Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[Wes-J]

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Wow I'm stunned he's (Oden) actually playing basketball but good for him.

I've run into him a few times at the local Best Buy and he walks with a limp.

[Captain_Caveman]

To be fair, I'll still victory lap on that lol. One of the better contracts in the league now.

To be fair, there were a lot of posters that hated on Smart and anyone defending him for several years like it was their religion that clowned themselves, before trying to claim victory by saying they knew it all along, had he only shot the ball less.

LMAOOOOOO.

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

[Captain_Caveman]

To be fair, I'll still victory lap on that lol. One of the better contracts in the league now.

To be fair, there were a lot of posters that hated on Smart and anyone defending him for several years like it was their religion that clowned themselves, before trying to claim victory by saying they knew it all along, had he only shot the ball less.

LMAOOOOOO.

I love Smart, now. Every good team needs a guy like him. But before doing victory laps or saying “I told ya so”, you have to accept that he is......a role player. A great role player for this team, for sure. He gets paid less than Kelly Olynyk who will opt out after this year to get more. He tested the market and he had to take the deal he got. As I said many times, Rozier would get paid more because he has shown flashes of being a guy who can be a lead guard and a reliable scorer (fool’s gold? maybe) as a starter. I think most of us are happier we ended up with Smart at 12 mil than Rozier at 19 mil....I am for sure.

My issue with Smart as an early naysayer, which isn’t his fault, is that we tanked a season and used a #6 pick to draft him. In my lifetime, top 10 picks usually yielded guys like Bird, McHale, Len Bias, Antoine Walker, Chauncey Billups, Paul Pierce, Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown with Ron Mercer being the one who wasn’t any good. To get a Bruce Bowen or Patrick Beverly type is no disgrace but not what you hope for with that high of a pick. You can commonly get that level of starter with picks 14-25.

I always accepted what Smart was.

Keep in mind that I am the same guy who wanted to tank a little harder so that we might have gotten a guy like Embiid instead, which you adamantly did not want to do. I believe we covered this pretty extensively in many threads over multiple years.

I neverthless supported Smart from Day One, which you did not. Believe this was also covered pretty extensively in many threads over multiple years.

And now you are telling me why you were right, and I am wrong?

If you are looking for a reason some of us are rubbing other people's faces in it, start right here, lol.

[Bleeding Green]

To be fair, there were a lot of posters that hated on Smart and anyone defending him for several years like it was their religion that clowned themselves, before trying to claim victory by saying they knew it all along, had he only shot the ball less.

LMAOOOOOO.

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

Stats always showed Marcus Smart to be a positive player despite his being the least efficient volume shooter in the NBA. He 100 pct changed his shot profile and shooting accuracy this past season and was significantly more valuable than he had ever been before as a result. He made a massive leap in this regard, one you don't typically make. Players don't go from 46-49 TS% for 4 years and then suddenly to 57 TS% in one season. That's a massive improvement and to disregard it is just insane.

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Wow I'm stunned he's (Oden) actually playing basketball but good for him.

I've run into him a few times at the local Best Buy and he walks with a limp.

Where do you and he live?

[Fencer reregistered]

To be fair, there were a lot of posters that hated on Smart and anyone defending him for several years like it was their religion that clowned themselves, before trying to claim victory by saying they knew it all along, had he only shot the ball less.

LMAOOOOOO.

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

So your claim is that he contributed more to winning the previous year, presumably not in the area of shooting/scoring, and probably not in passing as well? So what DID he do better or more effectively two seasons ago that didn't work as well last season, in your opinion?

[Captain_Caveman]

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

Stats always showed Marcus Smart to be a positive player despite his being the least efficient volume shooter in the NBA. He 100 pct changed his shot profile and shooting accuracy this past season and was significantly more valuable than he had ever been before as a result. He made a massive leap in this regard, one you don't typically make. Players don't go from 46-49 TS% for 4 years and then suddenly to 57 TS% in one season. That's a massive improvement and to disregard it is just insane.

