do worse with the 14th/15th spot on a roster, but I don't have any expectations.


Appreciate your opinion. I'm not sure where I stand anymore. I see the potential in Williams as you do but it's about to be put up or shut up time soon. Fair or unfair There will be options available in the FA market that could be better than him; better than both in fact.


I agree about it being put-up-or-shut-up time for Rob, and it'd take blind homerism to just expect he's going to deliver. I just Poirier is a real Hail Mary.

His shot appears reliable for a big. But he's not going to be on the floor to shoot. He has to set big screens, move without the ball to make himself available, help on defense. I just don't see him ever doing that stuff well enough. And even though he's large, his rebounding isn't noteworthy either. Not something that you see players just suddenly improve at.
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Re: Welcome to Boston Vincent Poirier! 

Post#312 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon May 25, 2020 5:39 pm

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Robert Williams, and it's not even close.

Rob's injury problems are serious, and might mess up his career, but if he gets through that, he's an NBA player. And you can squint and see a modern starting C - switchable enough to stay on the floor at the end of games, which is a rare quality in centers.

I don't think Vincent Poirier is an NBA player. I don't like his lateral mobility at all, and BBIQ-wise he's dumb as paint. You could do worse with the 14th/15th spot on a roster, but I don't have any expectations.


Appreciate your opinion. I'm not sure where I stand anymore. I see the potential in Williams as you do but it's about to be put up or shut up time soon. Fair or unfair There will be options available in the FA market that could be better than him; better than both in fact.


I agree about it being put-up-or-shut-up time for Rob, and it'd take blind homerism to just expect he's going to deliver. I just Poirier is a real Hail Mary.

His shot appears reliable for a big. But he's not going to be on the floor to shoot. He has to set big screens, move without the ball to make himself available, help on defense. I just don't see him ever doing that stuff well enough. And even though he's large, his rebounding isn't noteworthy either. Not something that you see players just suddenly improve at.


All of this is totally fair. I will say that rebounding prowess has never appeared to be a huge factor in what Brad considers in his bigs (Zeller, Amir Johnson, Olynyk, Horford, Bass, Favorani, etc.) Obviously many of us understandably look for traditional abilities in the bigs we posters consider for our team. We know Brad doesn't care for the specialist. Or else Drummond would be here. Whether his bigs shoot or a lot or not, it's also clear that he values the ability to shoot pretty significantly. For most of the year, I've been ready to write Poirier off but I'm not so sure anymore.
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