You are focusing too much on stats. I would offer right off the bat that doing so is a whiff on Marcus on a fundamental level. Further, back-to-back ECF appearances, and you go with the year after that where we **** the bed, based on a largely inconsequential improvement in scoring efficiency that amounted to maybe an extra 0.2 points a game? Smart was a huge factor in a couple of dozen wins a year the two previous seasons, routinely picking us up off the map and sparking big comebacks with his hustle and grit in both the regular season and the playoffs.

And again, also ignoring how he had to carry weak bench units and try to do too much on largely undermanned teams. Most guys are going to look better and more efficient as the 4th option on a talented starting unit than they do as the 1st or 2nd option on untalented bench units.

[Bleeding Green]

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

So your claim is that he contributed more to winning the previous year, presumably not in the area of shooting/scoring, and probably not in passing as well? So what DID he do better or more effectively two seasons ago that didn't work as well last season, in your opinion?

No my point is that he was better last year than any year previous because he overhauled his shot profile and improved the accuracy on the shots he did take. I never said anything about his being better previously. He was really good, then he improved his shooting, now he's great.

[canman1971]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254932/Celtics-Stomped-Their-Feet-About-Tampering-On-Al-Horford

This is such a BS article and one of the biggest problems in our society with reporting, not just sports. Headline says one thing basing it on Windbag, yet, a more respected reporter refutes it, but the D-Bag comment gets the headline. Come on RealGM, be better than this. And the basis of the idiotic article is Windbag saying, "from what I am told"? WTF does that mean? My son, who is 6, today told me we should have a house on the ocean because the scenery is really nice (which I agree). However, I wouldn't use him as "from what I'm told". And the whole "stomping" their feet BS? Pretty confident in saying Ainge, nor anyone in the Celtics organization or the world for that matter stomped their feet. WTF is wrong with people?

[Fencer reregistered]

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

So your claim is that he contributed more to winning the previous year, presumably not in the area of shooting/scoring, and probably not in passing as well? So what DID he do better or more effectively two seasons ago that didn't work as well last season, in your opinion?

No my point is that he was better last year than any year previous because he overhauled his shot profile and improved the accuracy on the shots he did take. I never said anything about his being better previously. He was really good, then he improved his shooting, now he's great.

That's YOUR point. But I was addressing Cave, who seems to disagree with you.

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That little dog can handle a ball pretty well.
Good D too.

[djFan71]

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That little dog can handle a ball pretty well.
Good D too.

Everything Danny loves in a guard: Short. Slightly loose handle. Literal dog.
I'm guessing he gets a partial guarantee contract for camp.

[Parliament10]

Spoiler:

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That little dog can handle a ball pretty well.
Good D too.

Everything Danny loves in a guard: Short. Slightly loose handle. Literal dog.
I'm guessing he gets a partial guarantee contract for camp.

I'll bet he does get a Camp Invite!

[zoyathedestroya]

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[brackdan70]

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This is such a BS article and one of the biggest problems in our society with reporting, not just sports. Headline says one thing basing it on Windbag, yet, a more respected reporter refutes it, but the D-Bag comment gets the headline. Come on RealGM, be better than this. And the basis of the idiotic article is Windbag saying, "from what I am told"? WTF does that mean? My son, who is 6, today told me we should have a house on the ocean because the scenery is really nice (which I agree). However, I wouldn't use him as "from what I'm told". And the whole "stomping" their feet BS? Pretty confident in saying Ainge, nor anyone in the Celtics organization or the world for that matter stomped their feet. WTF is wrong with people?

Agree with you but the link you shared takes me to amazon.com

[celticgreenie]

“I don’t know if you heard this, but the Celtics were, from what I am told, one of the teams that kind of stomped their feet about what they felt was tampering,” Windhorst told co-hosts Jackie MacMullan and Tim MacMahon. “Not with Kyrie, although that looked like it was lined up pretty far in advance, but with Horford.

“What happened with Horford, again from what I’m told, really upset the Celtics. They were thinking they were going to be able to negotiate with him. Talk to him about a new contract and all of a sudden it was like he already knew what his market was and he was out of there.”

[zoyathedestroya]

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This is such a BS article and one of the biggest problems in our society with reporting, not just sports. Headline says one thing basing it on Windbag, yet, a more respected reporter refutes it, but the D-Bag comment gets the headline. Come on RealGM, be better than this. And the basis of the idiotic article is Windbag saying, "from what I am told"? WTF does that mean? My son, who is 6, today told me we should have a house on the ocean because the scenery is really nice (which I agree). However, I wouldn't use him as "from what I'm told". And the whole "stomping" their feet BS? Pretty confident in saying Ainge, nor anyone in the Celtics organization or the world for that matter stomped their feet. WTF is wrong with people?

Agree with you but the link you shared takes me to amazon.com

Added to shopping cart. The seahorses were especially cute.

[Captain_Caveman]

Well, he completely changed his shot profile and 3pt shooting percentages this year. So I think 95% of people who had an issue with Smart, it was because he took too many awful shots and also he couldn't shoot from 3. He changed both this year. He took 61% of his shots from three this year (up from 48.3% the year prior) AND improved his 3pt shooting from 30.1% (TERRIBLE, **** ME I WANT TO DIE IT'S SO BAD, OH MY GOD MY EYES ARE BURNING FROM ALL THE TERRIBLE BRICKS) to 36.4% (HMM, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, KEEP IT UP, MARCUS).

If you predicted that he would both improve his shot selection and go from the worst volume 3pt shooter in NBA history to an above average 3 pt shooter (in one season), congrats. Otherwise, take a nap on the victory lap.

On the day he signed his contract he had taken 1093 3P shots at a 29.3% clip. Then he immediately shot 346 @ 36.4%. He went from bottom 10 all-time to 38th in the NBA (as in, 37 player took more 3s at a higher percentage last season).

LMAOOOOOO.

Yeah, nah.

Smart undeniably made a much stronger contribution to many more wins the previous season, despite playing hurt, and despite carrying a sorry scoring-deficient bench on a very young team that made it to a game away from the Finals despite missing two All-Stars.

The whole idea of his making some major leap as a player this year comes from stat-biased people who whiffed hard on the guy for multiple years in a row simply because they didn't know how to process a player's contribution outside of box scores.

For the ones who hated on him hard, as many did? Well, they don't have to own it, but it will own them whether they like it or not.

So your claim is that he contributed more to winning the previous year, presumably not in the area of shooting/scoring, and probably not in passing as well? So what DID he do better or more effectively two seasons ago that didn't work as well last season, in your opinion?

I think he was good both years, and the year before that as well. He played more "within himself" this year, mostly because we didn't need him to help replace all the scoring and playmaking that we were missing with Hayward and Kyrie out the previous season. So great, better shot selection, and better shooting, with a healthier thumb.

But yes, he made a bigger contribution the year before. He was massive in helping to key all those big comebacks that we had, and was the heart and soul of an overachieving team in a lot of ways. I don't hold this year against him, but he had less impact on this season for sure.

[Darth Celtic]

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This is such a BS article and one of the biggest problems in our society with reporting, not just sports. Headline says one thing basing it on Windbag, yet, a more respected reporter refutes it, but the D-Bag comment gets the headline. Come on RealGM, be better than this. And the basis of the idiotic article is Windbag saying, "from what I am told"? WTF does that mean? My son, who is 6, today told me we should have a house on the ocean because the scenery is really nice (which I agree). However, I wouldn't use him as "from what I'm told". And the whole "stomping" their feet BS? Pretty confident in saying Ainge, nor anyone in the Celtics organization or the world for that matter stomped their feet. WTF is wrong with people?

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This is such a BS article and one of the biggest problems in our society